JohnRich 4 #76 November 26, 2008 QuoteI have a true Christian belief background: Thall shall not kill. It's how I was raised and it's what I still hold true. Innocent or guilty, doesn't matter. So you won't raise a weapon or a hand to defend yourself and fight back if someone is trying to kill you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #77 November 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteI have a true Christian belief background: Thall shall not kill. It's how I was raised and it's what I still hold true. Innocent or guilty, doesn't matter. So you won't raise a weapon or a hand to defend yourself and fight back if someone is trying to kill you? I'm nearly 36 and live in one of the largest cities in the world. Haven't had the need to do so yet, don't ever see how I would need to. It's nice not living in a state of fear. BTW, did you like my JohnRich style of not answering your question? I think this is how I may start responding to all of your questions from now on. It could be fun for me._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #78 November 26, 2008 >when a repub does it it's a bad thing, but when a Dem does it, it doesn't matter. To a liberal, when a republican lies about it, it's a bad thing. When a democrat admits it, it's not as bad (but is still a bad thing.) To a conservative, when a republican lies about it, it never happened. When a democrat admits it, he is crucified. >Can you see how we get confused trying to figure out just where >you liberals actually stand on an issue? I can easily see why you get confused. You believe everything conservatives say, and the cognitive dissonance you experience when they lie can be confusing indeed. You expect democrats to lie, so when they tell the truth you experience a similar (although lesser) dissonance. And since politicians both tell the truth and lie, confusion can reign. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #79 November 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe building does not make your faith. Then why did he make such a big deal during the campaign about going to church regularly for 20 years? The media did. He didn't. Obama was forced to respond to the conservative nation making a non-point into an issue. Just like this thread. He issued press releases to the media about his religious faith and his church attendance. The media printed what Obamer gave them. That's not the media inventing something out of thin air. He issues press releases about his entire life because the media demanded to know who he was. You know, that line that McCain tossed around for so long? It shows stability and where his ethical/moral compass points. It's people like you using this as a strawman to claim he is either telling a lie or is some other faith. See how that works?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #80 November 26, 2008 >He issued press releases to the media about his religious faith and his >church attendance. Cool! Then post one of those widely-available press releases where Obama said he goes to church every single Sunday, and you have proven your point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #81 November 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteI have a true Christian belief background: Thall shall not kill. It's how I was raised and it's what I still hold true. Innocent or guilty, doesn't matter. So you won't raise a weapon or a hand to defend yourself and fight back if someone is trying to kill you? That's not the same thing and you know it. Self defense can be achieved without killing.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #82 November 26, 2008 QuoteThat's not the media inventing something out of thin air. Good point. The "media" didn't make up anything about Obama's Muslim beliefs, his terrorist leanings, his abandonment of his own flesh and blood, his Marxism. We just made all that stuff up here on dropzone.com. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #83 November 26, 2008 Quote>He issued press releases to the media about his religious faith and his >church attendance. Cool! Then post one of those widely-available press releases where Obama said he goes to church every single Sunday, and you have proven your point. This is pretty much the essence behind this whole thread. I've asked for the same thing 3 times already and of course nobody can offer it.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #84 November 26, 2008 >and of course nobody can offer it. WHAT? Conservatives are lying about something to smear Obama? I am shocked that such a thing could happen! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #85 November 26, 2008 Quote You're getting mixed up again. That was Bill Clinton that used that line. And I thought that the liberal position was that Clinton's pot-smoking wasn't important. So what you're saying really matters is that Bush didn't admit it, and that's wrong. So I guess then that Clinton was wrong too when he lied about his usage by claiming he "didn't inhale". No, I'm not confused. I know who said it and I brought it up because I knew it was going to come up eventually. I never respected Clinton and still don't because of that line. My thoughts on that topic end there. Bush went far beyond that with lies and cover ups which makes me despise him. See, you made an assumption on that and you make an assumption that liberals are like the conservative base. We don't hold strong to someone out of vanity and pride. We don't agree with everything party representatives do nor do we lie/apologize/spin for their actions. The actual party members do that whereas the constituents demand more from them. Don't make assumptions, you know what happens._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #86 November 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteThat's not the media inventing something out of thin air. Good point. The "media" didn't make up anything about Obama's Muslim beliefs, his terrorist leanings, his abandonment of his own flesh and blood, his Marxism. We just made all that stuff up here on dropzone.com. You know how us liberals love making up catch phrases like "terrorist fist jab."_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #87 November 26, 2008 Quote >and of course nobody can offer it. WHAT? Conservatives are lying about something to smear Obama? I am shocked that such a thing could happen! Careful Bill, your sarcasm is starting to get too obvious. They might catch on. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #88 November 26, 2008 So are they devout or hypocritical? Where does that leave Barry? Is there a set number of times you can run widdershins 'round the point without ever touching it?You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #89 November 26, 2008 Quote So are they devout or hypocritical? Where does that leave Barry? Is there a set number of times you can run widdershins 'round the point without ever touching it? Does it matter?? Perhaps if less people kept their religion to themselves we would have far less unneeded laws.. less unneeded wars etc,,, How and what I believe is between me and whatever entity with whatever name I choose to use for them. How you worship.. and how you take your sacraments from the sacred mason jar.. are completely up to you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #90 November 26, 2008 Quote Quote Quote You sure can getem riled up John Well, it's so easy. All you gotta do is bring a white collar criminal to justice, save an innocent man on death row, pray in public to Allah pray to anything/anyone but white, blue-eyed, blonde Jesus , or choose not to carry a gun for lawful self defense, and the conservatives go all sorts of ballistic! For the other stupid stereotype. Fixed it for ya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #91 November 26, 2008 And I respect you for standing on your beliefs. Should I lose respect for Obama for not living up to his stated beliefs? It really doesn't matter to me if he's a devout Christian. It matters to me if he will lie about being a devout Christian in order to be electable. If he's willing to sell out his most basic beliefs in what other areas can he not be trusted?You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #92 November 26, 2008 Yeah, but Allah really cheeses them off. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #93 November 26, 2008 This cartoon could have been drawn by JohnRich: http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/11/25/tomo/ Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #94 November 26, 2008 QuoteAnd I respect you for standing on your beliefs. Should I lose respect for Obama for not living up to his stated beliefs? It really doesn't matter to me if he's a devout Christian. It matters to me if he will lie about being a devout Christian in order to be electable. If he's willing to sell out his most basic beliefs in what other areas can he not be trusted? SO most of you conservative values voters based on what George II told you seem to be judging with a completely different set of rules... ( no big surprise there now is that). I remember his sitting in the National Cathederal for some post election prayer thing. The choir and congregation was lifting up their voices to the Lord... and the camera was on George and Dick sitting there talking and laughing.... that does not lead me to believe in how devout a christian George tends to be based on his claims of being a born again evangelical christian. Personally I would think he and Dick should be lifting up their voices in praise of the Lord as well at that time and that place. To see them do otherwise would lead me to believe that perhaps they are not so devout after all. Also based on values.. do you really believe that war mongering... war profiteering... lying.,,,, breaking a few of those basic" guidelines" in the Bible called the 10 Commandments.. are good christian values of our born again President in the last 7.8 years???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #95 November 26, 2008 QuoteHowever, what's the worst than can happen if we the people fear an economic depression? We save our money, stop living on credit, and in general take better notice of our own financial planning? The absence of these things is what led to this mess in the first place... Agree 100%. I guess it's just the semantics that get under my skin. A depression, most of us have lived through a few of them, and they haven't really been that bad. But calling it the next Great Depression conjures up mental images of families standing in food lines, going hungry, crowds of people fighting over one job, etc. Really, very few people alive today remember what it was like, and all we have to remember are the worst of the media images. But thinking about those images make people very afraid - more than just an ordinary depression.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #96 November 26, 2008 QuoteShould I lose respect for Obama for not living up to his stated beliefs? Where has he stated a belief regarding gym/church attendance on Sunday mornings? QuoteIf he's willing to sell out his most basic beliefs in what other areas can he not be trusted? Which basic belief did he sell out? Please tell me both what the belief was and how he sold it out.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #97 November 26, 2008 I'm not ignoring your post-in short. I voted based on MY values-and I'm probably less conservative than you thinkBut-Damn!! Did you go to the Kallend school of question avoidance? Does Obama's post election disregard for worship clash with this statement. "I am a Christian. I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life." He declared: "I have been a member of the same church for almost twenty years, ." And yes, if you are truely devout, organized worship services are mandated unles providentially hindered. You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #98 November 26, 2008 Look upYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #99 November 26, 2008 QuoteAnd I respect you for standing on your beliefs. Should I lose respect for Obama for not living up to his stated beliefs? It really doesn't matter to me if he's a devout Christian. It matters to me if he will lie about being a devout Christian in order to be electable. If he's willing to sell out his most basic beliefs in what other areas can he not be trusted? How is he not living up to his stated beliefs? The man seems a bit busy these days. Something has to give. Is that all that hard to imagine without jumping to the conclusion that he is doing anything else than prioritizing?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #100 November 26, 2008 Quote And yes, if you are truely devout, organized worship services are mandated unles providentially hindered. I disagree. And, more specifically, would add that a person who really thinks that strict attendance of "organized worship services" is a critical component to their faith, perhaps really doesn't understand faith at all. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
