Andy9o8 2 #101 November 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteUmmm, can we get back to the original issue? As I understand it, it is "Does our Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion extend to include a freedom from religion? Many religious people think it does not. I've never heard of the FFRF before, but I like what they're saying. The separation of church and state is a result of the freedom from religion. Other results are the banning of Christmas trees, which personally I think is going too far, as for many of us, the Christmas tree has absolutely nothing to do with Christ. We don't have to reject all rituals derived from religion. It's just a tree. The Christmas tree has everything to do with the Christmas season, which ultimately goes back to...well, you know. Anyhow, I'll tell you what's going too far. These commercial jingles that go "Get an oil change and a lube job" to the opening bar of "Deck the halls with boughs of holly"; a "sleigh bells" backing track in a commercial for cement mix, etc., etc. How very Christ-like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #102 November 26, 2008 QuoteRon, when you come into a thread for the sole purpose to posts about your opinion of someone else's supposed hypocrisy and double standards, perhaps you should look into a mirror when it comes to the subject of personal attacks. All I did was ask a question that highlighted your double standards. You get upset at any limit on the 1st, yet demand more limits on the 2nd. Not my fault you got upset. I think pointing out how upset you are on restrictions on this Amendment, yet your wishing more restrictions on another Amendment is a valid point to be brought up. And...You, not I, started the personal attack BS. I attacked your *position* you made a lame attack on *me*. QuoteI see shades of grey. You appear to want a black and white world. I fail to see how you can bemoan a limit on one Amendment...Yet almost demand more limits on one you do not care about. QuoteStay ON TOPIC. I am ON TOPIC...You just don't like how it makes you feel. I said I was against the billboard being taken down...But that I found it funny that people like you are up in arms about this, yet willing to ignore another Amendment. Totally ON TOPIC."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #103 November 26, 2008 Quote The Christmas tree has everything to do with the Christmas season, which ultimately goes back to...well, you know. I was raised by hippie, church hating atheists, but we still had a christmas tree. And colored eggs at Easter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #104 November 26, 2008 QuoteThe Christmas tree has everything to do with the Christmas season, which ultimately goes back to...well, you know. Pagans. A "Christmas tree" has nothing whatsoever to do with, Christ. It IS all about a Pagan celebration of the winter solstice. What day did you think Jesus was born? December 25th? Heh. That's ridiculous and not supported by any "fact" anywhere. It's not even in the Bible.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #105 November 29, 2008 I saw the first anti-religion billboard here in Denver today. It said something like this: "Don't believe in God? You're not alone." I don't recall the sponser name - I'll make more of a note of it next time I pass it. Oh yeah, I saw a billboard advertising SkyVenture Colorado, too Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crwtom 0 #106 November 29, 2008 QuoteI saw the first anti-religion billboard here in Denver today. It said something like this: "Don't believe in God? You're not alone." To me that would be an atheist billboard -- I cannot really see anything "anti-religious" in there. Cheers, T ******************************************************************* Fear causes hesitation, and hesitation will cause your worst fears to come true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #107 November 29, 2008 QuoteI saw the first anti-religion billboard here in Denver today. It said something like this: "Don't believe in God? You're not alone." I find it interesting that you describe it as "anti-religion." There are religions that do not require a "god" of any sort whatsoever, one of which makes up about 6% of the total population of the planet; Buddhism.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #108 November 29, 2008 QuoteIt is neither a religion in the sense in which that word is commonly understood, for it is not "a system of faith and worship owing any allegiance to a supernatural being." Quoted from here (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #109 November 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteIt is neither a religion in the sense in which that word is commonly understood, for it is not "a system of faith and worship owing any allegiance to a supernatural being." Certainly is defined as a religion by most and if filling out forms that ask which religion one belongs to would be a legitamate answer.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #110 November 29, 2008 QuoteTo me that would be an atheist billboard -- I cannot really see anything "anti-religious" in there. I guess that's true. I have difficulty understanding the intention. Churches are in business. They want your business, they make money from your business. I can understand why a church would advertise (billboard or otherwise). What is the purpose of an atheist billboard? How does an atheist organization make money, anyway? Is it all in the merchandising? I think at least part of what they are selling is anti-religion - but how do they market it?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #111 November 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt is neither a religion in the sense in which that word is commonly understood, for it is not "a system of faith and worship owing any allegiance to a supernatural being." Certainly is defined as a religion by most and if filling out forms that ask which religion one belongs to would be a legitamate answer. None of the practicing Buddhists i know (and i know quite a lot) identify with Buddhism as a religionYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #112 November 30, 2008 QuoteWhat is the purpose of an atheist billboard? Generally, it is not so much to "denounce" religion per se, as it is to promote a society in which atheism is considered socially acceptable, and the non-religious do not feel the need to conceal their athesim to avoid being ostracized. QuoteHow does an atheist organization make money, anyway? Is it all in the merchandising? Yeah, you know - bake sales, t-shirts and the like. Seriously? I imagine they do it the old-fashioned way: they seek donations from like-minded people. QuoteI think at least part of what they are selling is anti-religion - but how do they market it? Wrong. See above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingJ 0 #113 November 30, 2008 QuoteGenerally, it is not so much to "denounce" religion per se, as it is to promote a society in which atheism is considered socially acceptable, and the non-religious do not feel the need to conceal their athesim to avoid being ostracized. Ding ding ding! A campaign for awareness, not recruitment.Killing threads since 2004. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #114 November 30, 2008 QuoteQuoteGenerally, it is not so much to "denounce" religion per se, as it is to promote a society in which atheism is considered socially acceptable, and the non-religious do not feel the need to conceal their athesim to avoid being ostracized. Ding ding ding! A campaign for awareness, not recruitment. That's right! Now, gay billboards - those are recruitment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #115 November 30, 2008 QuoteNone of the practicing Buddhists i know (and i know quite a lot) identify with Buddhism as a religion Well, in the US, they certainly do enjoy the same tax status. So, according to the US government, they are.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #116 November 30, 2008 and the government is never wrong (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #117 December 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteIt is neither a religion in the sense in which that word is commonly understood, for it is not "a system of faith and worship owing any allegiance to a supernatural being." Quoted from here I know that just because it's in the dictionary doesn't make it true, however the dictionary uses Buddism in reference to naming it as a religion. Perhaps Websters needs to bone up on what a particular sect calls itself? Definition of Religion "2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion." ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #118 December 1, 2008 Quote "2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion." ltdiver Democracy? Human Rights? Animal rights? Just another word in our language that has been skewed from it origin?You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
