JohnRich 4 #76 October 28, 2008 QuoteWhich is why we need FEWER, BETTER LAWS, with better enforcement. 30,000 gun laws on the books is simply absurd. Someone has hijacked kallend's user-I.D. and is posting pro-gun messages in his name! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #77 October 28, 2008 QuoteIt is paranoia like this that pretty much guarantees that the laws that will be passed will be over-reaching, reactionary and restrictive, instead of well thought out. "Well, we wanted a reasonable law, but then another few kids died and all the gun folks were calling us 'gun grabbers' and refusing to talk to us at all. So we banned assault weapons." It's not paranoia - it happens in real life. Over and over again. And it's been happening for decades. One man's "reasonable" gun law is another man's unreasonable gun law. And when you pile a whole bunch of "reasonable" gun laws together, one after another, every one restricting yet another aspect of guns, or going ever further than the last, then the entire package becomes unreasonable, as my example to Ladidadi illustrated. At some point you have to stop and draw a line in the sand, and say "no more". Attack the criminals, not the law-abiding gun owners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #78 October 28, 2008 QuoteAnd then the gun-grabbers . . . It is paranoia like this that pretty much guarantees that the laws that will be passed will be over-reaching, reactionary and restrictive, instead of well thought out. "Well, we wanted a reasonable law, but then another few kids died and all the gun folks were calling us 'gun grabbers' and refusing to talk to us at all. So we banned assault weapons." This is a weak argument. "Be reasonable or else!" The other side is not reasonable, and it's not paranoia. It only requires literacy skills. The other side used to be very clear about their intent. When faced with the reality that their views are not popular, they went underground, pretending to be reasonable, hoping to get the support of people like you. There is no incentive for gun owners to compromise with these people. Compromise and reasonableness only work when you deal with people acting in good faith. That doesn't apply to liars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,173 #79 October 28, 2008 >The other side is not reasonable . . . Neither extreme is reasonable. That's almost the definition of "extreme." >There is no incentive for gun owners to compromise with these people. Nor is there any incentive for average people to compromise with gun nuts. However, the great majority of people do see a reason to compromise with other reasonable people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #80 October 28, 2008 Yeah but you peg all pro-gun people as extreme. Hell you've called me extreme in this very thread when in actuality I'm just right of Kallend.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #81 October 28, 2008 Quote>The other side is not reasonable . . . Neither extreme is reasonable. That's almost the definition of "extreme." >There is no incentive for gun owners to compromise with these people. Nor is there any incentive for average people to compromise with gun nuts. However, the great majority of people do see a reason to compromise with other reasonable people. It is reasonable to say - I believe in the 2nd Amendment and don't want to cooperate with people who do not. Sorry, there's nothing extreme about this. Doctors don't need to cooperate with prolifers that bomb clinics either. Why should we cooperate with people who want to take away one's right to self defense? Fuck em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #82 October 28, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhich is why we need FEWER, BETTER LAWS, with better enforcement. 30,000 gun laws on the books is simply absurd. Someone has hijacked kallend's user-I.D. and is posting pro-gun messages in his name! If you weren't blinded by your preconceptions, you would have seen that I have posted pretty much the same thing many times.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #83 October 29, 2008 Quoteand the instructor that fucked up the instruction. Note that the instructor is the same sheriff who discharged a loaded rifle in 2003 while teaching a gun safety class. This is a sad incident and I wish it hadn't happened. The timing (right before Obama's likely win) couldn't be much worse either. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #84 October 29, 2008 QuoteNote that the instructor is the same sheriff who discharged a loaded rifle in 2003 while teaching a gun safety class. Edward Fleury, the guy of the 2003 incident, is report to be owner of COP Firearms & Training, the sponsor of this tragic gun even. I haven't seen where he was named as the instructor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #85 October 29, 2008 QuoteQuoteand the instructor that fucked up the instruction. Note that the instructor is the same sheriff who discharged a loaded rifle in 2003 while teaching a gun safety class. This is a sad incident and I wish it hadn't happened. The timing (right before Obama's likely win) couldn't be much worse either. Blues, Dave I wonder if he will loose his instructor rating this time, maybe a regulation change to forfeit instructor ratings due to an unplanned discharge would be the way to help prevent this, the guy is not a criminal who set about to use a gun in a crime, just an idiot that should not be teaching others, and possibly not even be allowed to own guns himself. I don't think this will have any impact on the election or the election any impact on the follow up to this death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
