billvon 3,173 #1 October 21, 2008 So the other day I was going to lunch at a local restaurant. The waiter had a "Say No to Socialism - Vote for McCain" button on. Lunch was great, and afterwards the waiter dropped the bill off. I dug out exact change and gave it to him. He looked in the folder as he picked it up, and he frowned a bit. "Let me explain about the no tip thing," I said. "I notice you are against socialism and for McCain. So you'll understand that you have no right to my money." "But that doesn't mean I'm cheap," I said. "I'm going to take half of what I would have tipped you and give it to the CEO of Chili's. That way, the company you work for will be enriched, and as McCain has pointed out many times, that will help you." "Further," I said, "no doubt the CEO of Chili's will make so much money that you will soon be making over a quarter million dollars a year. And at that point, you will be better off under McCain's tax plan. Heck, you could probably buy your own Chili's at that point without any onerous taxes from Obama." "So, overall, I am helping you out far more than I would be by giving you money that doesn't belong to you." For some odd reason, though, he didn't seem all that grateful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 October 21, 2008 Wealth Redistribution the Libertarian Way So the other day I was going to lunch at a local restaurant. The waiter had a "Vote Libertarian" button on. Lunch was good, as was his service, and afterwards the waiter dropped the bill off. "Do you take American Express?" I asked him. "We certainly do." He looked in the folder as he picked it up, and rant the card. He returned a couple of minutes later. I put the food bill on the Amex, and dug out five bucks for a tip, even though the bill was only twenty dollars. "Would you like me to break that fiver?" he asked. I said. "No. Keep the five. You did a great job, so your tip is commensurate with that." "Wow. In the last few minutes, I've had this Republican in here, who borrowed money from his kid to pay my tip. I had a Democrat who wanted to borrow money from me to tip me, but then left without paying any money because he said he couldn't afford it." Then he said, "Thanks." I said, "You're welcome. And here's another five bucks for the cook." Since he was libertarian, I know that the cook actually received it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #3 October 21, 2008 QuoteSo the other day I was going to lunch at a local restaurant. The waiter had a "Say No to Socialism - Vote for McCain" button on. Lunch was great, and afterwards the waiter dropped the bill off. I dug out exact change and gave it to him. He looked in the folder as he picked it up, and he frowned a bit. "Let me explain about the no tip thing," I said. "I notice you are against socialism and for McCain. So you'll understand that you have no right to my money." "But that doesn't mean I'm cheap," I said. "I'm going to take half of what I would have tipped you and give it to the CEO of Chili's. That way, the company you work for will be enriched, and as McCain has pointed out many times, that will help you." "Further," I said, "no doubt the CEO of Chili's will make so much money that you will soon be making over a quarter million dollars a year. And at that point, you will be better off under McCain's tax plan. Heck, you could probably buy your own Chili's at that point without any onerous taxes from Obama." "So, overall, I am helping you out far more than I would be by giving you money that doesn't belong to you." For some odd reason, though, he didn't seem all that grateful. The kid makes about $2.00 an hour, Bill. Way to be a beacon of light for the democratic party. I hope this is just an example so I don't lose that much respect for you. Under Obama's plan, he'd be better off just quitting and collecting a welfare check and free healthcare. Maybe if we all went out and stiffed our servers then that would teach them to just give up. Why work hard if people are going to fuck you over anyway and the government will hand you a check for nothing if you stay home? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #4 October 21, 2008 Quote Under Obama's plan, he'd be better off just quitting and collecting a welfare check and free healthcare. Can you point to the part of the plan that says that? Or are you just making stuff up again?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 #5 October 21, 2008 You win. --------------------------------------------- Every day is a bonus - every night is an adventure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #6 October 21, 2008 Wealth Redistribution the American Way So the other day I was going to lunch at a local restaurant. The waiter wasn't wearing any button. but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% by my own choice, not the mandate of the government. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,173 #7 October 21, 2008 > but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% . . . Socialist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #8 October 21, 2008 Quote> but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% . . . Socialist! You do realize they are taxed on 20% of their sales right?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #9 October 21, 2008 QuoteWealth Redistribution the American Way So the other day I was going to lunch at a local restaurant. The waiter wasn't wearing any button. but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% by my own choice, not the mandate of the government. So in this fairy tale, how did the defense contractors get theirs?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #10 October 21, 2008 Quote> but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% . . . Socialist! really? an individual giving someone money by their own choice is socialism? "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,173 #11 October 21, 2008 >The kid makes about $2.00 an hour, Bill. Right! Surely you do not advocate giving him money just because he's poor. That's so - Obama-ish. >Under Obama's plan, he'd be better off just quitting and collecting a >welfare check and free healthcare. Nope. He will always make more money by working. That's the big difference between welfare and tax credits. Heck, that's the whole rationale behind them. >Maybe if we all went out and stiffed our servers then that would teach >them to just give up. Nonsense! If you channel money to the CEO's instead of the servers, they do better in the end! Right? If not, better get McCain on the horn and set him straight, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #12 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuote> but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% . . . Socialist! You do realize they are taxed on 20% of their sales right? When did it go up? It used to be 8%.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #13 October 21, 2008 QuoteSo in this fairy tale, how did the defense contractors get theirs? classic kallend re-direct. we're talking about wealth redistibution here. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #14 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote> but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% . . . Socialist! You do realize they are taxed on 20% of their sales right? When did it go up? It used to be 8%. You're right. 20% of liquor sales is taxed. Remember that if you're buying a lot of liquor.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 October 21, 2008 Quote> but he gave me good service so I tipped him 20% . . . Socialist! That's not socialist. "Socialist" would be taking this guy's 20% and giving a portion to the lousy guy to balance things out. It's not fair that some should get good tips and others do not. It's capitalist to reward good service. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #16 October 21, 2008 Defense contracting is the biggest form of wealth distribution in America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,173 #17 October 21, 2008 > an individual giving someone money by their own choice is socialism? Feeling that someone is "owed" money because of their financial status (i.e. "you realize they only make $2.00 an hour? You better tip him!") is the basis of wealth redistribution. No, tipping is not really socialism. Nor is Obama's tax plan - even if it does help people making $2.00 an hour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 October 21, 2008 Really? It is admittedly a pretty substantial sum. But it's nothing compared to Medicare ans Social Security. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,173 #19 October 21, 2008 >That's not socialist. "Socialist" would be taking this guy's 20% and giving a > portion to the lousy guy to balance things out. It's not fair that some >should get good tips and others do not. Of course it's not socialist; that's my point. It is no more socialist than changing the highest tax rate from 36 to 39.6% is socialist. >It's capitalist to reward good service. No, it's capitalist to make (and keep) as much money as possible. It's nice to give someone an optional tip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #20 October 21, 2008 You are right. It is nothing compared to SS. It is more. But Ss and Medicare added up is more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_federal_budget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #21 October 21, 2008 Just looking the budget makes you wonder why we all can't have health care for 700 billion dollars? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #22 October 21, 2008 Quote Maybe if we all went out and stiffed our servers then that would teach them to just give up. Or maybe it would teach them that people don't want to have the server's political views shoved in their faces while they're having lunch at Chili's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #23 October 21, 2008 That'd mean $2,300 of health care per person in the US. That's without administrative and bureacratic costs. The US spent 2.3 trillion in 2007. Yes, if we could only spend 700 billion, think of what we could get. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #24 October 21, 2008 QuoteDefense contracting is the biggest form of wealth distribution in America. no, that is not wealth redistribution. wealth redistribution is when you take money from someone rich and give it to someone who is poor. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #25 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteDefense contracting is the biggest form of wealth distribution in America. no, that is not wealth redistribution. wealth redistribution is when you take money from someone rich and give it to someone who is poor. Don't be silly. Taking tax money from Joe the Plumber and giving it to the CEO of a defense contractor is wealth redistribution too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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