Presidential Pardons - Who's gonna get one?

[nerdgirl 0]

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It is impossible for any literate human to place Charlie Gibson's questions of her beside those he asked of Sen. Obama and conclude he was unbiased. It cannot be done. Period.

Hmmm ... I consider myself fairly literate.
I've haven't seen either interview but did find transcripts: interview w/Gov Palin and interview w/Sen Obama.



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[jakee 1,595]

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The problem there is, how can you pardon somebody that hasn't been charged yet.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Just like that! Change the names and dates and it's golden.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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The problem there is, how can you pardon somebody that hasn't been charged yet.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Just like that! Change the names and dates and it's golden.

Yeah . . . we covered that. I think if you look back at all the Presidential pardons you'll find that's a singular case which was really the only way that could be done.

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[jakee 1,595]

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Yeah . . . we covered that.

I'd just like to point out that I said it first, about a week ago the last time you asked this question

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I think if you look back at all the Presidential pardons you'll find that's a singular case which was really the only way that could be done.

So? Doesn't mean it can't be done again, and it shows that the Presidential pardon can be used even where there are, as yet, no charges.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Butters 0]

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Ok I'll admit that that was a cheap shot, but Clinton was accused on more than one occasion to have given Bin Laden a pass..Yes?

The difference is that George is being accused of not trying hard enough to get Osama and thus giving him a pass while Bill had Osama and gave him a pass (on multiple occasions) ...

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[akarunway 1]

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Ted Stevens?

Scooter Libby?

Who else?

Bush, And DICK. Maybe Rove?

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[akarunway 1]

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I think there are thousands of SF troops in the mountains of Afghanistan that would strongly disagree with you.

And there should be 150K troops w/ them instead of trying to loot Iraq. Not the troops mind you. They're just doing what they are told to do.

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[chadkal 0]

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AB-FUCKING-SURD!

Uh huh . . . how'd that VP pick of yours turn out? Still think she's the right woman for the job? I just wanna know how tuned into reality some people think they are.

evidently you are not tuned into anything that is near to or closely resembling realty,... so that question is kind of pointless.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I read an article that said that W was going to resign after Jan 1 and Cheny would issue a presidential pardon.

It was a laughable article, but really shows the mindset of some people. Then again the article continued to say that the then new POTUS would resign and his VP, probably Rice would issue a pardon as well. Even though a new VP would have to go through the Senate...

Purely as an academic aside, I think that if a sitting president chose to pardon him/herself - and of course, that would be challenged in court - a majority of any Supreme Court would probably rule that that IS constitutionally permissible.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Purely as an academic aside, I think that if a sitting president chose to pardon him/herself - and of course, that would be challenged in court - a majority of any Supreme Court would probably rule that that IS constitutionally permissible.

wouldn't be good for that speaking tour revenue, however.

[TheAnvil 0]

You really, really, really need to start reading up on facts prior to posting.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

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the Saudi royal family OPENLY finances OBL.

The same guy who is trying to kill them?

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[quade 4]

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You really, really, really need to start reading up on facts prior to posting.

Fuck! That's the problem, I was only "really, really" checking them.

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[Misternatural 0]

>>The difference is that George is being accused of not trying hard enough to get Osama and thus giving him a pass while Bill had Osama and gave him a pass (on multiple occasions) ...


Either way, the people who got screwed the most on this deal are the survivors of 911 (the actual victims are long dead)- in the form of the American taxpayer and the military personnel struggling and getting killed in hostile extremely uncomfortable environments and shitty circumstances for long periods of time away from their families in a country which had nothing to do with 911 while the perpetrator of 911 is living in some sort of a protected off limit region of the world.

Oddly you would think that the Bush administration would have more of an incentive to find and kill this wanton criminal since Clinton could only speculate on future guilt by limited intel and circumstantial evidence thus engage in limited action...But Bush, now he had six or seven YEARS to accomplish what you would think is a number one priority mission after the horrible fact but no, he and the hawks;wolfowitz,cheney,rove,and rumsfeld wanted to shift the focus to a country which had rich oil reserves but little evidence connecting it to the terror attacks. which is quite the opposite of the Taliban rich but resource poor Afghanistan and Waziristan region which was said by some of the most up to date and reliable intel available to harbor Bin Laden. I speculate that the motivation for the current war in the middle east was terrorism AND resource driven. Now there is still a month or so left to Bush's term so lets see what happens-BUT

The important thing to take away from this is that common citizens should never allow their leaders to act without intense scrutiny, because blind allegiance is the spawning bed for totalitarianism, wanton abuse and waste of taxpayer money and military personnel- this is my key defense for democracy over republic.

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[kallend 2,148]

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You really, really, really need to start reading up on facts prior to posting.

Why? No-one else is held to that standard.

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