Good news for Christians from the world of science

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The word "true" was used in a sarcastic manner. Sorry if it caused you any confusion.

You're correct that sarcasm is frequently difficult to read over the internet ... perhaps that's a lesson that applies across the board, eh?
What was your intention in your statement then?

VR/Marg

The remark was made to mock those (not just here in the forum) who feel anyone who holds any beliefs outside those that can be tested is a fool.

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ZOOOOOM! Right over your poor little head!

Really, it's cute what you do when you realise you've painted yourself into a corner.

But seriously, an answer to even one of my questions would be appreciated, unless you want to just admit right now that you were talking shite.

Sure. Which one?

For starters: How will science and technology come to govern all choices?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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The word "true" was used in a sarcastic manner. Sorry if it caused you any confusion.

You're correct that sarcasm is frequently difficult to read over the internet ... perhaps that's a lesson that applies across the board, eh?
What was your intention in your statement then?

VR/Marg

The remark was made to mock those (not just here in the forum) who feel anyone who holds any beliefs outside those that can be tested is a fool.

Damn man, that was some seriously fucking obtuse mockery! Hell, even now that you've explained it I still don't get it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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It is the skeptical testing of all beliefs against observable phenomena that gives science its authority over other means of explaining reality.

There is no corresponding discipline for testing hypotheses when it comes to religious belief. That's a fundamental difference.

I'm very well aware of the scientific method, and you might like to note i have not made reference to anyones religion. Other than to say that We as scientist work from a basis of FAITH. Faith that what we believe to be true based on evidence that we gather and tested with principles that we developed. All of these things are said by us to be true or factual because we have FAITH that our methods and reasoning is correct and true.

No argument there. However, there is a distinction between having faith in what is observable and testable by the 5 senses and having faith without similar evidence. You can't live without having a certain amount of faith in what you can directly perceive. But you certainly can live without believing in a book that's thousands of years old or a deity that can not be directly observed.

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ZOOOOOM! Right over your poor little head!

Really, it's cute what you do when you realise you've painted yourself into a corner.

But seriously, an answer to even one of my questions would be appreciated, unless you want to just admit right now that you were talking shite.

Sure. Which one?

For starters: How will science and technology come to govern all choices?

Don't they have "Magic 8-Balls" in your neck of the woods?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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ZOOOOOM! Right over your poor little head!

Really, it's cute what you do when you realise you've painted yourself into a corner.

But seriously, an answer to even one of my questions would be appreciated, unless you want to just admit right now that you were talking shite.

Sure. Which one?

For starters: How will science and technology come to govern all choices?

For starters? You asked me to answer "even one" so that's what I am going to answer...one.
Eons ago when primates first started to walk upright and our ancestors separated from the rest of their kin, virtually all decisions were made via instinct or emotion. Rational thought was just starting to influence what those primates did when confronted with having to make a choice. As time went one and evolution created a smarter, stronger, bigger, and more creative creature those decisions were made with a more and more rational thought process.
Today's humans make decisions based upon a combination of emotion and fact. A small example is technology can impregnate a female much more reliably than natural mating, yet our emotional influence causes us to stay with the natural method most of the time. (Almost all large cattle ranches use AI to save time and money.)
My prediction, and it is just that..a prediction that you are free to disagree with...is that someday in the distant future virtually, if not all, decisions and choices will be made with no regard for emotion.
That is. if we don't destroy ourselves with our own technology first.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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For starters? You asked me to answer "even one" so that's what I am going to answer...one.
Eons ago when primates first started to walk upright and our ancestors separated from the rest of their kin, virtually all decisions were made via instinct or emotion. Rational thought was just starting to influence what those primates did when confronted with having to make a choice. As time went one and evolution created a smarter, stronger, bigger, and more creative creature those decisions were made with a more and more rational thought process.
Today's humans make decisions based upon a combination of emotion and fact. A small example is technology can impregnate a female much more reliably than natural mating, yet our emotional influence causes us to stay with the natural method most of the time. (Almost all large cattle ranches use AI to save time and money.)
My prediction, and it is just that..a prediction that you are free to disagree with...is that someday in the distant future virtually, if not all, decisions and choices will be made with no regard for emotion.
That is. if we don't destroy ourselves with our own technology first.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and doesn't even begin to touch upon the 'how' of my question, it's just a very vague 'what'.

Try this one, How will science and technology come to govern all choices of politicians? Things like politics and sociology are not sciences, and the vast majority of politicians are not scientists.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Jakee, you asked me a question and I answered it. I really could not care less if you like the answer I offered.
Go troll someone else.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jakee 1,565]

Try this one, How will science and technology come to govern all choices of politicians? Things like politics and sociology are not sciences, and the vast majority of politicians are not scientists.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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The remark was made to mock those (not just here in the forum) who feel anyone who holds any beliefs outside those that can be tested is a fool.

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Go troll someone else.

You appear to be the troll.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Try this one, How will science and technology come to govern all choices of politicians? Things like politics and sociology are not sciences, and the vast majority of politicians are not scientists.

Ok, I will offer an answer to this one since it may help you understand the last one and I can answer it very quickly.
Stop thinking of future society as resembling anything we have now. I'm not talking in the next 20 year, 100 years, 200 years...I'm talking thousands or hundreds of thousands of years into the future. As mankind evolves from an instinctual and emotional being into a more logical one, the idea of politics and politicians will become extinct. ALL members of society will be what we now consider scientists therefore all leaders so shall be.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Stop thinking of future society as resembling anything we have now. I'm not talking in the next 20 year, 100 years, 200 years...I'm talking thousands or hundreds of thousands of years into the future. As mankind evolves from an instinctual and emotional being into a more logical one, the idea of politics and politicians will become extinct. ALL members of society will be what we now consider scientists therefore all leaders so shall be.

The problem is history doesn't support your assumption. Humans are still as instinctual and emotional today as they were thousands of years ago ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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"Lack of faith is a disregard of self control and being responsible for ones own actions. So, why should non-beleievers be treated with any respect? "

If i refuse to believe a conclusion based upon insiffcient evidence why does imply anyhting about my self control?
Notice also my attack is on the concept of faith, not people of faith. Yet your attack is on the non belivers themselves.

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Stop thinking of future society as resembling anything we have now. I'm not talking in the next 20 year, 100 years, 200 years...I'm talking thousands or hundreds of thousands of years into the future. As mankind evolves from an instinctual and emotional being into a more logical one, the idea of politics and politicians will become extinct. ALL members of society will be what we now consider scientists therefore all leaders so shall be.

The problem is history doesn't support your assumption. Humans are still as instinctual and emotional today as they were thousands of years ago ...

The fact that we are much more logical today in our thought process supports my assumptions.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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The fact that we are much more logical today in our thought process supports my assumptions.

Do you know what a fact is? Regardless, what examples do you have to support your opinion that we are more logical today in our thought process?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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"Lack of faith is a disregard of self control and being responsible for ones own actions. So, why should non-beleievers be treated with any respect? "

If i refuse to believe a conclusion based upon insiffcient evidence why does imply anyhting about my self control?
Notice also my attack is on the concept of faith, not people of faith. Yet your attack is on the non belivers themselves.

sorry but sarchasm does not come across very clearly on line. At least I am not good at it.

My post was an inkind post. Using the absurd to show absurdity......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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My assertion is not that science lacks emotion and compassion at this time, only that someday it will.

Your assertion was that "science and technology will govern all choices with no regard to compassion or charity". I was making an argument that I don't believe that to be true. Science needs to lack emotion, but that doesn't mean that we as people, or as governments will give up emotion. I doubt we will even give up religion.

Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD

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The fact that we are much more logical today in our thought process supports my assumptions.

Do you know what a fact is? Regardless, what examples do you have to support your opinion that we are more logical today in our thought process?

Yes, I know what a fact is.
Are you suggesting that logic plays no more a role in our thought process than it did in primates a million years ago?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Are you suggesting that logic plays no more a role in our thought process than it did in primates a million years ago?

No, I'm suggesting that instincts and emotions still play a primary role in our thought process.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Are you suggesting that logic plays no more a role in our thought process than it did in primates a million years ago?

No, I'm suggesting that instincts and emotions still play a primary role in our thought process.

I never said they didn't. In fact, I have said here more than once thet they still do play a major role in our thought process. What I said was that, in my opinion, someday they won't. Someday being a long, long time from now.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Try this one, How will science and technology come to govern all choices of politicians? Things like politics and sociology are not sciences, and the vast majority of politicians are not scientists.

Ok, I will offer an answer to this one since it may help you understand the last one and I can answer it very quickly.
Stop thinking of future society as resembling anything we have now. I'm not talking in the next 20 year, 100 years, 200 years...I'm talking thousands or hundreds of thousands of years into the future. As mankind evolves from an instinctual and emotional being into a more logical one, the idea of politics and politicians will become extinct. ALL members of society will be what we now consider scientists therefore all leaders so shall be.

Reconcile that statement with your entry to this thread, concernng the danger of eliminating religion.

Your first statement was along the lines of if religion is eliminated then cold logic will take over. Here the implied causal relationship is the other way round.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Are you suggesting that logic plays no more a role in our thought process than it did in primates a million years ago?

No, I'm suggesting that instincts and emotions still play a primary role in our thought process.

I never said they didn't. In fact, I have said here more than once thet they still do play a major role in our thought process. What I said was that, in my opinion, someday they won't. Someday being a long, long time from now.

You have yet to supply any evidence, examples, etc... supporting your assumption (that logic has replaced instincts and emotions).

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Logic is a linguistic device with no relation to reality or decision making.

There is nothing logical about the universe.

"User assumes all risk"

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If the awareness of spiritual truth was ever removed from our consciousness, my bet would be that science and technology would be used to enhance the hedonistic indulgences of the strong at the expense of the weak. Much like is already happening. I am doubtful that science could ever turn us into impassive logical automatons.

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Hey...Jakee! It's only a feakin' loose prediction, not a hypothesis that will be submitted to any scientific journal for peer review!
Get the fuck over it.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.