jimmytavino 16 #1 October 22, 2008 ..... so... IF this guy truly IS a "terrorist"... AND IF we have such an " Anti-Terrorist " administration, complete with a Home Land SECURITY department.... then >>> Why is the guy Not in jail???<< I Do remember the WeatherMen underground group.... ( back then they were called radicals),,, but according to recent reports Mr. Ayers is still a free citizen,, isn't he??? wouldn't that indicate that he is NOT a ''terrorist''??? or am i simplifying things too much??? jmy ps. were not the colonists who hosted the Boston tea party and who preached revolution against the british also exhibiting behaviors which we then called freedom fighting, but would NOW label .... terrorism...???? just wondering Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #2 October 22, 2008 Bill Ayers, fast forward and you get Tim McVey. Let's say that Tim had done his time, and been released. 30 years later some politician has ties to Tim McVey, who's been quoted in the NY Times saying "I don't regret setting the bomb, we should have done more." Said politician launches his campaign in Tim's house, takes donations from Tim, sits on boards with Tim. I don't see a problem with that. You tell me, what's the difference between Tim McVey and Bill Ayers, other than the time line?Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 October 22, 2008 QuoteYou tell me, what's the difference between Tim McVey and Bill Ayers, other than the time line? Ayers never actually killed anyone. As I recall, none of the bombs planted by Ayers even injured anyone. I think the bomb at the Pentagon was about 2 pounds of explosives and broke a water pipe? True, his wife/girlfriend did blow herself up trying to make one that would, but . . . that wasn't Ayers.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #4 October 22, 2008 QuoteYou tell me, what's the difference between Tim McVey and Bill Ayers, other than the time line? Tim McVey was convicted in a court of law. Also, you forgot to add in the part where McVey becomes an education reformer, is named a Chicagoan of the Year, and does his work on bi-partisan boards funded by prominent Republicans. Otherwise, I agree, not much difference, assuming Ayers was actually a bomber. I would dispute, however, your characterisation of Obama's relatioship with Ayers, especially the part about launching his political career in Ayer's house. No fan of Ayers, but this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 October 22, 2008 Just because someone has gone to prison, it doesn't mean they're a bad person, just that they may have made a mistake. Just because someone has not gone to prison does not mean that they're a good person...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #6 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou tell me, what's the difference between Tim McVey and Bill Ayers, other than the time line? Ayers never actually killed anyone. As I recall, none of the bombs planted by Ayers even injured anyone. I think the bomb at the Pentagon was about 2 pounds of explosives and broke a water pipe? True, his wife/girlfriend did blow herself up trying to make one that would, but . . . that wasn't Ayers. Motivation was the same, McVey was simply more proficient. McVey didn't live enough to advance to the pillar of society Ayres has become. What a waste of potential.Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #7 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteYou tell me, what's the difference between Tim McVey and Bill Ayers, other than the time line? Ayers never actually killed anyone. As I recall, none of the bombs planted by Ayers even injured anyone. I think the bomb at the Pentagon was about 2 pounds of explosives and broke a water pipe? True, his wife/girlfriend did blow herself up trying to make one that would, but . . . that wasn't Ayers. The Weather Underground's policy prior to that little accident in Greenwich Village was innocent casualties are acceptable. It wasn't until the nailbomb, they were going to set off at an Army Officers' Ball, accidently detonated in their house did they decide to start calling in bomb threats to minimize the chances of a casualty. Fortunately for him, because he was lucky enough not to kill anyone, the statute of limitations (5 years) ran out before he CONFESSED.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 October 22, 2008 QuoteMotivation was the same . . . Doubtful. The Weathermen were doing bombings, but they were blowing up statues and setting off bombs the size of large firecrackers by comparison. The bombing against the Pentagon wasn't anything that any reasonable person could ever possibly expect to actually kill anyone. McVey, on the other hand deliberately timed his attack and used enough so that it is inconceivable to think he didn't know people would die.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #9 October 22, 2008 Quoteps. were not the colonists who hosted the Boston tea party and who preached revolution against the british also exhibiting behaviors which we then called freedom fighting, but would NOW label .... terrorism...???? The colonists were in fact terrorists of their day. However they did not target innocents to get their message across. The Weather Underground did.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 October 22, 2008 QuoteThe colonists were in fact terrorists of their day. However they did not target innocents to get their message across. The Weather Underground did. I think you're being a little liberal with your use of the word "innocents." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization) Show me where the Weathermen TARGETED "innocents."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #11 October 22, 2008 QuoteOn March 6, 1970, during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University,[25] there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house when the nail bomb being constructed prematurely detonated for unknown reasons. You don't put nails in a bomb unless you intend on hurting people.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 October 22, 2008 Was any bomb like that ever actually used by the Weathermen (let alone Ayers himself)? Again, from the point of view of the Weathermen, where are the "innocents" you had talked about?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #13 October 22, 2008 No it wasn't used BUT the intent was there. It's like the guy on Dateline NBC showing up to talk to Chris Hansen with a 12 pack of beer and condoms in his car. You're damn right there was intent. And as far as innocents go....your damn right those Army officers AND their dates/wives were innocent.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 October 22, 2008 QuoteBill Ayers, fast forward and you get Tim McVey. Let's say that Tim had done his time, and been released. 30 years later some politician has ties to Tim McVey, The difference that seems inescapable is that McVey got the death penalty and so no one will be hanging out with him in 30 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 October 22, 2008 Quote The colonists were in fact terrorists of their day. However they did not target innocents to get their message across. The Weather Underground did. This is a rosy look back to the Revolution. It wasn't so different from the Civil War, just the other side were English and Loyalists. Didn't you see Mel Gibson's movie? (Braveheart II) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #16 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuote The colonists were in fact terrorists of their day. However they did not target innocents to get their message across. The Weather Underground did. This is a rosy look back to the Revolution. It wasn't so different from the Civil War, just the other side were English and Loyalists. Didn't you see Mel Gibson's movie? (Braveheart II) I'm confused as to what part of what I said was rosy.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #17 October 22, 2008 Quote You tell me, what's the difference between Tim McVey and Bill Ayers, other than the time line? 168 deaths. One was convicted and executed, the other had all charges dropped.. The fact that Ayers said (4 days after the article came out) that the quote in the article (that you misquoted) was a deliberate distortion by the reporter of what he said.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 October 22, 2008 you say they didn't target innocents. Unless you define that term in a way that no one qualifies for (ie, anyone with an opinion was fair game for death or mayhem), it's not true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #19 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteOn March 6, 1970, during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University,[25] there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house when the nail bomb being constructed prematurely detonated for unknown reasons. You don't put nails in a bomb unless you intend on hurting people. Then why did they issue advance warnings so people could get away?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #20 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteOn March 6, 1970, during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University,[25] there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house when the nail bomb being constructed prematurely detonated for unknown reasons. You don't put nails in a bomb unless you intend on hurting people. Then why did they issue advance warnings so people could get away? they didn't do that until after Greenwichwww.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #21 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOn March 6, 1970, during preparations for the bombing of an officers' dance at the Fort Dix U.S. Army base and for Butler Library at Columbia University,[25] there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house when the nail bomb being constructed prematurely detonated for unknown reasons. You don't put nails in a bomb unless you intend on hurting people. Then why did they issue advance warnings so people could get away? they didn't do that until after Greenwich So? How many innocent victims did they kill? WHy did a "law and order" Republican administration drop all charges against him?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #22 October 23, 2008 You idolized Ayers and the WUO when you were younger didn't you?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #23 October 23, 2008 Quote You idolized Ayers and the WUO when you were younger didn't you? maybe he still does Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #24 October 23, 2008 Quote Quote You idolized Ayers and the WUO when you were younger didn't you? maybe he still does maybe he eats kittens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #25 October 23, 2008 You never know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
