headoverheels 334 #1 October 21, 2008 Palin is looking more like someone competing with McCain in a primary, than someone running as VP on the ticket. Would McCain be seen as being incompetent for having picked her to begin with (ok, maybe he already is) and then changing, or would he be seen as someone willing to recognize a mistake and correct it? Would it increase or decrease the votes for McCain? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #2 October 21, 2008 Quote Palin is looking more like someone competing with McCain in a primary, than someone running as VP on the ticket. Would McCain be seen as being incompetent for having picked her to begin with (ok, maybe he already is) and then changing, or would he be seen as someone willing to recognize a mistake and correct it? Would it increase or decrease the votes for McCain? She sure criticized his robo-call strategy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #3 October 21, 2008 It would almost certainly help him; she has the lowest ratings for a VP candidate in the past few decades: "Mrs. Palin’s negative rating is the highest for a vice-presidential candidate as measured by The Times and CBS News. Even Dan Quayle, with whom Mrs. Palin is often compared because of her age and inexperience on the national scene, was not viewed as negatively in the 1988 campaign." It would also reassure people that he is willing to fix problems instead of defending a bad policy to the death. It would, overall, help him (although whether it would help him _enough_ is a good question.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #4 October 21, 2008 WOW that is an interesting concept i thought , when he first chose her, that it was a desperate move. If he dumps her now,,, THAT would be even MORE desperate... .... and evidence of a chaotic situation.. However IF he Chose Hillary!!!!!!! That would light up the message boards and media centers EVERYWHERE!!!! hahahahaha.. jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #5 October 21, 2008 QuoteShe sure criticized his robo-call strategy. And then put out one the next day. Flip Flop. Flip Flop._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #6 October 21, 2008 Quote And then put out one the next day. Flip Flop. Flip Flop. Kind of like Obama and campaign finance reform that I've heard brought up again within the last few days. I'm suprised more has not been made of this seeing as I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 October 21, 2008 I'll buck the trend and say No. Unless he were to replace her with someone HUGELY popular, it would just cement the charge that he's erratic, and weird. Right now, though he's certainly behind, he's still got a fighting chance, due mainly because the Quiet Negrophobia Factor is such a wildcard. But if he dumped Palin at this late date, it would be the final nail in the coffin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuote And then put out one the next day. Flip Flop. Flip Flop. Kind of like Obama and campaign finance reform that I've heard brought up again within the last few days. I'm suprised more has not been made of this seeing as I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. McCain rolled the dice to go with Federal money, while Obama rolled the dice to not do so. Each strategy had its repsective potential risks versus rewards. Obama's dice came up Seven; McCain's dice came up Snake Eyes. Atsa way it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #9 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuote And then put out one the next day. Flip Flop. Flip Flop. Kind of like Obama and campaign finance reform that I've heard brought up again within the last few days. I'm suprised more has not been made of this seeing as I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. Special Interests - whose average contribution is $86. That makes nearly 2 million of them in September alone. Kinda hard to be special when part of a multi-million person landslide.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #10 October 21, 2008 Quote I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. They gotta spend all those donations somehow. Certainly no more "special interests" than McCain, and a lot more small donors. I paid for about 1 second of the half-hour spot that the Obama campaign is buying during prime time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #11 October 21, 2008 >I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special >intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. More than half of his funding has come from individuals donating $200 or less. On the other hand, McCain has taken federal funding, and thus is using the socialist model for campaign funds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuote And then put out one the next day. Flip Flop. Flip Flop. Kind of like Obama and campaign finance reform that I've heard brought up again within the last few days. I'm suprised more has not been made of this seeing as I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. You think Obama is being funded by special interests? It's my impression that Obama is getting most of his funds from individual voters. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #13 October 21, 2008 QuoteUnless he were to replace her with someone HUGELY popular Yeah, like if he were to dump her and pick Colin Powell... Oh, nevermind. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #14 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote And then put out one the next day. Flip Flop. Flip Flop. Kind of like Obama and campaign finance reform that I've heard brought up again within the last few days. I'm suprised more has not been made of this seeing as I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. McCain rolled the dice to go with Federal money, while Obama rolled the dice to not do so. Each strategy had its repsective potential risks versus rewards. Obama's dice came up Seven; McCain's dice came up Snake Eyes. Atsa way it goes. But both agreed to public financing and Obama "Flip Flopped" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteUnless he were to replace her with someone HUGELY popular Yeah, like if he were to dump her and pick Colin Powell... Oh, nevermind. Forget it. A medium-skinned man of partial African heritage could never be a viable candidate in this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #16 October 21, 2008 QuoteBut both agreed to public financing and Obama "Flip Flopped" And Obama has addressed that topic....about 4 months back. Desperation doesn't look good. The RNC should just give whatever money they have to the few remaining Senate seats they have a chance at and give up on McCain._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #17 October 21, 2008 >But both agreed to public financing . . . Why, you have a Pulitzer in store for you there if you can get your proof out there! If he agreed to public financing, and then went over the limits, he is guilty of fraud, and you will surely change the course of the election by publicizing your findings. You will be the hero of every republican in America, and people will refer to the "Klingelhoefer factor" in future elections to symbolize the guy who found the fact that everyone else overlooked in the nick of time. Go, man, go! Before it's too late! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 October 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote And then put out one the next day. Flip Flop. Flip Flop. Kind of like Obama and campaign finance reform that I've heard brought up again within the last few days. I'm suprised more has not been made of this seeing as I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. McCain rolled the dice to go with Federal money, while Obama rolled the dice to not do so. Each strategy had its repsective potential risks versus rewards. Obama's dice came up Seven; McCain's dice came up Snake Eyes. Atsa way it goes. But both agreed to public financing and Obama "Flip Flopped" True or not, that won't sway a single "swing vote". The game is what it is. One coach chose a passing game, the other coach chose a running game. And that's the bottom line. Quit whining about the other team because your coach's strategy didn't work. Direct your bitching at your own team's coach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #19 October 21, 2008 Quote>I see Obama comercials 10-1 as compaired to McCain, but when it's special >intrests paying the tab, I guess that is easy to do. More than half of his funding has come from individuals donating $200 or less. On the other hand, McCain has taken federal funding, and thus is using the socialist model for campaign funds. "Obama Even Referred To His Plan As A "Fundraising Pledge" For His Opponents To Accept. Obama: "In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge." (Sen. Barack Obama, "Presidential Candidate Questionnaire," Midwest Democracy Network, www.commoncause.org, 11/27/07) -- Obama: "If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election." (Sen. Barack Obama, "Presidential Candidate Questionnaire," Midwest Democracy Network, www.commoncause.org, 11/27/07) FLIP FLOP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #20 October 21, 2008 >FLIP FLOP Like I said, post your proof that he accepted public financing and you can guarantee McCain will win the election, after Obama is indicted for fraud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #21 October 21, 2008 Quote>But both agreed to public financing . . . Why, you have a Pulitzer in store for you there if you can get your proof out there! If he agreed to public financing, and then went over the limits, he is guilty of fraud, and you will surely change the course of the election by publicizing your findings. You will be the hero of every republican in America, and people will refer to the "Klingelhoefer factor" in future elections to symbolize the guy who found the fact that everyone else overlooked in the nick of time. Go, man, go! Before it's too late! Saying something and doing something else happens all the time, hense the term flip flop. Obama said he was for finance reform and would sign an agreement with the republican nominee, and then when it came time to "agree" FLIP FLOP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #22 October 21, 2008 Ah, I see. So when you said that "both agreed to public financing" you meant that "both said they might use public financing" or that "both pursued public financing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #23 October 21, 2008 QuoteAh, I see. So when you said that "both agreed to public financing" you meant that "both said they might use public financing" or that "both pursued public financing." And made it a part of their campaign. edit for the spelling nazis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 October 21, 2008 Quote Special Interests - whose average contribution is $86. That makes nearly 2 million of them in September alone. Kinda hard to be special when part of a multi-million person landslide. And this is why the NRA has so much power. 3-5M contributing 50-100$ a year. even if Obama somehow loses, that's quite a force that could be harnessed in the midterm election. And if he wins, it may be used to buck the historical trends where the WH loses in the midterm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 October 21, 2008 Quote Would McCain be seen as being incompetent for having picked her to begin with (ok, maybe he already is) and then changing, or would he be seen as someone willing to recognize a mistake and correct it? Would it increase or decrease the votes for McCain? See how it worked for the Democrats in 72. The only way he gets out of this mess is to have her go hunting with Chaney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
