Andrewwhyte 1 #26 November 20, 2008 QuoteI dont understand why these Somali assholes can't just be blown out of the water by an F-18. I think if enough got fucked up they would cool it. It seems since Somalia is going extreme Islam ( they just stoned a 13 year old girl to death) That the profits from Piracy mite come back to hurt us, so we have every right to fuck them up, Actually the Indian Navy did just that yesterday. The reason brute force doesn't work is because like most criminals they hide in and amongst innocent people; They do not parade about on vessels displaying the skull and crossbones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #27 November 20, 2008 Quote They do not parade about on vessels displaying the skull and crossbones. That's not fair! How do we know they are pirates, then? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #28 November 20, 2008 Quote Quote I dont understand why these Somali assholes can't just be blown out of the water by an F-18. I think if enough got fucked up they would cool it. Because then everyone would rant and rave about how evil America is for picking on third-world countries and getting involved in foreign affairs that are none of our business. I say let the pirates do what they want. And if the rest of the world wants to do something about, let them step up to the plate and be the bad guy. It's time for them to learn what a world without a super-cop is going to be like. Congratulations, you're finally coming around!Dealing with these pirates WOULD be our responsibility if it was one of our ships that was threatened. As it is, the pirates can be dealt with by whichever country owns the ship that's being threatenned. Just as India did this week. I'm not even sure if we have any of our Navy in the area. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #29 November 20, 2008 Or the shipping companies could hire their own security. A little something for those Blackwater types to do after Obama kicks them out of Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 November 20, 2008 QuoteOr the shipping companies could hire their own security. A little something for those Blackwater types to do after Obama kicks them out of Iraq. So, you'd pay the Blackmailer or pay the security firm.... um doesn't seem too much different in some respects....... Either way somebody bets paid for your fear. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #31 November 20, 2008 Except with the security forces the pirates could eventually stop targeting due to losses and no money.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #32 November 20, 2008 I see your point Dave ... but find the concept interesting on one level. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #33 November 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteOr the shipping companies could hire their own security. A little something for those Blackwater types to do after Obama kicks them out of Iraq. So, you'd pay the Blackmailer or pay the security firm.... um doesn't seem too much different in some respects....... Either way somebody bets paid for your fear. If the Indian navy blows up enough pirate mother ships, it will reduce the number of pirates. During the previous time that pirates were a problem, soldiers were landed and the parties were addressed personally. Unfortunately, the UN has a losing reputation in Somalia at this point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #34 November 20, 2008 They need to blow a lot up. I was listening to an Security "Expert" on the tellie the other day and his takes was that the land problems in that region would need to be fully solved before the pirate issue..... I don't know, it's just his take. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #35 November 20, 2008 I'd think that once the ransoms become intolerable (aren't we there already?) the shipping companies would simply hire some private security badasses (real life Steven Seagal types) and blow these idiots out of the water. A few million dollars should be able to buy a handful of mercenaries and some weaponry easily capable of doing the job. Especially since they would not have to wait around indefinitley for an "incident." Bait the motherfuckers like a rabid rodent. Provide them a nice juicy target, let them make their move, then kill them. Seems easy enough; especially since they are out in international waters. Not like the mercenaries would be invading a country or anything - just killing renegade scum on the high seas. Who would complain?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #36 November 20, 2008 If'n it was that easy - would have been done alreadyNot even Steven Seagul could sort this shower of shit out .... but Chuck..... different story. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #37 November 20, 2008 QuoteThey need to blow a lot up. I was listening to an Security "Expert" on the tellie the other day and his takes was that the land problems in that region would need to be fully solved before the pirate issue..... I don't know, it's just his take. Solution: Send in the Navy Seals or special forces to mine the entire Somali coast, and declare it off-limits to shipping. Therefore, the only boats going in and out will be pirate ships. Mine it enough, they'll go boom boom boom."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #38 November 20, 2008 News:Somali pirates transform villages into boomtowns Somalia's increasingly brazen pirates are building sprawling stone houses, cruising in luxury cars, marrying beautiful women — even hiring caterers to prepare Western-style food for their hostages. And in an impoverished country where every public institution has crumbled, they have become heroes in the steamy coastal dens they operate from because they are the only real business in town. "The pirates depend on us, and we benefit from them," said Sahra Sheik Dahir, a shop owner in Harardhere, the nearest village to where a hijacked Saudi Arabian supertanker carrying $100 million in crude was anchored Wednesday. These boomtowns are all the more shocking in light of Somalia's violence and poverty: Radical Islamists control most of the country's south, meting out lashings and stonings for accused criminals. There has been no effective central government in nearly 20 years, plunging this arid African country into chaos. Life expectancy is just 46 years; a quarter of children die before they reach 5. But in northern coastal towns like Harardhere, Eyl and Bossaso, the pirate economy is thriving thanks to the money pouring in from pirate ransoms that have reached $30 million this year alone...Source: AP Piracy is good for business! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #39 November 20, 2008 "An ill wind that blowth no man to good." You cant blame the villagers for catering to those with the money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #40 November 20, 2008 QuoteThey need to blow a lot up. I was listening to an Security "Expert" on the tellie the other day and his takes was that the land problems in that region would need to be fully solved before the pirate issue..... I don't know, it's just his take. At one point, the UN was trying to stabilize the area, but that was abandoned. Somalia has been a quagmire since then. It is typical of contested areas. During a conflict there is money and resources for the opposing sides. Then, when one side withdraws, the opposing force has a reduced budget. The economies which relied on the conflict decay. The infrastructure decays and a period of barbarism rules. When the criminal enterprises are the only business, the govt quasi-supports them. There isn't much of a govt in Somalia, but I'll bet that the local officials are getting are getting rich on this too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #41 November 20, 2008 Quote Quote Or the shipping companies could hire their own security. A little something for those Blackwater types to do after Obama kicks them out of Iraq. So, you'd pay the Blackmailer or pay the security firm.... um doesn't seem too much different in some respects....... Either way somebody bets paid for your fear. That is what we do within national borders. We pay for the authorities to provide police. If that is insufficient we hire private security, or buy insurance and they hire private security. In the international arena there is no authority so we can form an international authority (one world government here we come) or hire private security. After all why should an unemployed auto-worker in Detroit pay taxes to protect Saudi oil? They can provide there own security and include the price in their cost function. This will have the effect of justifying higher costs (wages) for domestic oil (or Alberta oil ) or for alternative energy sources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #42 November 20, 2008 Quote If'n it was that easy - would have been done alreadyNot even Steven Seagul could sort this shower of shit out .... but Chuck..... different story. Shropshire, that is NOT a seagull! That's an American super-cop saving the world ! And he's called Steven Seagal... and as such, he'd be the right one to sort out that shit and the other one just happening in the Gulf of Aden. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #43 November 20, 2008 (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #44 November 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteI dont understand why these Somali assholes can't just be blown out of the water by an F-18. I think if enough got fucked up they would cool it. Because then everyone would rant and rave about how evil America is for picking on third-world countries and getting involved in foreign affairs that are none of our business. I say let the pirates do what they want. And if the rest of the world wants to do something about, let them step up to the plate and be the bad guy. It's time for them to learn what a world without a super-cop is going to be like. I think you got the wrong nation, INDIA is the super cop.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #45 November 20, 2008 Quote .... I think you got the wrong nation, INDIA is the super cop. Yep. Closely followed by us (not: US!), the little buggers just defeating 2 attacks over there - yeah, we're growing up, man ! dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSBIRD 1 #46 November 20, 2008 It seems a logical solution to the modern pirate problem has been lost in history...recent history. During early WW2 when solo cargo ships were being picked off by the German submarine Wolf Packs, the Allies began to run ships in large convoys...with protection on the edges. If the modern shipping companies would join forces and run their ships in convoys with one fast attack boat hiding on the far side, any pirate vessel who approached a convoy ship could be quickly turned around, repelled and/or destroyed. BASE359"Now I've settled down, in a quiet little town, and forgot about everything" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #47 November 20, 2008 It's weird that the pirates are getting so successful today. Back in the 1700s pirates actually had a very short life expectancy, once they became pirates. Generally they didn't last very long before somone killed or captured them. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #48 November 21, 2008 Quote Quote .... I think you got the wrong nation, INDIA is the super cop. Yep. Closely followed by us (not: US!), the little buggers just defeating 2 attacks over there - yeah, we're growing up, man ! Super Cop on the job news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7741287.stm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #49 November 21, 2008 QuoteI think you got the wrong nation, INDIA is the super cop. So you're okay with India being the super-cop against pirates, but not America? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #50 November 21, 2008 If American ships are being attacked, I am in favor of America going after the pirates. If Indian ships are attacked, I am in favor of India going after the pirates. Why do we need to have a "super-cop" anyway? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
