Remster 30 #26 November 5, 2008 QuoteHitler was a great leader in the aspect that people followed him.... but where did he lead them? And we're done!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #27 November 5, 2008 QuoteWhat good is a leader if he leads you in the wrong direction? See, "recent history". Quote Also, how can someone be a "dictator" in our government system?[/reply See, "recent history". Quote Once again, how can we consider someone capable of leading us somewhere when they have never accomplished anything in the area we want them to lead us? Obama has been very successful at setting high goals, plotting out a strategy, and then achieving those goals (with the exception of his loss to Bobby Rush). The guy is the poster child for the very type of leadership, work ethic and achievement that most people from the right wing, and certainly here in SC, are constantly crying out for. And this was done without the benefit of any sort of legacy program. His campaign was run almost flawlessly. He has tremendous appeal and respect in the global community. He's a quick learner. He's well spoken. He's smart. These are all attributes that we used to expect of our leaders. He's got 'em, and I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll do the best job possible. Maybe I'm wrong and history will tell, but even though he's inheriting a huge mess, he's got the ability to be a great President. I expect he will be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #28 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteI thought both the concession speech by McCain and the thank you speech by Obama were very gracious. I don't care who you are, if you weren't moved by both speeches, you have no heart. Concur. Both speeches were well-crafted, well-delivered, gracious, and im-ever-ho, honestly spoken and truly intentioned. Both candidates made me proud to be an American last night. VR/Marg Well what did you expect from McCain? A 'fuck that nigger for winning" speech? Of course he said what he said, the entire nation was watching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nerdgirl 0 #29 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI thought both the concession speech by McCain and the thank you speech by Obama were very gracious. I don't care who you are, if you weren't moved by both speeches, you have no heart. Concur. Both speeches were well-crafted, well-delivered, gracious, and im-ever-ho, honestly spoken and truly intentioned. Both candidates made me proud to be an American last night. Well what did you expect from McCain? A 'fuck that nigger for winning" speech? Of course he said what he said, the entire nation was watching. Of course not. There is a spectrum of possible responses that both could have taken rather than the binary choice you suggest. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #30 November 5, 2008 Ion01 - you've just had 8 years - eight years!! with a "leader" who has dragged your country down big time and has done nothing that you advocated in your post that a good leader should do.... So what exactly is your point? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #31 November 5, 2008 QuoteHe is more than simply a good speaker. Perhaps the most important quality in a President is leadership, and make no mistake about this...leadership is an individual skill, not something inherent to a title. Obama is a leader. He compels people to want to follow him. By contrast, Bush has been more of a dictator, claiming to be "the decider" and running roughshod over the Constitution and our nation's good reputation. I, for one, am excited about having a leader who actually leads. He may take us down a few wrong paths, as would anyone in that position, but overall I think he'll take us in the right direction. Blues, Dave I would agree President elect Obama is an excellent speaker which is an important leadership skill. However, I'm not so ready to call him a good leader. That remains to be seen. He has placed an incredible amount of pressure upon his own shoulders by giving Americans, nie.... the world hope. Not delivering upon hope is much worse than not giving hope at all. I do not envy him.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #32 November 5, 2008 I felt a shiver going up my leg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tigra 0 #33 November 5, 2008 I expected nothing less than a good inspirational speech from Obama. He delivered. I expected a gracious speech from McCain- of course- as you said, the whole country was watching. But McCain went above and beyond- his concession speech was gracious, humble and inspiring at the same time. I had tears in my eyes, and I really did not expect that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #34 November 5, 2008 QuoteHe is more than simply a good speaker. Perhaps the most important quality in a President is leadership, and make no mistake about this...leadership is an individual skill, not something inherent to a title. Obama is a leader. He compels people to want to follow him. By contrast, Bush has been more of a dictator, claiming to be "the decider" and running roughshod over the Constitution and our nation's good reputation. I, for one, am excited about having a leader who actually leads. He may take us down a few wrong paths, as would anyone in that position, but overall I think he'll take us in the right direction.He doesn't compel me. I see him for exactly what he is; a slick, used car salesman, sans bright plaid coat and ten dollar cigar. Of course, if you are used to getting your hoopde from the No money down, $50 a week, til the day you die, car lot, I'm sure it would be easy to buy into his message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #35 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteHe is more than simply a good speaker. Perhaps the most important quality in a President is leadership, and make no mistake about this...leadership is an individual skill, not something inherent to a title. Obama is a leader. He compels people to want to follow him. By contrast, Bush has been more of a dictator, claiming to be "the decider" and running roughshod over the Constitution and our nation's good reputation. I, for one, am excited about having a leader who actually leads. He may take us down a few wrong paths, as would anyone in that position, but overall I think he'll take us in the right direction.He doesn't compel me. I see him for exactly what he is; a slick, used car salesman, sans bright plaid coat and ten dollar cigar. Of course, if you are used to getting your hoopde from the No money down, $50 a week, til the day you die, car lot, I'm sure it would be easy to buy into his message. What you or I perceive him to be doesn't affect what he is. I've gotten exceedingly good deals on my last 5 or 6 car purchases and consider myself pretty good at seeing through BS used car salesman tactics. Time will tell whether it's you, me, or both of use who are mistaken, but until then I won't consider your unwillingness to follow to be a character fault of Obama's. I suspect you wouldn't support anyone with a (D) after their name, regardless of their wisdom or abilities. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" 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Conundrum 1 #28 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteI thought both the concession speech by McCain and the thank you speech by Obama were very gracious. I don't care who you are, if you weren't moved by both speeches, you have no heart. Concur. Both speeches were well-crafted, well-delivered, gracious, and im-ever-ho, honestly spoken and truly intentioned. Both candidates made me proud to be an American last night. VR/Marg Well what did you expect from McCain? A 'fuck that nigger for winning" speech? Of course he said what he said, the entire nation was watching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #29 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteI thought both the concession speech by McCain and the thank you speech by Obama were very gracious. I don't care who you are, if you weren't moved by both speeches, you have no heart. Concur. Both speeches were well-crafted, well-delivered, gracious, and im-ever-ho, honestly spoken and truly intentioned. Both candidates made me proud to be an American last night. Well what did you expect from McCain? A 'fuck that nigger for winning" speech? Of course he said what he said, the entire nation was watching. Of course not. There is a spectrum of possible responses that both could have taken rather than the binary choice you suggest. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 November 5, 2008 Ion01 - you've just had 8 years - eight years!! with a "leader" who has dragged your country down big time and has done nothing that you advocated in your post that a good leader should do.... So what exactly is your point? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #31 November 5, 2008 QuoteHe is more than simply a good speaker. Perhaps the most important quality in a President is leadership, and make no mistake about this...leadership is an individual skill, not something inherent to a title. Obama is a leader. He compels people to want to follow him. By contrast, Bush has been more of a dictator, claiming to be "the decider" and running roughshod over the Constitution and our nation's good reputation. I, for one, am excited about having a leader who actually leads. He may take us down a few wrong paths, as would anyone in that position, but overall I think he'll take us in the right direction. Blues, Dave I would agree President elect Obama is an excellent speaker which is an important leadership skill. However, I'm not so ready to call him a good leader. That remains to be seen. He has placed an incredible amount of pressure upon his own shoulders by giving Americans, nie.... the world hope. Not delivering upon hope is much worse than not giving hope at all. I do not envy him.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #32 November 5, 2008 I felt a shiver going up my leg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #33 November 5, 2008 I expected nothing less than a good inspirational speech from Obama. He delivered. I expected a gracious speech from McCain- of course- as you said, the whole country was watching. But McCain went above and beyond- his concession speech was gracious, humble and inspiring at the same time. I had tears in my eyes, and I really did not expect that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #34 November 5, 2008 QuoteHe is more than simply a good speaker. Perhaps the most important quality in a President is leadership, and make no mistake about this...leadership is an individual skill, not something inherent to a title. Obama is a leader. He compels people to want to follow him. By contrast, Bush has been more of a dictator, claiming to be "the decider" and running roughshod over the Constitution and our nation's good reputation. I, for one, am excited about having a leader who actually leads. He may take us down a few wrong paths, as would anyone in that position, but overall I think he'll take us in the right direction.He doesn't compel me. I see him for exactly what he is; a slick, used car salesman, sans bright plaid coat and ten dollar cigar. Of course, if you are used to getting your hoopde from the No money down, $50 a week, til the day you die, car lot, I'm sure it would be easy to buy into his message. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #35 November 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteHe is more than simply a good speaker. Perhaps the most important quality in a President is leadership, and make no mistake about this...leadership is an individual skill, not something inherent to a title. Obama is a leader. He compels people to want to follow him. By contrast, Bush has been more of a dictator, claiming to be "the decider" and running roughshod over the Constitution and our nation's good reputation. I, for one, am excited about having a leader who actually leads. He may take us down a few wrong paths, as would anyone in that position, but overall I think he'll take us in the right direction.He doesn't compel me. I see him for exactly what he is; a slick, used car salesman, sans bright plaid coat and ten dollar cigar. Of course, if you are used to getting your hoopde from the No money down, $50 a week, til the day you die, car lot, I'm sure it would be easy to buy into his message. What you or I perceive him to be doesn't affect what he is. I've gotten exceedingly good deals on my last 5 or 6 car purchases and consider myself pretty good at seeing through BS used car salesman tactics. Time will tell whether it's you, me, or both of use who are mistaken, but until then I won't consider your unwillingness to follow to be a character fault of Obama's. I suspect you wouldn't support anyone with a (D) after their name, regardless of their wisdom or abilities. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
