Vallerina 2 #1 November 9, 2008 The religious right has been saying it for years: if you let gay couples get married, it just leads to polygamy and animal marriages. I've been a supporter of letting people choose whomever they wish to marry, and my thoughts reflect the very blue surroundings I live in. Oak Park is known for being very liberal with their Obama signs, higher taxes and programs for its very lazy citizens (I mean, has anyone seen me even leave the house today?) It seems the fears of the religious folks of what gay marriages lead to have finally been realized: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6495966 A town supporting gay marriages is now full of animal weddings, just as predicted. I guess we can't say that we hadn't been warned.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #2 November 9, 2008 But what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siddacious 0 #3 November 9, 2008 QuoteThe religious right has been saying it for years: if you let gay couples get married, it just leads to polygamy and animal marriages. I've been a supporter of letting people choose whomever they wish to marry, and my thoughts reflect the very blue surroundings I live in. Oak Park is known for being very liberal with their Obama signs, higher taxes and programs for its very lazy citizens (I mean, has anyone seen me even leave the house today?) It seems the fears of the religious folks of what gay marriages lead to have finally been realized: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6495966 A town supporting gay marriages is now full of animal weddings, just as predicted. I guess we can't say that we hadn't been warned. What is next? SAME SEX DOG MARRIAGES AT THE CERN LHC. THE END IS NEIGH!A dolor netus non dui aliquet, sagittis felis sodales, dolor sociis mauris, vel eu libero cras. Interdum at. Eget habitasse elementum est. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #4 November 9, 2008 Quote But what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? They'll turn to drugs and probably end up just like their parents. It's a sad situation, really. There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #5 November 9, 2008 QuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Maybe the dogs are gay too, there wouldn't be any children. We obviously have more people than we have jobs for, maybe we should be encouraging gay marriage. I remember that from Barney Miller."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jgoose71 0 #6 November 9, 2008 One of many other problems that gay marriages pose. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271116,00.html We got a long ways to go for equality "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Caitlin89 0 #7 November 10, 2008 What will happen? OBVIOUSLY, they will end up gay too. Seriously? You'd prefer that thousands of children remain in foster care? AND, in terms of being teased as children... Kids these days are generally tolerant, unless they're influenced by absolute STUPIDITY like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cari 0 #8 November 10, 2008 QuoteWhat will happen? OBVIOUSLY, they will end up gay too. Seriously? You'd prefer that thousands of children remain in foster care? AND, in terms of being teased as children... Kids these days are generally tolerant, unless they're influenced by absolute STUPIDITY like this. WHOOSH! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LOSTandCRAZY 0 #9 November 10, 2008 Problems that stem from gay marriages???? A bunch of bible-toting idiots will focus on YOUR life, instead of their own, leaving their kids at home, possibly locked in a closet, while they are out protesting your right to have a child. And the church that told them to do all of this will STILL not have to pay taxes for encouraging their parishoners to hate you, or to kill you, resulting in more terrorist funding to operatives heaven-bent on blowing up the Olympic Park in Atlanta (oh wait, that was for the anti-aborition, cause... Wait until they find out two dudes or chicks got MARRIED!!!!), all the while, just pissing off the rest of us with those stupid TV ads that they fund, and forcing us to listen to how "ungodly" the rest of us are. I, on the other hand, blame ALL of the Teletubbies, not just Tinky-winky. BAD us. We're terrible! (Sigh). I love America."Get these balls!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goofyjumper 0 #10 November 10, 2008 QuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while.----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cari 0 #11 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while. Hi. I'm Cari. In the spirit of the thread, I thought I'd make a funny. Apparently, some people didn't get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Misslmperfect 0 #12 November 10, 2008 hahahaha. don't worry....i'm pretty sure that most of us got it. Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goofyjumper 0 #13 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while. Hi. I'm Cari. In the spirit of the thread, I thought I'd make a funny. Apparently, some people didn't get it. Oops I am sorry. The sad thing is that are people on here that actually talk like that seriously. My bad.----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cari 0 #14 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while. Hi. I'm Cari. In the spirit of the thread, I thought I'd make a funny. Apparently, some people didn't get it. Oops I am sorry. The sad thing is that are people on here that actually talk like that seriously. My bad. Lol. I certainly don't want anyone to think I'm a bigot. I find the arguments that people have against gay marriages (or unions or whatever the appropriate term is this week) to be pretty silly. I just don't get why so many people have such an interest in the private lives of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #15 November 10, 2008 Quoteif you let gay couples get married, it just leads to polygamy and animal marriages. That's nothing! I heard a televangelist on the 700 club proclaim that legalizing gay marriage is a pre-cursor to legalizing sex with pre-pubescent children!Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ion01 2 #16 November 10, 2008 The real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more. A civil union or any other legal bindings are not good enough for the gay community....they want the instituation of marriage which is a religious binding which is to take place before God. The gay community is not satisfied to make thier own choices but wants everyone to say that it is acceptable. This is the reason churchs have been SUED for preaching that it is wrong to be gay. What happened to the freedom of speach? Why can't people decide for themselves what they think about being gay? Why must the religious community be forced to accept anything when it is a religious right to do what they want just as it is the individuals right to do what they want. Why do people not want gay marriage and say it will lead to other things.....because it is a fight to breakdown and destroy religion....it is a fight to remove the ideas of right and wrong.....and if evolution is true there is no right or wrong but only survival of the fittest....so even from an evolutionary standpoint this is a fight to survive for religion not the gay community. The goverment hasn't made a law against being gay and you can have the same legal rights under contracts and unions but they want the religious instituation of marriage. If you want the actual stance of the "religious community" and the philosphical implication of gay marriage here are some links. Please don't be so narrow minded and ignorant as to catagorize all religious viewpoints as idiotic or terrorists and such. Please educate yourself first to both sides before making such judgements. http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=260:whats-wrong-with-gay-marriage&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145:same-sex-marriage-challenges-and-responses&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 Finally, please remember that numerous studies have be done in which gays were given proper counciling and as a result have become heterosexual to the point of heterosexual marriage. The point being is that it is a choice one makes and that decision is made as a result of psychological influences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cari 0 #17 November 10, 2008 QuoteThe real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more. A civil union or any other legal bindings are not good enough for the gay community....they want the instituation of marriage which is a religious binding which is to take place before God. The gay community is not satisfied to make thier own choices but wants everyone to say that it is acceptable. This is the reason churchs have been SUED for preaching that it is wrong to be gay. What happened to the freedom of speach? Why can't people decide for themselves what they think about being gay? Why must the religious community be forced to accept anything when it is a religious right to do what they want just as it is the individuals right to do what they want. Why do people not want gay marriage and say it will lead to other things.....because it is a fight to breakdown and destroy religion....it is a fight to remove the ideas of right and wrong.....and if evolution is true there is no right or wrong but only survival of the fittest....so even from an evolutionary standpoint this is a fight to survive for religion not the gay community. The goverment hasn't made a law against being gay and you can have the same legal rights under contracts and unions but they want the religious instituation of marriage. If you want the actual stance of the "religious community" and the philosphical implication of gay marriage here are some links. Please don't be so narrow minded and ignorant as to catagorize all religious viewpoints as idiotic or terrorists and such. Please educate yourself first to both sides before making such judgements. http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=260:whats-wrong-with-gay-marriage&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145:same-sex-marriage-challenges-and-responses&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 Finally, please remember that numerous studies have be done in which gays were given proper counciling and as a result have become heterosexual to the point of heterosexual marriage. The point being is that it is a choice one makes and that decision is made as a result of psychological influences. Are you serious? You can find studies to back up any view you happen to have, so I'm not going to waste my time finding something that says the exact opposite of your last paragraph. The implication that people are narrow-minded and ignorant and must not have been educated in the ways of religion if they believe that you are 100% ridiculously wrong is pretty ignorant and egocentric in and of itself. I was raised in one of the most Christian towns in the country (Billy Graham Center, Wheaton College, more churches per capita than any other town in the US, etc). I went to church for as long as I can remember or, in the words of George Carlin, "until I reached the age of reason." If "the real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more" is true, then why do so many Christians waste time and money of the court system filing the paperwork for a legal marriage and, eventually, the divorce paperwork? If it's all about Christian doctrine, shouldn't simply devoting yourselves to one another before God be enough? No. You want the paperwork too. If it's for insurance purposes or anything else that comes with marriage, that would imply that it isn't a purely religious thing, negating much of what is in your post. I know all of those evil anti-christian gay people are out there purely for the purpose of breaking down religion, but what about all of the people that say things like what you said here? Gay people choose to be gay? What person would CHOOSE a lifestyle that has the potential to cause so many difficulties? I could say the exact same thing here. The religious right CHOOSES to be religious and can be reformed to perfectly balanced, non-judgmental citizens just like the rest of us. I could say a few choice things here, but everything else that is popping into my head would really piss off too many people and be generally insulting, obscene, crass, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PeregrineFalcon 0 #18 November 10, 2008 <<>> I was going to respond to this guy, but I could not have written one anywhere near as good as yours. While he's right that there are a select few people in the United States going out of their way to destroy or undermine religion (which is hypocritical if you think about it) the rest of his post was a load of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites klingeme 1 #19 November 10, 2008 QuoteThe real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more. A civil union or any other legal bindings are not good enough for the gay community....they want the instituation of marriage which is a religious binding which is to take place before God. The gay community is not satisfied to make thier own choices but wants everyone to say that it is acceptable. This is the reason churchs have been SUED for preaching that it is wrong to be gay. What happened to the freedom of speach? Why can't people decide for themselves what they think about being gay? Why must the religious community be forced to accept anything when it is a religious right to do what they want just as it is the individuals right to do what they want. Why do people not want gay marriage and say it will lead to other things.....because it is a fight to breakdown and destroy religion....it is a fight to remove the ideas of right and wrong.....and if evolution is true there is no right or wrong but only survival of the fittest....so even from an evolutionary standpoint this is a fight to survive for religion not the gay community. The goverment hasn't made a law against being gay and you can have the same legal rights under contracts and unions but they want the religious instituation of marriage. If you want the actual stance of the "religious community" and the philosphical implication of gay marriage here are some links. Please don't be so narrow minded and ignorant as to catagorize all religious viewpoints as idiotic or terrorists and such. Please educate yourself first to both sides before making such judgements. http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=260:whats-wrong-with-gay-marriage&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145:same-sex-marriage-challenges-and-responses&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 Finally, please remember that numerous studies have be done in which gays were given proper counciling and as a result have become heterosexual to the point of heterosexual marriage. The point being is that it is a choice one makes and that decision is made as a result of psychological influences. Can an Straight Athiest get married? Or what about Jewish or Muslims calling it "marriage". Why are the christians up in arms about this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cari 0 #20 November 10, 2008 Well, thanks! I think there are subsets of society that try to undermine ANYTHING that doesn't coincide with their views. While I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, I can't comprehend how anyone could use religious tenets as a basis for passing judgment on others. I get that it happens...a lot. I just don't see how they think it's justified. What I also don't understand is how, if someone's beliefs are so strong, anything that any other person does could have such an impact on them. Your beliefs are exactly that...YOURS. They aren't mine, or hers, or his. I guess the concept of "live and let live" was lost on some people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cari 0 #21 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteif you let gay couples get married, it just leads to polygamy and animal marriages. That's nothing! I heard a televangelist on the 700 club proclaim that legalizing gay marriage is a pre-cursor to legalizing sex with pre-pubescent children! I heard that NAMBLA has a float in the gay pride parade, funded exclusively by the Vatican. *another joke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cari 0 #22 November 10, 2008 Quote Can an Straight Athiest get married? Or what about Jewish or Muslims calling it "marriage". Why are the christians up in arms about this? Ever seen, "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry?" This made me think of their gay Jewish wedding ceremony. It's pretty funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #23 November 10, 2008 Quote I can't comprehend how anyone could use religious tenets as a basis for passing judgment on others. I get that it happens...a lot. I just don't see how they think it's justified. I can help you here. They are hypocritical bigots that are incapable of actually following the tenet of JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED. Basically think of them as control freaks that want to look into everyones bedroom window.. and get their jollies that way. DO AS THEY SAY... certainly not as they do Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ion01 2 #24 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote I can't comprehend how anyone could use religious tenets as a basis for passing judgment on others. I get that it happens...a lot. I just don't see how they think it's justified. I can help you here. They are hypocritical bigots that are incapable of actually following the tenet of JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED. Basically think of them as control freaks that want to look into everyones bedroom window.. and get their jollies that way. DO AS THEY SAY... certainly not as they do Really??? Although many in the religious world are hypocrits to catagorize everyone as such is rediculous! Have you ever read matthew 7? 1"(A)Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and (B)by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you (C)look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4"(D)Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. 6"(E)Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. He is talking about hypocritical judgement. The speck was still removed from the brothers eye but after the plank was removed first. If the speck is to be removed then judgement must take place but you must not do it in a hypocritical manner. If you are going to quote the bible please do it correctly. And if the rest of you who are not religious are so non-judgemental then why are you so judgemental in all your posts here? The above quote is a great example of not only judging but the hypocritical judgement that was really spoken about in that he didn't know what the bible really says. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #25 November 10, 2008 Iffin you be wantin scripture and verse.. I can do dat ..8 years of religious skoolin learnt me well. YOUR GOD done give man the right to fuck hissef...its all about them thar choices... Me I'z preferrin GOD to be a judgin me.. not a bunch of redneck moralist hypocrites Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 1 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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jgoose71 0 #6 November 9, 2008 One of many other problems that gay marriages pose. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271116,00.html We got a long ways to go for equality "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caitlin89 0 #7 November 10, 2008 What will happen? OBVIOUSLY, they will end up gay too. Seriously? You'd prefer that thousands of children remain in foster care? AND, in terms of being teased as children... Kids these days are generally tolerant, unless they're influenced by absolute STUPIDITY like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #8 November 10, 2008 QuoteWhat will happen? OBVIOUSLY, they will end up gay too. Seriously? You'd prefer that thousands of children remain in foster care? AND, in terms of being teased as children... Kids these days are generally tolerant, unless they're influenced by absolute STUPIDITY like this. WHOOSH! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOSTandCRAZY 0 #9 November 10, 2008 Problems that stem from gay marriages???? A bunch of bible-toting idiots will focus on YOUR life, instead of their own, leaving their kids at home, possibly locked in a closet, while they are out protesting your right to have a child. And the church that told them to do all of this will STILL not have to pay taxes for encouraging their parishoners to hate you, or to kill you, resulting in more terrorist funding to operatives heaven-bent on blowing up the Olympic Park in Atlanta (oh wait, that was for the anti-aborition, cause... Wait until they find out two dudes or chicks got MARRIED!!!!), all the while, just pissing off the rest of us with those stupid TV ads that they fund, and forcing us to listen to how "ungodly" the rest of us are. I, on the other hand, blame ALL of the Teletubbies, not just Tinky-winky. BAD us. We're terrible! (Sigh). I love America."Get these balls!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #10 November 10, 2008 QuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while.----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #11 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while. Hi. I'm Cari. In the spirit of the thread, I thought I'd make a funny. Apparently, some people didn't get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #12 November 10, 2008 hahahaha. don't worry....i'm pretty sure that most of us got it. Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #13 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while. Hi. I'm Cari. In the spirit of the thread, I thought I'd make a funny. Apparently, some people didn't get it. Oops I am sorry. The sad thing is that are people on here that actually talk like that seriously. My bad.----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #14 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBut what happens when those dogs try to raise kids? The kids will totally be ripped apart once they start school. Don't they ever think of how it will affect the children?! Edited out typo. Wow! That had to be one of the most ignorant comment I have ever read in a while. Hi. I'm Cari. In the spirit of the thread, I thought I'd make a funny. Apparently, some people didn't get it. Oops I am sorry. The sad thing is that are people on here that actually talk like that seriously. My bad. Lol. I certainly don't want anyone to think I'm a bigot. I find the arguments that people have against gay marriages (or unions or whatever the appropriate term is this week) to be pretty silly. I just don't get why so many people have such an interest in the private lives of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #15 November 10, 2008 Quoteif you let gay couples get married, it just leads to polygamy and animal marriages. That's nothing! I heard a televangelist on the 700 club proclaim that legalizing gay marriage is a pre-cursor to legalizing sex with pre-pubescent children!Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 2 #16 November 10, 2008 The real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more. A civil union or any other legal bindings are not good enough for the gay community....they want the instituation of marriage which is a religious binding which is to take place before God. The gay community is not satisfied to make thier own choices but wants everyone to say that it is acceptable. This is the reason churchs have been SUED for preaching that it is wrong to be gay. What happened to the freedom of speach? Why can't people decide for themselves what they think about being gay? Why must the religious community be forced to accept anything when it is a religious right to do what they want just as it is the individuals right to do what they want. Why do people not want gay marriage and say it will lead to other things.....because it is a fight to breakdown and destroy religion....it is a fight to remove the ideas of right and wrong.....and if evolution is true there is no right or wrong but only survival of the fittest....so even from an evolutionary standpoint this is a fight to survive for religion not the gay community. The goverment hasn't made a law against being gay and you can have the same legal rights under contracts and unions but they want the religious instituation of marriage. If you want the actual stance of the "religious community" and the philosphical implication of gay marriage here are some links. Please don't be so narrow minded and ignorant as to catagorize all religious viewpoints as idiotic or terrorists and such. Please educate yourself first to both sides before making such judgements. http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=260:whats-wrong-with-gay-marriage&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145:same-sex-marriage-challenges-and-responses&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 Finally, please remember that numerous studies have be done in which gays were given proper counciling and as a result have become heterosexual to the point of heterosexual marriage. The point being is that it is a choice one makes and that decision is made as a result of psychological influences. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #17 November 10, 2008 QuoteThe real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more. A civil union or any other legal bindings are not good enough for the gay community....they want the instituation of marriage which is a religious binding which is to take place before God. The gay community is not satisfied to make thier own choices but wants everyone to say that it is acceptable. This is the reason churchs have been SUED for preaching that it is wrong to be gay. What happened to the freedom of speach? Why can't people decide for themselves what they think about being gay? Why must the religious community be forced to accept anything when it is a religious right to do what they want just as it is the individuals right to do what they want. Why do people not want gay marriage and say it will lead to other things.....because it is a fight to breakdown and destroy religion....it is a fight to remove the ideas of right and wrong.....and if evolution is true there is no right or wrong but only survival of the fittest....so even from an evolutionary standpoint this is a fight to survive for religion not the gay community. The goverment hasn't made a law against being gay and you can have the same legal rights under contracts and unions but they want the religious instituation of marriage. If you want the actual stance of the "religious community" and the philosphical implication of gay marriage here are some links. Please don't be so narrow minded and ignorant as to catagorize all religious viewpoints as idiotic or terrorists and such. Please educate yourself first to both sides before making such judgements. http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=260:whats-wrong-with-gay-marriage&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145:same-sex-marriage-challenges-and-responses&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 Finally, please remember that numerous studies have be done in which gays were given proper counciling and as a result have become heterosexual to the point of heterosexual marriage. The point being is that it is a choice one makes and that decision is made as a result of psychological influences. Are you serious? You can find studies to back up any view you happen to have, so I'm not going to waste my time finding something that says the exact opposite of your last paragraph. The implication that people are narrow-minded and ignorant and must not have been educated in the ways of religion if they believe that you are 100% ridiculously wrong is pretty ignorant and egocentric in and of itself. I was raised in one of the most Christian towns in the country (Billy Graham Center, Wheaton College, more churches per capita than any other town in the US, etc). I went to church for as long as I can remember or, in the words of George Carlin, "until I reached the age of reason." If "the real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more" is true, then why do so many Christians waste time and money of the court system filing the paperwork for a legal marriage and, eventually, the divorce paperwork? If it's all about Christian doctrine, shouldn't simply devoting yourselves to one another before God be enough? No. You want the paperwork too. If it's for insurance purposes or anything else that comes with marriage, that would imply that it isn't a purely religious thing, negating much of what is in your post. I know all of those evil anti-christian gay people are out there purely for the purpose of breaking down religion, but what about all of the people that say things like what you said here? Gay people choose to be gay? What person would CHOOSE a lifestyle that has the potential to cause so many difficulties? I could say the exact same thing here. The religious right CHOOSES to be religious and can be reformed to perfectly balanced, non-judgmental citizens just like the rest of us. I could say a few choice things here, but everything else that is popping into my head would really piss off too many people and be generally insulting, obscene, crass, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeregrineFalcon 0 #18 November 10, 2008 <<>> I was going to respond to this guy, but I could not have written one anywhere near as good as yours. While he's right that there are a select few people in the United States going out of their way to destroy or undermine religion (which is hypocritical if you think about it) the rest of his post was a load of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #19 November 10, 2008 QuoteThe real issue regarding gay marriage is that it is a fight against christianity and nothing more. A civil union or any other legal bindings are not good enough for the gay community....they want the instituation of marriage which is a religious binding which is to take place before God. The gay community is not satisfied to make thier own choices but wants everyone to say that it is acceptable. This is the reason churchs have been SUED for preaching that it is wrong to be gay. What happened to the freedom of speach? Why can't people decide for themselves what they think about being gay? Why must the religious community be forced to accept anything when it is a religious right to do what they want just as it is the individuals right to do what they want. Why do people not want gay marriage and say it will lead to other things.....because it is a fight to breakdown and destroy religion....it is a fight to remove the ideas of right and wrong.....and if evolution is true there is no right or wrong but only survival of the fittest....so even from an evolutionary standpoint this is a fight to survive for religion not the gay community. The goverment hasn't made a law against being gay and you can have the same legal rights under contracts and unions but they want the religious instituation of marriage. If you want the actual stance of the "religious community" and the philosphical implication of gay marriage here are some links. Please don't be so narrow minded and ignorant as to catagorize all religious viewpoints as idiotic or terrorists and such. Please educate yourself first to both sides before making such judgements. http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=260:whats-wrong-with-gay-marriage&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 http://www.apologetics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=145:same-sex-marriage-challenges-and-responses&catid=36:cultural-apologetics&Itemid=54 Finally, please remember that numerous studies have be done in which gays were given proper counciling and as a result have become heterosexual to the point of heterosexual marriage. The point being is that it is a choice one makes and that decision is made as a result of psychological influences. Can an Straight Athiest get married? Or what about Jewish or Muslims calling it "marriage". Why are the christians up in arms about this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #20 November 10, 2008 Well, thanks! I think there are subsets of society that try to undermine ANYTHING that doesn't coincide with their views. While I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, I can't comprehend how anyone could use religious tenets as a basis for passing judgment on others. I get that it happens...a lot. I just don't see how they think it's justified. What I also don't understand is how, if someone's beliefs are so strong, anything that any other person does could have such an impact on them. Your beliefs are exactly that...YOURS. They aren't mine, or hers, or his. I guess the concept of "live and let live" was lost on some people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #21 November 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteif you let gay couples get married, it just leads to polygamy and animal marriages. That's nothing! I heard a televangelist on the 700 club proclaim that legalizing gay marriage is a pre-cursor to legalizing sex with pre-pubescent children! I heard that NAMBLA has a float in the gay pride parade, funded exclusively by the Vatican. *another joke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cari 0 #22 November 10, 2008 Quote Can an Straight Athiest get married? Or what about Jewish or Muslims calling it "marriage". Why are the christians up in arms about this? Ever seen, "I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry?" This made me think of their gay Jewish wedding ceremony. It's pretty funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #23 November 10, 2008 Quote I can't comprehend how anyone could use religious tenets as a basis for passing judgment on others. I get that it happens...a lot. I just don't see how they think it's justified. I can help you here. They are hypocritical bigots that are incapable of actually following the tenet of JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED. Basically think of them as control freaks that want to look into everyones bedroom window.. and get their jollies that way. DO AS THEY SAY... certainly not as they do Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 2 #24 November 10, 2008 Quote Quote I can't comprehend how anyone could use religious tenets as a basis for passing judgment on others. I get that it happens...a lot. I just don't see how they think it's justified. I can help you here. They are hypocritical bigots that are incapable of actually following the tenet of JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED. Basically think of them as control freaks that want to look into everyones bedroom window.. and get their jollies that way. DO AS THEY SAY... certainly not as they do Really??? Although many in the religious world are hypocrits to catagorize everyone as such is rediculous! Have you ever read matthew 7? 1"(A)Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and (B)by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you (C)look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4"(D)Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. 6"(E)Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. He is talking about hypocritical judgement. The speck was still removed from the brothers eye but after the plank was removed first. If the speck is to be removed then judgement must take place but you must not do it in a hypocritical manner. If you are going to quote the bible please do it correctly. And if the rest of you who are not religious are so non-judgemental then why are you so judgemental in all your posts here? The above quote is a great example of not only judging but the hypocritical judgement that was really spoken about in that he didn't know what the bible really says. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 November 10, 2008 Iffin you be wantin scripture and verse.. I can do dat ..8 years of religious skoolin learnt me well. YOUR GOD done give man the right to fuck hissef...its all about them thar choices... Me I'z preferrin GOD to be a judgin me.. not a bunch of redneck moralist hypocrites Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
