Dozens killed hundreds injured in Indian terrorist attacks Americans & Brits being hunted tonight

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I am fairly certain that the PREVIOUS attacks in India, and Mumbai, have been carried out as results of the ongoing tension between India and Pakistan mainly over the Kashmire reagion. What makes you think that this has anything to do with Bush?

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I already told the company that I work for that I will go to India to train people IF I'M ARMED.

They asked why armed?

THAT'S WHY.

At least here, in the US, I can carry a concealed weapon in 90% of the places I go, LEGALLY.

(Which is also why I'm not scared of a terrorist, I can hit one at 500 yards with EASE!!!!!)

I believe in peace, but there are always some assholes out there that prey on people like me. So I say we shoot them all in the face. Fuck 'em. Anyone see the picture of that little boy that got shot? Man that REALLY pissed me off.

Indians are really good people, too. Sucks that they have to get caught in the middle of all of this crap Bush started.

What makes you think Bush was behind the attacks?

He was captured on CCTV

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Wow.. now I understand why so many people in Texas are full of so much bliss..

Its not just Texas, its society as a whole. Remember that thing I posted a while back that talked about Sheep, Sheepdogs and Wolves? Remember how I was lambasted by certain people saying that it was simplistic, etc? The more you pay attention, the more you know its pretty danged true across the board. I'm sure you know the kind of people on all sides that I'm talking about.

Now, if I could purchase some magical weapon that is easily concealable that is accurate out to 500yrds, that would be money well spent. Hell, I have a very nice 1911 that exceptionally accurate, but even then at 50yrds its "ok."

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Funny that, I know a guy not to far away who has such a weapon

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I am fairly certain that the PREVIOUS attacks in India, and Mumbai, have been carried out as results of the ongoing tension between India and Pakistan mainly over the Kashmire reagion. What makes you think that this has anything to do with Bush?

I also think it's kind of stupid to just blame Bush for this but we don't know what the real motivation for these attacks is yet. Pakistan has been making some peaceful overtures to India since the new civilian government took over. It's possible these recent acts were an attempt to drive a wedge between the countries.

However, a lot of things here are not typical of other Pakistani attacks. For example, the fact that the terrorists targeted hotels and were said to be looking especially for Americans and British to take hostage. That seems to point to a wider issue.

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I am fairly certain that the PREVIOUS attacks in India, and Mumbai, have been carried out as results of the ongoing tension between India and Pakistan mainly over the Kashmire reagion. What makes you think that this has anything to do with Bush?

Quite likely the main reason --

however, there was a quite compelling case made by a US/Indian terror exert on the news through the night.

He said that in fact the election of Obama is a significant factor ... Why?

The moderate/civilized muslim was critical and turned-off by the US foreign policy of the past years. They would not condone of help the extremist terror attacks -- they have their own families to raise, businesses to run, schools to go to, etc.

However, when it comes to going the extra mile (or sometime couple of steps) to openly condemn attacks, crack down on extremist groups, and pull any cover they may have many backed off. There was not much motivation to back US interests to begin with and, with opinion of US foreign policy being so low, it is even dangerous to be seen as siding with US policy.

International expectations of the changes from Bush to Obama in terms of foreign policy are tremendous -- probably more than many people in the US realize right now.

These expectation by themselves (even before Obama lifts a finger) ould be enough for large portions of the moderate muslim world to see a more proactive stance against extremists in their own interest (and without the repercussions as being seen as an enabler of an "imperialistic power").

Terrorist group start to realize that there may be major shift in the general muslim population on the horizon so that they would no longer have grudging tolerance and/or feet-dragging of muslim people and governments that they could count on in the past.

The expert's analysis was that such attacks are attempts of these terror groups to fight this trend and get tear open cultural and religious confrontations again -- or simply a stance against being totally pushed out of and rejected by the muslim mainstream.

If that is true we should see more of such attacks in the world in the coming year ...

Cheers, T

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It is likely to have been a Islamist terrorist group. By the reports of the terrorists asking who were American and Brits plus an attack on a Jewish establishment in Mumbai it would seem that their focus is global more than national. However such aims rarely occur in a vacuum and so there is every possibility that a secondary aim would be to try and distance the recent co-operation between Pakistan and India and engender a violent reflex response from hot heads on the Hindu side as well. So far thankfully it seems that that has not happened.

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International expectations of the changes from Bush to Obama in terms of foreign policy are tremendous -- probably more than many people in the US realize right now.

These expectation by themselves (even before Obama lifts a finger) ould be enough for large portions of the moderate muslim world to see a more proactive stance against extremists in their own interest (and without the repercussions as being seen as an enabler of an "imperialistic power").

Terrorist group start to realize that there may be major shift in the general muslim population on the horizon so that they would no longer have grudging tolerance and/or feet-dragging of muslim people and governments that they could count on in the past.

The expert's analysis was that such attacks are attempts of these terror groups to fight this trend and get tear open cultural and religious confrontations again -- or simply a stance against being totally pushed out of and rejected by the muslim mainstream.

I think you've put your finger on it. There's definitely a pattern here:

Moderate Muslims warming to U.S. - extremists have to attack.
Moderate Pakistani Muslims warming to India - extremists have to attack.

It's up to us to resist lumping all Muslims in with the extremists, which would be just what the extremists want to happen.

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and all that seems very logical...

Many people dont understand what an influence the policies of the US really have on the world. These policies have not been popular with really anyone and the change at the head is so warmly welcomed it is amazing. The parties that I saw, people dancing in the streets was nice to see. Hopefully Obama lives up to the hype.

One of the terrorists gave in interview that was broadcast on the web. Some Indian nationals that I work with were translating the Urdu for me. He decried how Muslims have been persecuted in that country. How they are pushed aside. Then he brought up how they are losing their heritage as Western influence continues to grow. Then complained about Kashmire. The take of the people translating for me was this was a lost kd, brainwashed into doing this. They were all in agreement.

It is a shame that the Taj hotel is on fire. It is a majestic building and one of the defining landmarks of the city. And as I am typing this there is still gunfire going on. It isnt over according to the news here. 125 dead as of now. Amazing.

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All of my 500 yard+ goodies are not so concealable.. but I certainly can conceal it and me from the "wrong" people from that distance.

You just need a better class of sheep Mr Sheepdog

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There are places where ignorance is seen for what it is and avoided.

Sure and some places you have sheep that have only two speeds: graze and stampede!

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The Brits were in India for 400 years.

Last year, I worked with in a 20x20 room with 6 Indians and a Pakistani guy. They all seemed to blame Britain for stripping the country of its wealth.

I got the "India was perfect until the British..." speech.
(Kind of hard to say since they were there for so long.)
Maybe this is just backlash for British colonialism.

Other reasons-
- The growth of industries has displaced a lot of agricultural workers.
- The Muslim community has not been fond of the strengthening of relations with the West. They view it as a cultural attack. Great Satan, etc.

This may have nothing to do with the US.

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At least here, in the US, I can carry a concealed weapon in 90% of the places I go, LEGALLY.

(Which is also why I'm not scared of a terrorist, I can hit one at 500 yards with EASE!!!!!)

With a concealable weapon?

He has a break-down NEF single-shot in .300 WinMag!

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The Brits were in India for 400 years.

Last year, I worked with in a 20x20 room with 6 Indians and a Pakistani guy. They all seemed to blame Britain for stripping the country of its wealth.

I got the "India was perfect until the British..." speech.
(Kind of hard to say since they were there for so long.)
Maybe this is just backlash for British colonialism.

Other reasons-
- The growth of industries has displaced a lot of agricultural workers.
- The Muslim community has not been fond of the strengthening of relations with the West. They view it as a cultural attack. Great Satan, etc.

This may have nothing to do with the US.

Yea, appeantly they were looking for Americans to kill because they were once English too

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There is now only one tem I can think of to describe what is going on in Mumbai and that is Cluster Fuck. Poor bloody hostages don't stand a chance.

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Its not just Texas, its society as a whole. Remember that thing I posted a while back that talked about Sheep, Sheepdogs and Wolves?

Yep. It's indicative of everything that is fucked up with the attitude of law enforcement. The prime purpose of a sheepdog is not to protect the sheep, but to control them.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Its not just Texas, its society as a whole. Remember that thing I posted a while back that talked about Sheep, Sheepdogs and Wolves?

Yep. It's indicative of everything that is fucked up with the attitude of law enforcement. The prime purpose of a sheepdog is not to protect the sheep, but to control them.

That depends upon the breed of dog. Some are herding breeds, some are guarding breeds. Some do both.

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That depends upon the breed of dog. Some are herding breeds, some are guarding breeds. Some do both.

And here is a good video of that dog protecting the herd.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2bDek9QmY

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I hadn't watched cartoons in years! Thanks for posting!

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Because as a result of his presidency, the point is even well-stated by the higher-ups in Miltary Command:

"We're making them faster than we can KILL them".

His watch, as it were.

I didn't say "behind", but it is, after all, under his "watchful eye", as Sarah Palin likes to say.

Commander-in-chief, until, wait, he's not responsible for that..........

Bush is a twat and responsible for the death of countless innocents but you can't drop this one on him.

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CNN is reporting that the terrorists arrived in boats launched by a Pakistani vessel--a commercial ship, not a government one.

What do you think happens now? Anyone concerned about a potential war between two nuclear armed powers?

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CNN is reporting that the terrorists arrived in boats launched by a Pakistani vessel--a commercial ship, not a government one.

What do you think happens now? Anyone concerned about a potential war between two nuclear armed powers?

Not really. I think Singh's comments hinting at blame to Pakistan were largely for domestic consumption.

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That would be an incredibly quick escalation of hostilities; going from where they are to another outright war. Not that lesser items haven’t caused the same thing, but with the efforts by both sides to come to some sort of peaceful coexistence there would need to be proof beyond doubt that this was a government sponsored act.

I just don’t see it, cooler heads should prevail.

I understand the last two terrorists at the Taj were killed today with a death toll over 130.

Regardless of what group actually did it, they were well organized, coordinated and armed to the teeth. I imagine this probably isn’t a swan song but more of an opening act.

I now wonder what happens to the Western companies that have relocated or opened us hubs in the area (Google, Ebay, etc) as this was/is such an emerging market. Another attack of this magnitude and if I were a CEO I would be having serious doubts as to do business in a safe/secure manner.

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CNN is reporting that the terrorists arrived in boats launched by a Pakistani vessel--a commercial ship, not a government one.

What do you think happens now? Anyone concerned about a potential war between two nuclear armed powers?

I doubt it, there are also reports saying that these men were in the country a month before the attack. Their are rumours (unsupported so far) that they may have been of British origin also. The head of Pakistans ISI is on his way to India to help in the investigation and there have been demmos inside Pakistan denouncing the Terrorists. Pakistan and India have never been so cordial in their relationship as they are at the moment and Pakistan is fighting its own war against Islamist millitants in the north of the country and has suffered recent large terrorist attacks (Mainly ignored in the west) in recent months.

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Ten men hitting seven targets at the same time??? Two of which being those massive hotels? Plus hits on the top anti terrorist officials, keeping at bay the Indian special forces for three nights....Ten men????

Whoever they were bloody well trained. I'd be supprised if there really was only ten of them, a day ago the Indian Gov were saying that they had captured nine and killed four...Now all of a sudden they are saying that there were only ten nine are now dead and one captured and injured. My guess that some are either on the loose or on their way to a black prison somewhere unmentionable (or both).

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