AggieDave 6 #26 November 5, 2008 QuoteTo be sure. I could actually see a civil war of sorts breaking out. Are you prepared? PM me if you'd like to discuss what I believe prepared is, but I'm sure you have your own concept of what you need to be prepared. Prepared for disasters of any such that could disrupt social order and services.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #27 November 5, 2008 Quote Oh, BTW, here's a somewhat gruesome trivia question; who would be President of the US if Obama were to be assassinated today? Assasinated TODAY? George W. Bush. Who would be president after Jan 20, 2009 ... not sure. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #28 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote Oh, BTW, here's a somewhat gruesome trivia question; who would be President of the US if Obama were to be assassinated today? It would be Bush until January 20, after which it would be Biden. Blues, Dave Nope. Try again. Section 3 of the 20th amendment reads: QuoteSection 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. How is that not applicable to this scenario? Edit to add: Nevermind, I see where my mistake was. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #29 November 5, 2008 How many "attempts" of those sorts were there on the life of _any_ president? I don't think Obama is in any more danger than any previous president (or president-elect).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 November 5, 2008 QuoteAre you prepared? I think so. You never really know. I do know that I've lived through 3 major riots in L.A. during my life although I do think this, if it ever came to pass, has the potential to make those look like picnics.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #31 November 5, 2008 Obama isn't the president elect until December 20th when the electoral college votes. We only elected Electors yesterday. One scenario is that the dead guy could be elected president, the vp elected vp and then take over due to the dead inability to perform the duties. Another is the electoral college directly electing the vp candidate as president. Another is send it to the house like a tie.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 November 5, 2008 QuoteSection 3 of the 20th amendment reads: QuoteSection 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. How is that not applicable to this scenario? Because he's -not- the President Elect until the Electoral College meets the Monday after the second Wednesday in December; December 15th this time.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #33 November 5, 2008 QuoteI do think this, if it ever came to pass, has the potential to make those look like picnics. Which is probably the very thing that increases the threat on this particular president. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #34 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteTo be sure. I could actually see a civil war of sorts breaking out. Are you prepared? PM me if you'd like to discuss what I believe prepared is, but I'm sure you have your own concept of what you need to be prepared. Prepared for disasters of any such that could disrupt social order and services. How would you define prepared? I'm honestly curious. I only have a couple weeks supply of food. Maybe 5 days worth of water. No gasoline at all, aside from what's in the tank of my car. I'm betting (literally) that any disruption of civil society will be either quite short term in duration (in which case, I've got an assault rifle and a couple hundred rounds of ammo to see me through any lawlessness), or will be very long term (in which case the really valuable things are going to be skills that emerging communities need, like medical training--if that happens I'm hosed, but maybe my wife will help save me).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #35 November 5, 2008 Quote Oh, BTW, here's a somewhat gruesome trivia question; who would be President of the US if Obama were to be assassinated today?... The truth is . . . NOBODY KNOWS! There is no provision for what happens before the Electoral Collage meets in December. Well, thank goodness. I mean it'd be nice if we had one, but I feel better about racking my brain all morning (when the question also occurred to me first thing out of bed) and remaining stumped all day. Like others, I have had awful visions. But, that's not unusual for me. Often when I pull out into a busy street--despite have looked in all directions first--I have this brief image of another car plowing into the side of mine at 55 mph. I have a lot of moments like that. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #36 November 5, 2008 QuoteObama isn't the president elect until December 20th when the electoral college votes. We only elected Electors yesterday. One scenario is that the dead guy could be elected president, the vp elected vp and then take over due to the dead inability to perform the duties. Another is the electoral college directly electing the vp candidate as president. Another is send it to the house like a tie. The question is whether the dead guy is eligible. I doubt that the SCOTUS would rule that he is. The EC would have no choice but to choose from the eligible candidates. It would be McCain-Biden. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #37 November 5, 2008 QuoteIt would be McCain-Biden.I realize you must made that up, but, ya know -- I could live with that. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #38 November 5, 2008 He won't be assassinated. He'll have some pretty good security. And those who would want him assassinated would have to be pretty well on the inside to do it. There's little chance of a bomb or such thing being planted. Nobody can get close enough with a knife. That would leave a random individual with a handgun. And I see the odds of that as slim. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #39 November 5, 2008 QuoteThat would leave a random individual with a handgun. And I see the odds of that as slim. You're ruling out the use of long range sniper rifles?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #40 November 5, 2008 I would be concerned with 2 things, an improvised rocket propelled device, that has a long range and large warhead, and a .50 barret sniper rifle. Kills from ranges of 1.5 miles are possible. Basically, anytime he is outdoors making a speech or something, he is at risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #41 November 5, 2008 If Bush survived the last 4 years, I think Obama will be ok. His assasination would likely cause one of the darkest periods our country has ever seen. I think the riots we would see would borderline civil war. I wish any nutjobs that would think of killing him would have the slightest bit of common sense that NOBODY is going to benefit from that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #42 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteIt would be McCain-Biden.I realize you must made that up, but, ya know -- I could live with that. Wendy W. The constitution is very clear about who the electors can and cannot elect. The only other possibility I can see is Nader-Biden. (shudder) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #43 November 5, 2008 Quote I think the riots we would see would borderline civil war. No not Cival War but for certain a Race War and just what do you think the Sepratist have been planning and preparing for? Kinda erie his terms ends at the end of the Mayan Calendar huh.. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #44 November 5, 2008 Quote Quote I think the riots we would see would borderline civil war. No not Cival War but for certain a Race War and just what do you think the Sepratist have been planning and preparing for? Kinda erie his terms ends at the end of the Mayan Calendar huh.. ohhh nice catch www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kapaso 0 #45 November 5, 2008 QuoteHe won't be assassinated. He'll have some pretty good security. And those who would want him assassinated would have to be pretty well on the inside to do it. There's little chance of a bomb or such thing being planted. Nobody can get close enough with a knife. That would leave a random individual with a handgun. And I see the odds of that as slim. I think the major threat comes from someone with a .50 caliber rifle. Those are accurate over mile out and can punch through half inch steel. When Obama spoke last night did anyone notice how thick the clear barriers on either side of him were? Thick enough to stop .50 caliber would be my guess. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/06/60minutes/main665257.shtml [url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 November 5, 2008 QuoteThose are accurate over mile out and can punch through half inch steel. Not quite. They are as accurate as the shooter. Contrary to the uneducated belief, it is extremely difficult to accurately fire a weapon that far. Its much much more than simply using a high powered scope and placing the cross hairs on a target. The models that are off the shelf accurate for shots close to what you think they can do cost around $14,000. An optic to match that would be used for a shot like you think people can do, costs many thousands of dollars as well. Now at $3.00 to 5.00 a single round for "plink" ammo, I can see how you're concerned that neo-nazi you saw at Wal-Mart could pull this off. People watch too many movies and think that they're true!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #47 November 5, 2008 I would not be surprised if there was a successful attempt to assassinate him; and it would be a damn shame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #48 November 5, 2008 Do you guys realize the amount of skill required to reach out and touch someone from a mile out or more? Also the only way it'll punch through half inch steel plate is with Raufoss ammunition.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #49 November 5, 2008 QuoteIf Bush survived the last 4 years, I think Obama will be ok. Indeed - the almost irrational hatred by many on the left towards Bush did not result in an attempt, suggesting that Obama is at the same level of risk. The last attempt on the President was in the early 80s and was by a crazy man. Obama will survive until Nov, 2012, where he will face a tough reelection, one where his own party may put up real candidates against him. The hand he has been dealt isn't as bad as the one Carter got in 1977, but it's certainly not a good one. In 1984, Reagan got the indicators *back* to the level he started with, but he did have upward trends. Obama's best shot would be something similar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #50 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteI thought the FBI had already stopped one attempt on his life by white extreamists. If you call that an attempt and you actually think that it had a chance in hell at succeeding to that level, then I have serious doubts about you. I agree, BUT Obama had Secret Service protection well before the primaries were over, which is most unusual (Hillary had it, but she is automatic as former 1st Lady).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
