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I think that's what many people are worried about. It annoyed me to hear Obama talk yesterday in broad terms like (us, we, our, this) whereas Hillary made it all about her (me, I, mine, my). She did the same thing on the campaign trail and I'm surprised more people haven't gone after her about this.

There are a few random comments that Bill Clinton may be interested in the vacant Senate seat.

This is an easy problem to solve for Hillary.
In Obamas voting record, he followed the party line 98% of the time. (That is probably true for most legislators. You support the process that elects you).

All Hillary has to do is to mold the consensus of party goals. Obama will follow it accordingly.
(My wife used to navigate while I drove.)

Bill Clinton makes too much money now. Why would he bother?

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For the most part Bill is done with the Foundation until Hillary is out of the White House. It will be severely limited due to lack of foreign donations and the Obama staff has to approve his schedule first. He also has to step down from day to day operations. Why wouldn't he take the seat if it was offered to him?

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[JohnRich 4]

During the campaign process to determine who the Democratic nominee would be for President, Obama told us repeatedly how Hillary was unqualified to make decisions about foreign affairs, because she had no experience.

And now, Obama has appointed her as Secretary of State, to be in charge of foreign affairs! And if she wasn't the best person for the job, he shouldn't have given it to her.

Seems a bit contradictory, eh?

So there are two possibilities here:

1) Hillary really is the best person for the job, and Obama was just lying previously to get elected, or;

2) Obama really believes she's unqualified, but put Hillary in the job anyway for political reasons.

Therefore, the question arises:
Is Obama a lier, or intentionally hiring incompetents? It's got to be one or the other. Take your pick. Which is it?

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During the campaign process to determine who the Democratic nominee would be for President, Obama told us repeatedly how Hillary was unqualified to make decisions about foreign affairs, because she had no experience.

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In 2000, McCain told us repeatedly how unsuitable Bush would be, and Bush tried his hardest to link McCain to an illegitimate child.

GHW Bush called Reagan's policies "Voodoo Economics" but then agreed to serve as Reagan's VP.

You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

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Therefore, the question arises:
Is Obama a lier, or intentionally hiring incompetents? It's got to be one or the other. Take your pick. Which is it?

I tend to believe the answer is somewhere else and not in between these two negative extremes that are put out there only to achieve your agenda. But you see what you want to see I guess.

As I've pointed out above, I don't know exactly what the answer is or how good she will be. I will be watching closely to find out.

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In 2000, McCain told us repeatedly how unsuitable Bush would be, and Bush tried his hardest to link McCain to an illegitimate child.

GHW Bush called Reagan's policies "Voodoo Economics" but then agreed to serve as Reagan's VP.

You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

And yet, no mention of Obama or Hillary...

What do Bush and McCain bashing each other have to do with anything? Bush didn't appoint McCain to anything.

Again, what does H.W. not agreeing with Reagan's economics have to do with it? If Reagan bashed H.W.'s economic policies, then appointed him to treasury secretary, you'd have an argument.

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[kallend 2,150]

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In 2000, McCain told us repeatedly how unsuitable Bush would be, and Bush tried his hardest to link McCain to an illegitimate child.

GHW Bush called Reagan's policies "Voodoo Economics" but then agreed to serve as Reagan's VP.

You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

And yet, no mention of Obama or Hillary... .

Didn't need to, JR already did that.

It's fair comment to point out his (JR's) double standard.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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What do Bush and McCain bashing each other have to do with anything? Bush didn't appoint McCain to anything.

Again, what does H.W. not agreeing with Reagan's economics have to do with it? If Reagan bashed H.W.'s economic policies, then appointed him to treasury secretary, you'd have an argument.

HW Bush continued Reagan's economic policies. McCain stated he would do the same, even though he opposed them before the election.

The obvious point is that what people say inside and outside elections varies substantially.

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What do Bush and McCain bashing each other have to do with anything? Bush didn't appoint McCain to anything.

Again, what does H.W. not agreeing with Reagan's economics have to do with it? If Reagan bashed H.W.'s economic policies, then appointed him to treasury secretary, you'd have an argument.

HW Bush continued Reagan's economic policies. McCain stated he would do the same, even though he opposed them before the election.

The obvious point is that what people say inside and outside elections varies substantially.

I'm sure bill will be along any second to point out the BDIF.

The obvious point is that Obama bashed her for lack of foreign policy experience and then appointed her secretary of state. Keep trying to justify that, though. It's mildly entertaining.

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You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

Wow. 3/4's of Obama's elected experience was spent campaigning. How can you defend voting for him if everything he said had nothing to do with reality?

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You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

Wow. 3/4's of Obama's elected experience was spent campaigning. How can you defend voting for him if everything he said had nothing to do with reality?

Apparently a majority of the voting public thought he was more in touch with reality than McBush. And I agree with them.

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You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

Wow. 3/4's of Obama's elected experience was spent campaigning. How can you defend voting for him if everything he said had nothing to do with reality?

Apparently a majority of the voting public thought he was more in touch with reality than McBush. And I agree with them.

How could anyone possibly know that if everything they said was different than reality?

Your excuse for Obama's backtracking is that what he said on the trail is different than reality. My question is, how did you know what you were voting for?

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You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

Wow. 3/4's of Obama's elected experience was spent campaigning. How can you defend voting for him if everything he said had nothing to do with reality?

Apparently a majority of the voting public thought he was more in touch with reality than McBush. And I agree with them.

How could anyone possibly know that if everything they said was different than reality?

Your excuse for Obama's backtracking is that what he said on the trail is different than reality. My question is, how did you know what you were voting for?

How does anyone?

Did you believe Bush when he said he would fix Social Security as a top priority? Did you believe Bush when he said "nation building - absolutely NOT"? Did you believe Bush about anything at all? (If so, he sure fooled you more than once, as they say in Tennessee, or was it Texas?).

Believing campaign rhetoric should be grounds for committal to a mental institution.

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You are being silly if you think campaigning has much to do with reality.

Wow. 3/4's of Obama's elected experience was spent campaigning. How can you defend voting for him if everything he said had nothing to do with reality?

Apparently a majority of the voting public thought he was more in touch with reality than McBush. And I agree with them.

How could anyone possibly know that if everything they said was different than reality?

Your excuse for Obama's backtracking is that what he said on the trail is different than reality. My question is, how did you know what you were voting for?

How does anyone?

Did you believe Bush when he said he would fix Social Security as a top priority? Did you believe Bush when he said "nation building - absolutely NOT"? Did you believe Bush about anything at all? (If so, he sure fooled you).

Believing campaign rhetoric should be grounds for committal to a mental institution.

My question stands. All Obama ever did was campaign. No voting record. No history of leadership. Nothing. If your statement is true, and you sure seem to believe it is, then why Obama?

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[Andy9o8 2]

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All Obama ever did was campaign. No voting record. No history of leadership. Nothing.

You know, this isn't 2006, when not too many voters knew very much about Obama yet. But in the past several months, the electorate did a pretty good job of educating themselves on Obama's personal, academic and professional resume. In view of that, your FoxNews-style bashing of his background might still resonate with Joe the Plumber (who got his 15 minutes of fame by publicly showing the nation what an idiot he is), but to most everyone else, it's just laughable. Sorry, dude, but the pendulum has swung back, and a lowbrow level of debate just doesn't win the day any more.

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Sorry, dude, but the pendulum has swung back, and a lowbrow level of debate just doesn't win the day any more.

So we're NOT going to keep seeing the "It's all Bush's fault" threads anymore, then?

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Sorry, dude, but the pendulum has swung back, and a lowbrow level of debate just doesn't win the day any more.

So we're NOT going to keep seeing the "It's all Bush's fault" threads anymore, then?

Hey, did you know Clinton got a blowjob? I swear to God.

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All Obama ever did was campaign. No voting record. No history of leadership. Nothing.

You know, this isn't 2006, when not too many voters knew very much about Obama yet. But in the past several months, the electorate did a pretty good job of educating themselves on Obama's personal, academic and professional resume.

According to Kallend, not me, believing anything someone says on the campaign trail qualifies for mental disability. Therefore, we still know nothing about him.

Obviously you disagree with that like I do. I personally think promises made on the campaign trail should hold some weight. That's a big reason why we vote for them. I also know things change over 4 or 8 years and some promises are no longer reasonable. Being President-elect for less than a month and already doing things like appointing Hillary makes me a little weary of his true views vs. what he said pre-election.

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[kelpdiver 2]

He could sneeze and you'd be here posting about how the Devil has taken over his body.

Nothing he does is going to please you. Might as well just SDSTFU, or it's going to be a really really long 3 year stretch for you.

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>So we're NOT going to keep seeing the "It's all Bush's fault" threads anymore, then?

Nope! Heck, I suspect we will even see staunch conservatives switch from "Clinton did it first" to just plain "it's Obama's fault." We even have a thread right here blaming Obama for things he hasn't even done yet.


And while it will get tiring after a while, it will be a welcome change.

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>So we're NOT going to keep seeing the "It's all Bush's fault" threads anymore, then?

Nope! Heck, I suspect we will even see staunch conservatives switch from "Clinton did it first" to just plain "it's Obama's fault." We even have a thread right here blaming Obama for things he hasn't even done yet.


And while it will get tiring after a while, it will be a welcome change.

To be fair when attributing quotes, no one has accused Clinton of doing anything. That was the problem.

So, we've moved from the Clinton who did nothing, and we wished he would have, to the Clinton that we are afraid is going to do something.

The one saving grace in this situation is Obama.
He will probably pull the reins in, after a few escapades.

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He could sneeze and you'd be here posting about how the Devil has taken over his body.

Nothing he does is going to please you. Might as well just SDSTFU, or it's going to be a really really long 3 year stretch for you.

I like that Rumsfeld is staying on.

Don't get upset. There's still plenty of religion bashing, Bush trashing, gun rights slamming, conservative hating on this forum.

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I like that Rumsfeld is staying on.

WHAT???

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I like that Rumsfeld is staying on.

WHAT???

hahah started boozin too early.

Gates stays. Good.



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I like that Rumsfeld is staying on.

I do miss Rumsfeld as SecDef ... honestly ... if only for his quips and way of interacting with the press corps. The guy I was dating a couple years ago (a hardcore Republican Navy Commander) gave me one of the best birthday gifts *ever*: a talking Donald Rumsfeld doll.

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Don't get upset. There's still plenty of religion bashing, Bush trashing, gun rights slamming, conservative hating on this forum.

Some of us liberals still love ya!
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