marks2065 0 #76 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotedo people not realize that the labor and property are already cheaper over seas? the taxe rate going up WILL send more jobs overseas. why would any good bisiness stay here? we need to promote growth of jobs not send them elsewere. lowering taxes has ALWAYS shown an increase in tax revenue due to more jobs and bisinesses created buy the cuts. with that said wouldn't raising taxes do just the oposite? Exactly. And have you noticed that one of BHO's favorite lines goes something like "McCain wants to give tax cuts to wealthy corporations that ship our jobs overseas?" .that line right there about tax cuts to those that send jobs oversseas is the key. smart people would realize that McCain wants to keep jobs here and Obama will drive them overthere. Nope. Not only incorrect on the basis of Obama's stated policies, but flies in the face of the Bush administration's economic report (2004) in which BUSH's administration (staunchly supported by John "I am a Derugulator" McCain) said how beneficial it is to the US economy to outsource jobs. Check for yourself in" Economic Report of the President and The Annual Report of the Council of Economic Advisers, US Government Printing Office, Washington DC February 2004. so you don't think raising taxes on bisinesses will hurt jobs? I think Exxon Mobil and BP aren't hurting too much right now. GM and Ford have problems relating to their poor management decisions, not their taxes. Then there are those laid-off Lehman Bros. employees, nothing to do with taxes. But you can't escape the fact that the Bush administration put in writing in an official administration publication that outsourcing jobs to other countries is good for us. lets get off of bush No, let's not. Because those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. Bush has been a case study in how to ruin an economy and turn the most respected nation in the world in to one that now has almost no respect. And McCain not only sided with Bush until very recently when Bush became a liability, but the GOP itself considered Bush to be better when it had the choice between them in 2000. you are right history is needed to be known to learn, but McCain is his own person and has disagreed with Bush and clinton and reagan on several ocasions. i agree with some of your ideas and houghts but that doesn't mean i will be like you. Obama has voted with bush at times does that mean he will be like bush? you agree with bush on this bailout does that mean you are like bush? McCain has voted against his party 10% of the time isn't that important? doesnt that mean he will do some things differently? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #77 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuotethe welfare in this country is going to soar to unpresidented levels and become the overwelming burden that others have fought hard to prevent. Even if you're right (and though I don't think you are, I understand why you fear it will be), I submit to you that doing things like squandering a surplus and running up a trillion dollar deficit feeding the military-industrial complex's slop troughs so that G.W. Bush can exorcise the demons of his Oedipus complex in Iraq is hardly a worthwhile expense of blood and treasure, either. I'd rather spend a buck supporting a crack baby than causing the needless death of an 18 year old hero. sqandering a surplus? clinton left office 3 trillion dollars farther in debt than when he came in. bush sqandering a surplus is bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #78 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuotethe welfare in this country is going to soar to unpresidented levels and become the overwelming burden that others have fought hard to prevent. Even if you're right (and though I don't think you are, I understand why you fear it will be), I submit to you that doing things like squandering a surplus and running up a trillion dollar deficit feeding the military-industrial complex's slop troughs so that G.W. Bush can exorcise the demons of his Oedipus complex in Iraq is hardly a worthwhile expense of blood and treasure, either. I'd rather spend a buck supporting a crack baby than causing the needless death of an 18 year old hero. sqandering a surplus? clinton left office 3 trillion dollars farther in debt than when he came in. bush sqandering a surplus is bullshit. Right!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #79 October 18, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethe welfare in this country is going to soar to unpresidented levels and become the overwelming burden that others have fought hard to prevent. Even if you're right (and though I don't think you are, I understand why you fear it will be), I submit to you that doing things like squandering a surplus and running up a trillion dollar deficit feeding the military-industrial complex's slop troughs so that G.W. Bush can exorcise the demons of his Oedipus complex in Iraq is hardly a worthwhile expense of blood and treasure, either. I'd rather spend a buck supporting a crack baby than causing the needless death of an 18 year old hero. sqandering a surplus? clinton left office 3 trillion dollars farther in debt than when he came in. bush sqandering a surplus is bullshit. Right! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt - 119k sorry on 2.5 trillion further in debt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #80 October 19, 2008 And what does it matter? The fact is, that everyone sitting at the poker table is a liar...The gallery, who has such admiration for Mr. Slick, with his three piece suit, Zircon pinky ring, and gold plated watch fob, are just pissed because the guy who only plays a couple times a year, pulled a bluff on Mr. Slick, and caused him to tip his hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #81 October 19, 2008 Quote your correct we need to cut spending and get ourselves out of this mess. Obama promises to raise taxes and spending, the very thing we cannot do. Whereas McCain promises to cut taxes and stay in Iraq for 100 years if necessary. Hardly a method for reducing a deficit. Iraq II represents ~10% of our national debt. And let's be clear about one thing - unless Congress acts, most of the Bush tax cuts expire. When each candidate talks about cutting taxes, they mean from what it will be after expiration, not from what it is now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #82 October 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethe welfare in this country is going to soar to unpresidented levels and become the overwelming burden that others have fought hard to prevent. Even if you're right (and though I don't think you are, I understand why you fear it will be), I submit to you that doing things like squandering a surplus and running up a trillion dollar deficit feeding the military-industrial complex's slop troughs so that G.W. Bush can exorcise the demons of his Oedipus complex in Iraq is hardly a worthwhile expense of blood and treasure, either. I'd rather spend a buck supporting a crack baby than causing the needless death of an 18 year old hero. sqandering a surplus? clinton left office 3 trillion dollars farther in debt than when he came in. bush sqandering a surplus is bullshit. Right! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt - 119k sorry on 2.5 trillion further in debt Your link is bad, have to remove the 119k at the end. But you already misrepresented it. 1990 3,233 55.9 2000 5,674 58 There's your 2.5.T, but it includes the final two years of the Bush Adminstration, which as Kallend's source shows were well over a half trillion. And then you see a straight line decline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #83 October 19, 2008 QuoteQuotethe welfare in this country is going to soar to unpresidented levels and become the overwelming burden that others have fought hard to prevent. Even if you're right (and though I don't think you are, I understand why you fear it will be), I submit to you that doing things like squandering a surplus and running up a trillion dollar deficit feeding the military-industrial complex's slop troughs so that G.W. Bush can exorcise the demons of his Oedipus complex in Iraq is hardly a worthwhile expense of blood and treasure, either. I'd rather spend a buck supporting a crack baby than causing the needless death of an 18 year old hero. Wow... that's gotta be a *double* Lib talking point trifecta, there.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
