Do animals....

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And humans are simply one species of said animals.

Yep.

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Well, thinking can create emotions for us. I'm saying they aren't that reflective therefore their emotions are more survivalistic at a basic level.

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90% voted yes so far.

Then is this not a holocaust?

Veal. Yummy. Looks like a lot of good dinners in those pics.

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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To me, it suggests one needs to think about how emotions are defined.

Exactly. The use of the phrase "human emotions" doesn't do this thread justice.

Thats why I used the term humn 'like' emotions.

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Elephants have been observed to mourn the loss of relatives or member of group, for example.

Elephants are the best example!
Here are a couple links for those interested:

PBS

Britannica

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Thats why I used the term humn 'like' emotions.

I sit corrected

Bottom line, many species on this planet not only have emotions, they also have free will, IMO.

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We use animals for all kinds of things besides food. Do you own any leather products?

What does that have to do with 'bella's point (whether or not farm animals should be treated & raised humanely)?

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free will

Yeah, well, you get what you pay for. However, I sometimes will give you one for cheap, as a loss leader.

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LOL!

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Marg pretty much summed up my answer.

And in my personal, biased and unscientific opinion purely based on my ample experience with animals , researching them & their behaviors and developing relationships with a select few super-cute fur balls, it is my assertion sometimes my dog even laughs.

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If you purchase or use any type of animal products then you are part of the problem.

What's the problem?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Aren't emotions just another form of stimuli?

No. Emotions are a response to stimuli. The stimulus can be internal or external.

True, an emotional response by one can then be the cause, and therefore the stimulus, for a response of another. So I guess you could have a chain of emotional reactions; but bottom lijne is that emotions are internally create responses to some stimulus or another.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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No, it is an honest question? If you purchase or use any type of animal products then you are part of the problem.

In all seriousness, doing so isn't impossible, but it can be quite difficult. Some products look ok with vinyl rather than leather, but it's pretty hard finding a pair of vinyl men's dress shoes that don't look like Wal Mart POS, or a decent baseball mitt or goalie's leg pads that don't have leather, etc. And it's practically impossible to assure that a product you buy wasn't assembled, at least in part, with animal-based adhesives. So, in reality, the best one can do is to simply do one's best, even if the result is something less than 100%.

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... but not like us as they are not so in tune with or even understand them.

Are you sure we are so in tune with or even understand them?

Call me Dr. Doolittle but, yes, they speak to me.

Kind of like the cow at the Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. They tell me they want to be eaten.

"Might I suggest a healthy serving of my upper hindquarter? (Grabbing own buttocks). It's really quite tender and tasty."

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No, it is an honest question? If you purchase or use any type of animal products then you are part of the problem.

Utilizing animal products is necessary. Abusing the animals in the process for the sake of a dollar is not. Not caring about the treatment of animals on animal farm makes you part of the problem...not me.

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If you purchase or use any type of animal products then you are part of the problem.

That's assumming that we all agree that there actually IS a problem. I'm not convinced that we've even done that yet.

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Elephants probably yes... but Mice, definitely, after all it was them that had the Earth built in the first place.

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... but not like us as they are not so in tune with or even understand them.

Are you sure we are so in tune with or even understand them?

Call me Dr. Doolittle but, yes, they speak to me.

Kind of like the cow at the Restaurant At The End Of The Universe. They tell me they want to be eaten.

"Might I suggest a healthy serving of my upper hindquarter? (Grabbing own buttocks). It's really quite tender and tasty."

I was referring to our emotions.

PS: Yes, those Ameglian Major Cows want to be eaten and are very humane when shooting themselves.

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it's pretty hard finding a pair of vinyl men's dress shoes that don't look like Wal Mart POS

Try here.

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the best one can do is to simply do one's best

You don't have to be perfect. You just have to be compassionate.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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True, an emotional response by one can then be the cause, and therefore the stimulus, for a response of another. So I guess you could have a chain of emotional reactions; but bottom lijne is that emotions are internally create responses to some stimulus or another.

Wow thats a very good response. Ive never really thought about it like that before.

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I forgot about that line; where the cow says he's just going to pop off and put a bullet in his head (or something like that).

Some funny shit.

Ya know, I watched that when it first came out, then again about 3 weeks ago. I missed it completely the first time (might have been really addled) that the girl in the diner was just about to conclude the experiment for which the Earth was built by uttering the secret to Life, the Universe & Everything just before the Vogons destroyed it.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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I just read this in my Best Friends magazine and it reminded me of your thread:

"Dogs find human yawns contagious, suggesting they have a rudimentary capacity for empathy, British scientists say.
Although yawning is widespread in many animals, contagious yawning--a yawn triggered by seeing others yawn--has previously only been shown to occur in humans and chimpanzees...with 72 percent of 29 dogs tested yawning after observing a person doing so..."

In related news, when I was a little girl and first started liking boys, I used to purposefully yawn to see if they were looking at me as I'd suspected. If they yawned soon after, I had my answer.

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I just read this in my Best Friends magazine and it reminded me of your thread:

"Dogs find human yawns contagious, suggesting they have a rudimentary capacity for empathy, British scientists say.
Although yawning is widespread in many animals, contagious yawning--a yawn triggered by seeing others yawn--has previously only been shown to occur in humans and chimpanzees...with 72 percent of 29 dogs tested yawning after observing a person doing so..."

In related news, when I was a little girl and first started liking boys, I used to purposefully yawn to see if they were looking at me as I'd suspected. If they yawned soon after, I had my answer.

Prolly that WIDE OPEN MOUTH EFFECT that did it.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Thats clever

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