Bush authorized Pentagon to strike Al-Qaeda in any country

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Meth labs operate in Mexico, which, I guess is a FORM of terrorism, but look what happens whe n a bunch of meth heads try to do ANYTHING.

The Mexicans hate anything that's NOT Catholic, so we'll let the Mexicans handle those idiots abroad. Mexicans don't hate us, hell, they all try to COME here!

All of the 9-11 terrorists came in through Canada. Build the frikkin' wall THERE. (Wrong BORDER, assholes! )

There are a lot of bad people out there. We should know, we created them over the last 8 years.....

"Get these balls!"

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"during the trial for the 1993 bombing, the prosecutors mocked the bombers as incompetent idiots. Did we get our comeuppance in the 2nd attack? Wouldn't be the first time in history, full of many examples of victories by the smaller party.

Or are you part of the Bush did it conspiracy nuts?"

Um, you have not read the FACTS of the matter.

You've been watching WAAAAAAAAAAY too much Fox News.

And I don't argue with people that can't approach me with facts, it's useless. Go read something.

I don't care if it's an Archie Comic. You could then possibly approach me with an enlightened attitude.

"Get these balls!"

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Paul, this isn't just one group and really isn't just about one person. Its about an entire coalition of groups with a single goal: to control the entire world with radical Islam. There are, as we speak right now, terrorist cells operating with in the US boarders that are preparing their strikes. There are right now terrorist cells training in northern Mexico.

This is a dire situation. Too many people think that if we simply leave Iraq or Afghanistan that the problem will go away. Those are singular wars to the people we're fighting. They're simply battle fronts in a global war.

Oh, I think I understand the situation, but going into countries with large forces without their permission is not going to help much to help out relations with them. The reasons for going in would have to be justifiable to the world community and not just ourselves. Otherwise we really are just invading the world.

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going into countries with large forces without their permission is not going to help much to help out relations with them.

I agree. We have to consider world opinion; however, we can't be tied to the slaughter table due to world opinion either. Its a fine line.

How many countries has the US invaded in force after the directive was signed?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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And, murder is murder, period. Self defense is one thing, I WHOLLY COMPLY with aggression in that form.

Pre-emptive strike??????

MURDER. I could say that my ex-wife was planning to kill me, and kill HER first, but that would STILL be murder.

Call it what you want, we need to get the F*** out of Iraq.

I'm sick of seeing my brothers getting blown up for a government that WON'T EVEN HELP THEM RECOVER from wounds they proudly, PROUDLY recieved, in a war that was COMPLETLEY unjustified to begin with.

I have a new name for this fiasco!!!

DESERT NAM.

Blame the intelligence reports, blame Bush, blame GOD and ALLAH BOTH for all I give a shit... These are AMERICAN SONS AND DAUGHTERS over there, dying, for what??? It's simple bullshit, and must stop. Would you send your kid over there? Then wrap their dead body up in a flag and say "Oh, wait, they died for their country...."?

The country will STILL BE HERE, your kid? Maybe not. It's a shame that which WE value as a country, it REALLY is. Most of you would rather have died, or have a dead child, than peace on earth. And most of you call yourselves "Christians".... every sodier prays for peace, while preparing for war. Unfortunately, politicians start a war, (becuase it greases the wheels of the economy) and asks you, the American Citizen, to pray for peace.......

WOW. What a fucked-up world we live in.

"Get these balls!"

[AggieDave 6]

It almost sounds like Jo has a new username. I'm surprised that it wasn't mentioned that Duane may have had a hand in the 1993 bombings.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Did I miss something????

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And I don't argue with people that can't approach me with facts, it's useless. Go read something.

You're the one making the assertion that Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, and failed to produce any facts to support it.

You're right, it's useless to argue with you on it.

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It almost sounds like Jo has a new username. I'm surprised that it wasn't mentioned that Duane may have had a hand in the 1993 bombings.

He did, but the FBI is covering it up. Duane is on a covert mission as we write.


During VN, there was the "secret" bombings of Cambodia.
Operation Menu

I once read (in 1975) that we spent more on bombs to bomb Cambodia than the entire national budget of Cambodia.

We would have been better off to just pay the Cambodians to move. That's what we should do with border terrorist towns.

"We'll give you $600 worth of entirely new goats if you move 300 miles that way."

Then, anyone who was left is obviously doing something bad that requires them to be there and can be bombed indiscriminately.

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It almost sounds like Jo has a new username. I'm surprised that it wasn't mentioned that Duane may have had a hand in the 1993 bombings.

Sentence structure and usage is wrong; not nearly enough bold and underline either.

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[AggieDave 6]

Well if anyone would know, you would! I think the overall message tone is similar, though.

Its literally the first thing that popped into my head when I read this thread. Maybe I'm just tired. Power Point is quite possible the most worthless program ever constructed!

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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Power Point is quite possible the most worthless program ever constructed!

On this I don't think you'll ever find me in disagreement.

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Bush's CNN interview:

"BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?

BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq."

When you start lying, it gets PRETTY difficult to keep your facts straight. Especially to those of us who know how to detect them. I can paste the URL to the interviews in here if you'd like, they're NOT pretty....

Now, produce ONE document that shows Bin Laden orchestrating, NOT PRAISING, there's a diffenerece in a court of law, here, the 9-11 attacks, and we will talk.

Until then, you just have an opinion, and like assholes, we ALL have on of those.

I have PLENTY of material left to embarrass you with, all coming from the Chief loser himself.

If you voted for the guy, admit it, like the sign says:

If You're scared, SAY YOU'RE scared....

But at the VERY least, of whom and WHY. And produce some documentation of both.

Are you paranoid/schizophrenic?

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You're the one making the assertion that Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, and failed to produce any facts to support it.

You're right, it's useless to argue with you on it.

Because there ARE no documents to support it, concerning military intelligence reports, public news reports, secret service intelligence reports, or OTHERWISE. All of this is public information, I just can't believe that the public is so stupid, and that I allow myself to live here.... much less associate with some of you.

That's my point.

Go back to Texas A&M, plow-tech, and farm. Dig dirt. Let the rest of us think, deduce, and analyze.

We're the trained experts here, after all, security analysts, with the tools to handle the job. Most of us trained in psycholoigical operations, as well.

Go hunt deer, or other animals, your type of logic applies to them. But not to humans, which we study here.

"Get these balls!"

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Go hunt deer, your type of logic applies to them.

You used to be Lucky werentcha?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Go back to Texas A&M, plow tech, and farm. Let the rest of us think, deduce, and analyze

History is my area of study, really similar to plow tech and maybe even poultry science in the grand scheme of things I guess, if you want to believe it all that way.

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Go hunt deer, your type of logic applies to them.

As hard as it may be for you to believe, I'm not a hunter. I've only shot one deer in my life and it was about two years ago. It was shot with a Glock 22 using Speer Gold Dot as the round. All in all its really a funny story, someday if we ever meet I'll tell it to you over a couple of beers.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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-I have PLENTY of material left to embarrass you with
-Go back to Texas A&M, plow tech, and farm. Let the rest of us think, deduce, and analyze.
-We're the trained experts here, after all, security analysts, with the tools to handle the job. Most of us trained in psycholoigical operations, as well.
-Go hunt deer, your type of logic applies to them.
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so who are you embarrassing?

your veiled put downs make you sound elitist and silly

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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Beers rule, and I'm a kind of sheepdog as well. I just weigh ALL of the options and evidence, both good AND bad, before I jump to conclusions.

You being a history major:

What happens to EVERY military occupation of a country since the beginning of time?

"Get these balls!"

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Depending on what we're talking about, I can understand it.

If OBL was across a border, we KNEW where he was and how to get him, I would have ZERO issues with a team going in to take him out.

I really don't think most people in the US would give a rats ass and world opinion be damned.

However, if it is some excuse to just go in and bust up stuff, even training facilities . . . that's just not going to fly.

Very well put!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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so who are you embarrassing?

your veiled put downs make you sound elitist and silly

Roy

I can be a bit of an ass. My business requires it. Operational Risk is not an acceptable variable, in my business. We ruin people.

However, PROPER threat assessment is not an operational standard that I will ever forego. All variables must be addressed before action is taken, and all of that, within the confines of the Constitution of the United States, and both and Local laws.

Bush's (Jr's, NOT Sr's) means were immoral, unmitigated, and in most cases, fabricated.

"Get these balls!"

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What happens to EVERY military occupation of a country since the beginning of time?

It worked out well for the Romans until their society started to come undone and they were unable to defend against an invading terrorist group.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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However, if it is some excuse to just go in and bust up stuff, even training facilities . . . that's just not going to fly.

Why not? Assuming, of course, that they're actually terrorist training facilities.

Because of associated civilian casualties. Many terrorist training camps are purposely build next to civilian structures. They realize we generally don't like civilian casualties and if there is plausible deniability it was a training camp, it works against us.

I will admit that this thread and your posts are surprising the hell out of me.

Well done. You have state things here clearly and with little chance for misunderstanding.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Send YOUR people to fight religious wars, recruit directly from CHURCH

You're assuming a lot there, me and church.

I'm repeating information from the JTTF. There have been single instances in the news that if you step back and take a look its kind of scary.

Please, please ignore this one. (poster) There is something that doesnt smell right about these posts...........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AggieDave 6]

Me or the other guy?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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And WHOM was in office when this "terrorist group" attacked?

Call me the Devil's advocate, but Clinton LEFT Mr. Bush with a "clear and concise plan to deal with Al-Qaeda:

"One official who helped to prepare the briefing, which included a PowerPoint presentation, described it as a “10 on a scale of 1 to 10″ that “connected the dots” in earlier intelligence reports to present a stark warning that al-Qaida, which had already killed Americans in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and East Africa, was poised to strike again…"

Condoleeza's response?


"Condoleezza Rice describes her briefing with CIA officials George Tenet and Cofer Black on July 10, 2001 as relatively unremarkable. Here’s how her spokesman Sean McCormack described it yesterday:

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack [said]… the information Rice got “was not new” and didn’t amount to an urgent warning. “Rather, it was a good summary from the threat-reporting from the previous several weeks,” McCormack said in a statement from Saudi Arabia where Rice is traveling.

Earlier in the day, Rice questioned whether the meeting even happened and said that it was “incomprehensible” the meeting included a warning that U.S. interests faced an imminent threat from al-Qaeda. "

And who was President when this happened?????

Who appointed this doofus?

"Get these balls!"

[AggieDave 6]

If you think this problem spans a single president or even the past three administrations then you've missed a big point. This has been a serious problem since about 700 AD.

In terms of the modern era, Muslim "freedom fighters" joined forces with the Germans to fight against the common enemy: Jewish people and those who support them. I believe it was something like two full brigades that were "given" to the Germans.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."