Conundrum 1 #1 November 6, 2008 Everyone I have talked to that says they voted yes for banning gay marriage has done it for religious reasons. "marriage is for men and women only" I'm wondering how they'd vote if there were a prop to ban divorce (i.e. forcing them to abide by "til death do us part" in their vows)? I doubt it would pass... then again, it's not uncommon for religious people to bend the rules to their convenience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperNerd1988 0 #2 November 6, 2008 Nicely said. It is interesting how religious people pick and choose which rules to follow.There's a risk to skydiving that is not always mentioned; the risk of becoming addicted to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #3 November 6, 2008 How predictable. Prop 8 gets passed and a thread appears in which religious people start getting bashed. I find it very amazing that even in the state of California, a prop 8 was passed. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 November 6, 2008 QuoteI find it very amazing that even in the state of California, a prop 8 was passed. Really? How about Prop 22? I have a feeling that you're like a lot of people that don't have a freekin' clue how conservative a lot of California is. BTW, do you have any idea who the main sponsors of the proposal were? Hmmm.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guppie01 0 #5 November 6, 2008 QuoteBTW, do you have any idea who the main sponsors of the proposal were? Hmmm. I DO I DO But for the sake of others and my right to stay on DZ.com, I won't comment. g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #6 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteI find it very amazing that even in the state of California, a prop 8 was passed. Really? How about Prop 22? I have a feeling that you're like a lot of people that don't have a freekin' clue how conservative a lot of California is. BTW, do you have any idea who the main sponsors of the proposal were? Hmmm. In spite of your often antagonistic tone, I'll respond by say that in comparison to many, many other states in the union, California is considered pretty liberal. And yes, I know exactly who the sponsors on both sides were. It's public record. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #7 November 6, 2008 QuoteHow predictable. Prop 8 gets passed and a thread appears in which religious people start getting bashed. Is what I said not true? How many people do you know that are religious who have had sex before marriage? Who have gotten divorced? Who have had children out of wedlock? Catholics who use contraception? Yet most of them are against gay marriage because it's "wrong in the eyes of the church". People want to call themselves religious and faithful yet they only pick and choose with "rules" they feel like following. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteI find it very amazing that even in the state of California, a prop 8 was passed. Really? How about Prop 22? Quote . . . And yes, I know exactly who the sponsors on both sides were. It's public record. Uh, I don't think there is a "sponsor" on the opposition side. If you "know" then why are you in the least bit surprised by the reaction? If an insane rabid dog bit you, I wouldn't be surprised if harbored ill will toward insane rabid dogs. And if that insane rabid dog had bit you before . . . (kinda like prop 22) . . . my guess is your ill will is pretty justified.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #9 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteHow predictable. Prop 8 gets passed and a thread appears in which religious people start getting bashed. Is what I said not true? How many people do you know that are religious who have had sex before marriage? Who have gotten divorced? Who have had children out of wedlock? Catholics who use contraception? Yet most of them are against gay marriage because it's "wrong in the eyes of the church". People want to call themselves religious and faithful yet they only pick and choose with "rules" they feel like following. My wife did not have sex before marriage. She has never used contraception. She's never been divorced. While she enjoys a good glass of wine, she has never abuse alcohol or drugs. She is, by far, one of the happiest, most joyfilled persons I have ever met in my life. The same with all of her sisters. Same with many of our Catholic friends. However, I have no doubt that you or perhaps someone else may make some disparaging remark about my wife, her siblings or some of our friends. Still, the truth is what it is. I know these people. That is not the same with me. I'm a former drug addict who was a complete man-whore before I discovered faith. True about many of my friends. The difference between this group and the former group is that we believe in change. That people can make mistakes in life but later correct those mistakes and live better lives. The stories of recovering addicts are perfect examples here. However, if a person is "overly" religious, you would perfer to call them a hypocrite. There is a third group who does in fact pick and chose what tenets of their religious they want to follow, all the while condemning others for their choices in life. I have nothing but contempt for such people. That sort of cafetia-religiousity, that lukewarm banality is nauseating and indeed is something to be condemned. However, it is an injustice to brand EVERY person of faith with that brush. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #10 November 6, 2008 QuoteMy wife did not have sex before marriage. She has never used contraception. She's never been divorced. While she enjoys a good glass of wine, she has never abuse alcohol or drugs. She is, by far, one of the happiest, most joyfilled persons I have ever met in my life. The same with all of her sisters. Same with many of our Catholic friends. However, I have no doubt that you or perhaps someone else may make some disparaging remark about my wife, her siblings or some of our friends. Still, the truth is what it is. I know these people. Absolutely not. Well, not me anyway. I respect other people and what they believe in (as long as it's not pushed on me). I have a very Catholic family as well. The fact is, your wife is the exception, not the rule. Most people do not follow their religion like your wife, though there are some who do. The part that gets me is that I would put money on the majority of "yes" prop 8 voters to be those people who pick and choose the rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #11 November 6, 2008 Quote Uh, I don't think there is a "sponsor" on the opposition side. If you "know" then why are you in the least bit surprised by the reaction? every side has sponsors, if by sponsor you mean the people/organizations who are ponying up the funds either side. Quote If an insane rabid dog bit you, I wouldn't be surprised if harbored ill will toward insane rabid dogs. And if that insane rabid dog had bit you before . . . (kinda like prop 22) . . . my guess is your ill will is pretty justified. Nice, quade nice. True colors showin on through pal. Same old story. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #12 November 6, 2008 QuoteTrue colors showin on through . . . Red, White and Blue . . . pal . . . with liberty and justice for ALL.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #13 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote My wife did not have sex before marriage. She has never used contraception. She's never been divorced. While she enjoys a good glass of wine, she has never abuse alcohol or drugs. She is, by far, one of the happiest, most joyfilled persons I have ever met in my life. The same with all of her sisters. Same with many of our Catholic friends. However, I have no doubt that you or perhaps someone else may make some disparaging remark about my wife, her siblings or some of our friends. Still, the truth is what it is. I know these people. Absolutely not. Well, not me anyway. I respect other people and what they believe in (as long as it's not pushed on me). I have a very Catholic family as well. The fact is, your wife is the exception, not the rule. Most people do not follow their religion like your wife, though there are some who do. The part that gets me is that I would put money on the majority of "yes" prop 8 voters to be those people who pick and choose the rules. Thank you for the respect. I'm sorry for lumping you automatically in a category you don't deserve to be in. I'm justifiably very defensive of my beloved wife, she's very dear to me (she is of course, my wife! ). I'm shell-shocked from living in secular society that does not respect the choices we have made and that feels very free to express their disdain in very vocal and rude ways towards us and our peers. Unfortunately there are too many people who are as you describe. I would however be hesitant to say that "most" of them are as you say. Maybe it's the eternal optimist of my wife coming through. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #14 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteTrue colors showin on through . . . Red, White and Blue . . . pal . . . with liberty and justice for ALL. Except those that don't share your beliefs... then it's malign and attack. Those are the values of a true patriot, quade and you're displaying them in exemplary style. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #15 November 6, 2008 QuoteI'm shell-shocked from living in secular society that does not respect the choices we have made and that feels very free to express their disdain in very vocal and rude ways towards us and our peers. Imagine having some group that tried to pass an Amendment against that lifestyle. You've supplied your own intolerance irony.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #16 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteI'm shell-shocked from living in secular society that does not respect the choices we have made and that feels very free to express their disdain in very vocal and rude ways towards us and our peers. Imagine having some group that tried to pass an Amendment against that lifestyle. You've supplied your own intolerance irony. Our society, and in fact civiliation, is built on the instituation of marriage and the family. And because people like you can't have your way, a way you think in all your 30 or 40 years of wisdom is so much better than so many millions of others, you spew your hate and vitriol towards people who want to preserve the very institution that keeps society healthy. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #17 November 6, 2008 QuoteOur society, and in fact civiliation, is built on the instituation of marriage and the family. Really? Support that with anything. Anything at all. There is no basis in anthropology for it I can assure you. Please, show me where that is a "fact." Quote And because people like you can't have your way, a way you think in all your 30 or 40 years of wisdom is so much better than so many millions of others, you spew your hate and vitriol towards people who want to preserve the very institution that keeps society healthy. Not even close. I don't even have a dog in this hunt. I do however understand the concept of compassion for my fellow humans.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #18 November 6, 2008 QuoteOur society, and in fact civiliation, is built on the instituation of marriage and the family. Actually, our society was built upon freedom, and the separation of church and state, to name a few things. QuoteAnd because people like you can't have your way, a way you think in all your 30 or 40 years of wisdom is so much better than so many millions of others, you spew your hate and vitriol towards people who want to preserve the very institution that keeps society healthy. Really. Really? He is spewing hate? Wait a minute, I forgot... who is the one that thinks consenting adults should not be able to live their lives as they choose, because it offends his religious sensibilities? And you call the people who defend those rights hateful? What are those people doing to your rights? Where is their hate? Why are you blind to your own? I cannot comprehend such a beautiful instance of irony.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #19 November 6, 2008 I agree with what some others have said: Get the government out of the marriage business entirely. When you turn 18, you get to assign one person who will be your partner in all the legal crap that government needs to be concerned with, such as inheritance, visitation rights, living wills, etc. etc. Before you get married that person could be a parent or sibling or friend or whatever. You can assign whomever you want. The government will no longer be in a position to say yes or no to ANY marriage. and there will be nothing to argue about. People are capable of protecting family values without the Almighty Government holding their hand. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #20 November 6, 2008 um... pardon me, but if you would go back and read... he was the one who referred to certain people as "insane rabid dogs" and, for your edification, it does not, let me repeat, does not, mr. assumptionata, offend any of my religious sensibilities for anyone to live their life as they chose. it is not hateful to want to defend the institution of marriage. if two men or two women want to live their lives "as they choose", that's not my concern. just don't call it marriage. that's a farce. it is hateful to resort to name calling and spewing vitriolic prejudices, like quade does so well, when segments of society can't advance their liberal agenda. i have done no such name calling. i believe that you have a fundamental comprehension problem in this thread. i've had enough of y'alls sour grapes. toodleloo! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #21 November 6, 2008 Quotetoodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #22 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote toodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. don't worry quade, it won't. it has your germs all over it. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #23 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote Quote toodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. don't worry quade, it won't. it has your germs all over it. I've never metaphor I didn't like, but . . . uh . . . that didn't even make sense! quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #24 November 6, 2008 Quoteit is not hateful to want to defend the institution of marriage. Do you think that a divorce ban would be a good way to defend the institution of marriage? Back in 1967, when some states still had laws banning interracial marriage, this is what the Supreme Court had to say: QuoteMarriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State. I hope that we will one day be hearing something similar from the Court regarding same-sex marriage. We shouldn't be allowing a simple majority vote to take away rights from a minority group of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites micro 0 #25 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote toodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. don't worry quade, it won't. it has your germs all over it. I've never metaphor I didn't like, but . . . uh . . . that didn't even make sense! i don't want your germs on my ass quade, so i won't let... aw fuck it... never mind... criminy you're dense. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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micro 0 #9 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteHow predictable. Prop 8 gets passed and a thread appears in which religious people start getting bashed. Is what I said not true? How many people do you know that are religious who have had sex before marriage? Who have gotten divorced? Who have had children out of wedlock? Catholics who use contraception? Yet most of them are against gay marriage because it's "wrong in the eyes of the church". People want to call themselves religious and faithful yet they only pick and choose with "rules" they feel like following. My wife did not have sex before marriage. She has never used contraception. She's never been divorced. While she enjoys a good glass of wine, she has never abuse alcohol or drugs. She is, by far, one of the happiest, most joyfilled persons I have ever met in my life. The same with all of her sisters. Same with many of our Catholic friends. However, I have no doubt that you or perhaps someone else may make some disparaging remark about my wife, her siblings or some of our friends. Still, the truth is what it is. I know these people. That is not the same with me. I'm a former drug addict who was a complete man-whore before I discovered faith. True about many of my friends. The difference between this group and the former group is that we believe in change. That people can make mistakes in life but later correct those mistakes and live better lives. The stories of recovering addicts are perfect examples here. However, if a person is "overly" religious, you would perfer to call them a hypocrite. There is a third group who does in fact pick and chose what tenets of their religious they want to follow, all the while condemning others for their choices in life. I have nothing but contempt for such people. That sort of cafetia-religiousity, that lukewarm banality is nauseating and indeed is something to be condemned. However, it is an injustice to brand EVERY person of faith with that brush. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #10 November 6, 2008 QuoteMy wife did not have sex before marriage. She has never used contraception. She's never been divorced. While she enjoys a good glass of wine, she has never abuse alcohol or drugs. She is, by far, one of the happiest, most joyfilled persons I have ever met in my life. The same with all of her sisters. Same with many of our Catholic friends. However, I have no doubt that you or perhaps someone else may make some disparaging remark about my wife, her siblings or some of our friends. Still, the truth is what it is. I know these people. Absolutely not. Well, not me anyway. I respect other people and what they believe in (as long as it's not pushed on me). I have a very Catholic family as well. The fact is, your wife is the exception, not the rule. Most people do not follow their religion like your wife, though there are some who do. The part that gets me is that I would put money on the majority of "yes" prop 8 voters to be those people who pick and choose the rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #11 November 6, 2008 Quote Uh, I don't think there is a "sponsor" on the opposition side. If you "know" then why are you in the least bit surprised by the reaction? every side has sponsors, if by sponsor you mean the people/organizations who are ponying up the funds either side. Quote If an insane rabid dog bit you, I wouldn't be surprised if harbored ill will toward insane rabid dogs. And if that insane rabid dog had bit you before . . . (kinda like prop 22) . . . my guess is your ill will is pretty justified. Nice, quade nice. True colors showin on through pal. Same old story. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 November 6, 2008 QuoteTrue colors showin on through . . . Red, White and Blue . . . pal . . . with liberty and justice for ALL.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #13 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote My wife did not have sex before marriage. She has never used contraception. She's never been divorced. While she enjoys a good glass of wine, she has never abuse alcohol or drugs. She is, by far, one of the happiest, most joyfilled persons I have ever met in my life. The same with all of her sisters. Same with many of our Catholic friends. However, I have no doubt that you or perhaps someone else may make some disparaging remark about my wife, her siblings or some of our friends. Still, the truth is what it is. I know these people. Absolutely not. Well, not me anyway. I respect other people and what they believe in (as long as it's not pushed on me). I have a very Catholic family as well. The fact is, your wife is the exception, not the rule. Most people do not follow their religion like your wife, though there are some who do. The part that gets me is that I would put money on the majority of "yes" prop 8 voters to be those people who pick and choose the rules. Thank you for the respect. I'm sorry for lumping you automatically in a category you don't deserve to be in. I'm justifiably very defensive of my beloved wife, she's very dear to me (she is of course, my wife! ). I'm shell-shocked from living in secular society that does not respect the choices we have made and that feels very free to express their disdain in very vocal and rude ways towards us and our peers. Unfortunately there are too many people who are as you describe. I would however be hesitant to say that "most" of them are as you say. Maybe it's the eternal optimist of my wife coming through. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #14 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteTrue colors showin on through . . . Red, White and Blue . . . pal . . . with liberty and justice for ALL. Except those that don't share your beliefs... then it's malign and attack. Those are the values of a true patriot, quade and you're displaying them in exemplary style. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 November 6, 2008 QuoteI'm shell-shocked from living in secular society that does not respect the choices we have made and that feels very free to express their disdain in very vocal and rude ways towards us and our peers. Imagine having some group that tried to pass an Amendment against that lifestyle. You've supplied your own intolerance irony.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #16 November 6, 2008 QuoteQuoteI'm shell-shocked from living in secular society that does not respect the choices we have made and that feels very free to express their disdain in very vocal and rude ways towards us and our peers. Imagine having some group that tried to pass an Amendment against that lifestyle. You've supplied your own intolerance irony. Our society, and in fact civiliation, is built on the instituation of marriage and the family. And because people like you can't have your way, a way you think in all your 30 or 40 years of wisdom is so much better than so many millions of others, you spew your hate and vitriol towards people who want to preserve the very institution that keeps society healthy. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 November 6, 2008 QuoteOur society, and in fact civiliation, is built on the instituation of marriage and the family. Really? Support that with anything. Anything at all. There is no basis in anthropology for it I can assure you. Please, show me where that is a "fact." Quote And because people like you can't have your way, a way you think in all your 30 or 40 years of wisdom is so much better than so many millions of others, you spew your hate and vitriol towards people who want to preserve the very institution that keeps society healthy. Not even close. I don't even have a dog in this hunt. I do however understand the concept of compassion for my fellow humans.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #18 November 6, 2008 QuoteOur society, and in fact civiliation, is built on the instituation of marriage and the family. Actually, our society was built upon freedom, and the separation of church and state, to name a few things. QuoteAnd because people like you can't have your way, a way you think in all your 30 or 40 years of wisdom is so much better than so many millions of others, you spew your hate and vitriol towards people who want to preserve the very institution that keeps society healthy. Really. Really? He is spewing hate? Wait a minute, I forgot... who is the one that thinks consenting adults should not be able to live their lives as they choose, because it offends his religious sensibilities? And you call the people who defend those rights hateful? What are those people doing to your rights? Where is their hate? Why are you blind to your own? I cannot comprehend such a beautiful instance of irony.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 November 6, 2008 I agree with what some others have said: Get the government out of the marriage business entirely. When you turn 18, you get to assign one person who will be your partner in all the legal crap that government needs to be concerned with, such as inheritance, visitation rights, living wills, etc. etc. Before you get married that person could be a parent or sibling or friend or whatever. You can assign whomever you want. The government will no longer be in a position to say yes or no to ANY marriage. and there will be nothing to argue about. People are capable of protecting family values without the Almighty Government holding their hand. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #20 November 6, 2008 um... pardon me, but if you would go back and read... he was the one who referred to certain people as "insane rabid dogs" and, for your edification, it does not, let me repeat, does not, mr. assumptionata, offend any of my religious sensibilities for anyone to live their life as they chose. it is not hateful to want to defend the institution of marriage. if two men or two women want to live their lives "as they choose", that's not my concern. just don't call it marriage. that's a farce. it is hateful to resort to name calling and spewing vitriolic prejudices, like quade does so well, when segments of society can't advance their liberal agenda. i have done no such name calling. i believe that you have a fundamental comprehension problem in this thread. i've had enough of y'alls sour grapes. toodleloo! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 November 6, 2008 Quotetoodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #22 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote toodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. don't worry quade, it won't. it has your germs all over it. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote Quote toodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. don't worry quade, it won't. it has your germs all over it. I've never metaphor I didn't like, but . . . uh . . . that didn't even make sense! quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #24 November 6, 2008 Quoteit is not hateful to want to defend the institution of marriage. Do you think that a divorce ban would be a good way to defend the institution of marriage? Back in 1967, when some states still had laws banning interracial marriage, this is what the Supreme Court had to say: QuoteMarriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State. I hope that we will one day be hearing something similar from the Court regarding same-sex marriage. We shouldn't be allowing a simple majority vote to take away rights from a minority group of people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #25 November 6, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote toodleloo! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. don't worry quade, it won't. it has your germs all over it. I've never metaphor I didn't like, but . . . uh . . . that didn't even make sense! i don't want your germs on my ass quade, so i won't let... aw fuck it... never mind... criminy you're dense. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
