piper17 1 #1 October 16, 2008 Brunner: I'll obey court order, but thousands could lose their right to vote Posted by Reginald Fields/Plain Dealer Reporter October 15, 2008 13:33PM Categories: Breaking News, Election, Open, Real Time News Chuck Crow/The Plain Dealer Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner COLUMBUS -- More than 200,000 Ohioans who registered to vote this year for the first time or updated their voting information since Jan. 1 could be affected by the latest court ruling requiring the state to set up a new registration verification system by Friday, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said. Brunner said she would comply with the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling late Tuesday but said she is deeply concerned that the decision is a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters. The court's 9-6 opinion, written by Judge Jeffrey Sutton, suggested that voters whose driver's license number or Social Security number does not exactly match those found on databases maintained by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles or Social Security Administration could be required to use provisional ballots instead of conventional ones. "The thing that concerns me is that Judge Sutton indicated that these mismatched names could be subjected to provisional voting and nowhere in [Help America Vote Act] is that the case. The Help America Vote Act is really not meant to be used to disenfranchise or to help determine voter eligibility," Brunner said in an interview today. "Essentially that provision of HAVA is basically supposed to maintain voter registration databases," she said. "It is not for determining voter eligibility. The interpretation that seems to be coming from at least that particular judge takes HAVA and uses it as a means to exclude voters from a regular ballot. That is a concern." The full 6th Circuit's opinion overturned the decision of a three-judge panel at the federal court last week and restored the ruling announced last week by U.S. District Court Judge George C. Smith. Since Jan. 1, Ohio has 666,000 newly registered or updated voters -- all of whom fall under scrutiny by this latest court ruling. Brunner said an initial review found that at least 200,000 of them might have mismatched information. Once the office identifies all of the mismatched voters, Brunner will send the list to the county boards of election where the individuals have registered. But state Republican Party Chairman Bob Bennett said Brunner's decision to not implement the verification system sooner without the court forcing her to do so has cost county boards of election valuable time reining in examples of fraud. "Unfortunately, her delay in providing this matching system leaves little time for election officials to act on questionable registrations," Bennett said in a statement. "Secretary Brunner should immediately issue a new directive providing clear guidance on how the boards should handle the mismatched voter data." Between the secretary's office and the county boards, Brunner said, efforts will be made to notify the voters of the discrepancy and urge them to update their information. Brunner will also follow that up with a directive to the counties urging them not to force people to vote provisionally. She said that could set up yet another Republican challenge, but that federal law does not require a person with mismatched information to vote provisionally, as opposed to getting a regular ballot. Provisional ballot voting is often the most problematic and confusing form of voting. A Plain Dealer review found that 20 percent of the provisional ballots cast statewide for this year's Republican and Democratic presidential primaries were rejected because some part of the complicated process was not properly followed and thus the person's vote was not counted."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #2 October 16, 2008 Was ACORN mentioned in the article, or did you just add it for kicks?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #3 October 16, 2008 I guess you don't get much opportunity to read or watch the national news."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #4 October 16, 2008 Quote I guess you don't get much opportunity to read or watch the national news. You must be getting very frustrated.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #5 October 16, 2008 Republicans appear to be against registering voters during the most important election of our lifetimes. Why do they want to prevent voter registration? Are they afraid of being held accountable at the ballot box for their failed policies? What else could it be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #6 October 16, 2008 Show me proof that Republicans are against legal voter registration! But it is factual that some Democrats are for illegal voter registration.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #7 October 16, 2008 QuoteShow me proof that Republicans are against legal voter registration! But it is factual that some Democrats are for illegal voter registration. Did you read the link in the other ACORN thread? Here it is again - http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/15/cracking-the-acorn-case.aspx Do you see the irony in your post? The entire ACORN matter in the news makes a lie of your first sentence. You lie with conviction, in spite of the facts of the issue. Clearly you are Republican... The Rs are on the wrong side on this matter. The local election boards need to have the resources to do their job - vet the registration forms turned in. Wishing that there was an issue, following the lead of the lush rimjobs, etc, doesn't make it a real issue. Fictitious registration forms don't equate to voter fraud on election day. It is as simple as that. There are real issues to be dealt with. Obama will. McSame/Caribou Barbie are more of the same shit from the Rs that got us into this mess in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 October 16, 2008 From texaswatchdog.com: QuoteLinda Kay Hill, a homemaker and Louisiana native, died Aug. 2, 2006, of a heart attack, her husband recalled, and is buried at Houston Memorial Gardens in Pearland. But Harris County voter records indicate she –- or someone using her identity –- cast a ballot in the November election that year. Linda Hill of Woodwick Street voted in person on Election Day, records show. I tell you what, chief - you provide proof that this lady's vote went to a Republican, and I'll donate $100 to Obama's campaign.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #9 October 16, 2008 QuoteRepublicans appear to be against registering voters during the most important election of our lifetimes. Why do they want to prevent voter registration? Are they afraid of being held accountable at the ballot box for their failed policies? What else could it be? Oh give me a break. "The most important election of our lifetimes" happens every 4 years if you buy the hype. I don't see the problem with requiring states to make sure that people who are registered to vote both exist and are eligible to vote.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #10 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteRepublicans appear to be against registering voters during the most important election of our lifetimes. Why do they want to prevent voter registration? Are they afraid of being held accountable at the ballot box for their failed policies? What else could it be? Oh give me a break. "The most important election of our lifetimes" happens every 4 years if you buy the hype. I don't see the problem with requiring states to make sure that people who are registered to vote both exist and are eligible to vote. Do you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #11 October 16, 2008 Quote Republicans appear to be against registering voters during the most important election of our lifetimes. Why do they want to prevent voter registration? Are they afraid of being held accountable at the ballot box for their failed policies? What else could it be? I am NOT a Republican but I am a Conservative. And I have a problem with any group that goes out and coerce, bribe or in any way entices people to register vote that did not have the motivation and/or intelligence to do the simplest of things like Register themselves. Talk about dumbing down an election. Lets go out and register all these unmotivated, uneducated, uninformed people and encourage them to vote.And some people think this is a good thing? Amazing. Wisdom is not additive; its maximum is that of the wisest manPerson in a given group. The more unmotivated and unregistered people these groups entice to vote all we end up with is a lower average intelligence of the American voter. leave it alone. Let those that take the time to register themselves to Vote do so and those that are either too stupid or too lazy to so on their own stay home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #12 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote The more unmotivated and unregistered people these groups entice to vote all we end up with is a lower average intelligence of the American voter. . They used to say that in the south when they had intelligence tests for voter registration. I'm old enough to have seen the "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" speech on the newsreels. I think some of you young people forget that shameful era in US history.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #13 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteRepublicans appear to be against registering voters during the most important election of our lifetimes. Why do they want to prevent voter registration? Are they afraid of being held accountable at the ballot box for their failed policies? What else could it be? Oh give me a break. "The most important election of our lifetimes" happens every 4 years if you buy the hype. I don't see the problem with requiring states to make sure that people who are registered to vote both exist and are eligible to vote. Do you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? do you see a problem with people breaking the law? do you see a problem with dead people voting? do i think everyone has the right to vote, yes, but legally, only once, and they should be alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Thanatos340 1 #14 October 16, 2008 Race Card? Is that really the best you can do?Seriously.. in 2008.. Any person that is not motivated enough to register to vote on their own really should not be voting in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #15 October 16, 2008 QuoteDo you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? Many processes "disenfranchise" eligible voters. Can't read the registration form? DISENFRANCHISED! Convicted of a felony? DISENFRANCHISED! Too lazy to register? DISENFRANCHISED! Just don't register to vote just because? DISENFRANCHISED! Here's the one that seems to be causing the problems here: Can't properly fill out your form with your DL# or SSN or legal name? DISENFRANCHISED! What more can we do to ensure that people that don't care enough to do things right or don't care at all get to vote?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #16 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? Many processes "disenfranchise" eligible voters. Can't read the registration form? DISENFRANCHISED! Convicted of a felony? DISENFRANCHISED! Too lazy to register? DISENFRANCHISED! Just don't register to vote just because? DISENFRANCHISED! Here's the one that seems to be causing the problems here: Can't properly fill out your form with your DL# or SSN or legal name? DISENFRANCHISED! What more can we do to ensure that people that don't care enough to do things right or don't care at all get to vote? Apparently they are discovering that many (most?) of the errors are due to government bureaucrats making typos when entering the data, NOT due to people too lazy or too stupid to fill out the form properly. Not that that would worry the GOP. Social Security data indicate that Ohio election officials found more than 200,000 names that did not match this year; state election officials say their analysis of the data indicates that most of these are individual voters, not duplicate registrations. But Ms. Brunner said that problems with the databases could very well be why the names did not match. “Federal government red tape, misstated technical information or glitches in databases should not be the basis for voters having to cast provisional ballots,” said Ms. Brunner, adding that she plans to require that notifications are sent to all voters whose records have discrepancies. Republicans will argue that Brunner is, at the very least, leaving the system vulnerable to fraud. But in fact, there are strict first-time voter ID requirements that are set up precisely to prevent fraud. Federal law requires first time voters to provide a federally approved form of identification. Darth Vader can show up on the rolls, but unless he has a driver's license, social security card or utility bill made out to Darth Vader, he's not casting a ballot, unless he can actually do a Jedi mind trick. Lots of Jedis in Ohio, are there?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #17 October 16, 2008 Quote Race Card? Is that really the best you can do?Seriously.. in 2008.. Any person that is not motivated enough to register to vote on their own really should not be voting in my opinion. Well, it's a good job that truly unregistered voters can't vote then. But those disenfranchised due to government error have a genuine grievance.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #18 October 16, 2008 >What more can we do to ensure that people that don't care enough to do things >right or don't care at all get to vote? I hope everyone votes, but I don't plan to put much effort into convincing people who don't want to vote to vote. They can stay home if they want. However, preventing people who want to vote from voting is a big deal, which is why things like this are a much bigger problem: ================================ Frank St. Pierre, of Anaconda, fought in World War II. He is one of the most decorated living veterans in America. And yet, on Wednesday, my party — the Montana Republican Party — tried to invalidate his voter registration because he lives in a county with a lot of Democrats. Incredible as this may sound to you, it is the truth. A significant number of the 6,000 voters targeted were servicemen, including Kevin Furey, a former state legislator from Missoula who left the legislature to serve in Iraq; Cindie Kalan-Green, who is also serving in Iraq; and Mathew Robison, who I am told has been deployed to Fort Drum. Many were college students and elderly people. For example, Babe Aspholm, of Anaconda, an elderly man, simply moved across town from his house to a senior living center. The Republicans tried to void his registration. Tom Detonacour, a policeman from Deer Lodge County who simply bought a house in another county, also got targeted. But worst of all is the legendary Frank St. Pierre, 86, also of Anaconda, who helped save thousands of allied troops at Dunkirk in World War II and has 10 Medals of Honor. St. Pierre, too, moved from one end of town to the other, and the Republicans tried to void his and his wife's registrations. I have a copy of the signed affidavits from the Republicans, declaring that Frank and Marilyn St. Pierre's voter registrations must be purged. An utter disgrace. ================================== (From the Montana lt. governor.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 October 16, 2008 QuoteDo you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? I sure do. And proof of ID will eliminate the disenfranchisement that occurs as a direct result of illegal voting ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Thanatos340 1 #20 October 16, 2008 QuoteBut those disenfranchised due to government error have a genuine grievance. Absolutely. Most of us have had to deal with a Bureaucratic Nightmare before and know how difficult getting something like that corrected can be. Good thing this was caught before the election so that it can be corrected. (And I cant wait till we get the Bureaucratic nightmare in our health care system. Just wait till that uncaring, unmotivated, unfireable bureaucrat from down at the DVM gets to be the uncaring, unmotivated, unfireable bureaucrat between you and the healthcare you need) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #21 October 16, 2008 Easy. Maybe we can borrow some of Obama's "common sense" legislative powers to say, "Hey, if Jon Smith can show me proof of his living at the address we have listed for John Smith, and his DL# matches or his SSN matches... he should get to vote and we should correct the error while we're at it!" But I forget... there was some problem with having to prove who you were when you came to vote, wasn't there?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeForsythe 0 #22 October 16, 2008 QuoteThe entire ACORN matter in the news makes a lie of your first sentence. You lie with conviction, in spite of the facts of the issue.Nice personal attack but you are WRONG. The first sentence that I made cannot be a lie under any circumstance as it is only making a statement to show me proof. If you show proof, then you have only complied with the sentence if you don't then the sentence still stands. I accept your apology in advance for calling me something that I am not. I suggest you read THIS before you post anymore.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #23 October 16, 2008 Quote I accept your apology in advance for calling me something that I am not. I suggest you read THIS before you post anymore. What I find interesting is that while you have done an exemplary job of keeping to only posting in SC since the end of Aug, your sig line still has a political quality that has remained. That sig line is applied to ALL of your posts going back to the day you posted for the very first time. It is in all of the varied forums and typically gets a warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piper17 1 #24 October 16, 2008 Ten "Medals of Honor"? "Saving allied troops at Dunkirk?" Now something seems a little strange here. First, I KNOW that no American serviceman, living or dead, ever was awarded the Medal of Honor (aka Congressional Medal of Honor) TEN times. Something is probably "lost in translation" here but this statement still makes me question the validity of this claim. Secondly, Dunkirk took place in World War II during the month of May 1940. The evacuation of Dunkirk involved primarily British troops as well as some French military personnel. The USA had not entered World War II at this point (remember 7 December 1941 and Pearl Harbor?) and, unless Mr. St. Pierre is a naturalized US citizen, I would have to seriously question whether he was actually involved in the evacuation of British and French troops from Dunkirk and "saving thousands of lives". I'm not saying that Frank St. Pierre didn't serve in the military in WWII or that he may have received awards for bravery but something doesn't ring true here."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #25 October 16, 2008 QuoteTen "Medals of Honor"? "Saving allied troops at Dunkirk?" Now something seems a little strange here. First, I KNOW that no American serviceman, living or dead, ever was awarded the Medal of Honor (aka Congressional Medal of Honor) TEN times. Something is probably "lost in translation" here but this statement still makes me question the validity of this claim. Secondly, Dunkirk took place in World War II during the month of May 1940. The evacuation of Dunkirk involved primarily British troops as well as some French military personnel. The USA had not entered World War II at this point (remember 7 December 1941 and Pearl Harbor?) and, unless Mr. St. Pierre is a naturalized US citizen, I would have to seriously question whether he was actually involved in the evacuation of British and French troops from Dunkirk and "saving thousands of lives". I'm not saying that Frank St. Pierre didn't serve in the military in WWII or that he may have received awards for bravery but something doesn't ring true here. www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008810070347 by John Bohlinger, a Republican and a Marine, who currently serves as Montana's lieutenant governor Other countries give medals too - it's not a uniquely US thing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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marks2065 0 #13 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteRepublicans appear to be against registering voters during the most important election of our lifetimes. Why do they want to prevent voter registration? Are they afraid of being held accountable at the ballot box for their failed policies? What else could it be? Oh give me a break. "The most important election of our lifetimes" happens every 4 years if you buy the hype. I don't see the problem with requiring states to make sure that people who are registered to vote both exist and are eligible to vote. Do you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? do you see a problem with people breaking the law? do you see a problem with dead people voting? do i think everyone has the right to vote, yes, but legally, only once, and they should be alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #14 October 16, 2008 Race Card? Is that really the best you can do?Seriously.. in 2008.. Any person that is not motivated enough to register to vote on their own really should not be voting in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #15 October 16, 2008 QuoteDo you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? Many processes "disenfranchise" eligible voters. Can't read the registration form? DISENFRANCHISED! Convicted of a felony? DISENFRANCHISED! Too lazy to register? DISENFRANCHISED! Just don't register to vote just because? DISENFRANCHISED! Here's the one that seems to be causing the problems here: Can't properly fill out your form with your DL# or SSN or legal name? DISENFRANCHISED! What more can we do to ensure that people that don't care enough to do things right or don't care at all get to vote?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #16 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteDo you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? Many processes "disenfranchise" eligible voters. Can't read the registration form? DISENFRANCHISED! Convicted of a felony? DISENFRANCHISED! Too lazy to register? DISENFRANCHISED! Just don't register to vote just because? DISENFRANCHISED! Here's the one that seems to be causing the problems here: Can't properly fill out your form with your DL# or SSN or legal name? DISENFRANCHISED! What more can we do to ensure that people that don't care enough to do things right or don't care at all get to vote? Apparently they are discovering that many (most?) of the errors are due to government bureaucrats making typos when entering the data, NOT due to people too lazy or too stupid to fill out the form properly. Not that that would worry the GOP. Social Security data indicate that Ohio election officials found more than 200,000 names that did not match this year; state election officials say their analysis of the data indicates that most of these are individual voters, not duplicate registrations. But Ms. Brunner said that problems with the databases could very well be why the names did not match. “Federal government red tape, misstated technical information or glitches in databases should not be the basis for voters having to cast provisional ballots,” said Ms. Brunner, adding that she plans to require that notifications are sent to all voters whose records have discrepancies. Republicans will argue that Brunner is, at the very least, leaving the system vulnerable to fraud. But in fact, there are strict first-time voter ID requirements that are set up precisely to prevent fraud. Federal law requires first time voters to provide a federally approved form of identification. Darth Vader can show up on the rolls, but unless he has a driver's license, social security card or utility bill made out to Darth Vader, he's not casting a ballot, unless he can actually do a Jedi mind trick. Lots of Jedis in Ohio, are there?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #17 October 16, 2008 Quote Race Card? Is that really the best you can do?Seriously.. in 2008.. Any person that is not motivated enough to register to vote on their own really should not be voting in my opinion. Well, it's a good job that truly unregistered voters can't vote then. But those disenfranchised due to government error have a genuine grievance.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #18 October 16, 2008 >What more can we do to ensure that people that don't care enough to do things >right or don't care at all get to vote? I hope everyone votes, but I don't plan to put much effort into convincing people who don't want to vote to vote. They can stay home if they want. However, preventing people who want to vote from voting is a big deal, which is why things like this are a much bigger problem: ================================ Frank St. Pierre, of Anaconda, fought in World War II. He is one of the most decorated living veterans in America. And yet, on Wednesday, my party — the Montana Republican Party — tried to invalidate his voter registration because he lives in a county with a lot of Democrats. Incredible as this may sound to you, it is the truth. A significant number of the 6,000 voters targeted were servicemen, including Kevin Furey, a former state legislator from Missoula who left the legislature to serve in Iraq; Cindie Kalan-Green, who is also serving in Iraq; and Mathew Robison, who I am told has been deployed to Fort Drum. Many were college students and elderly people. For example, Babe Aspholm, of Anaconda, an elderly man, simply moved across town from his house to a senior living center. The Republicans tried to void his registration. Tom Detonacour, a policeman from Deer Lodge County who simply bought a house in another county, also got targeted. But worst of all is the legendary Frank St. Pierre, 86, also of Anaconda, who helped save thousands of allied troops at Dunkirk in World War II and has 10 Medals of Honor. St. Pierre, too, moved from one end of town to the other, and the Republicans tried to void his and his wife's registrations. I have a copy of the signed affidavits from the Republicans, declaring that Frank and Marilyn St. Pierre's voter registrations must be purged. An utter disgrace. ================================== (From the Montana lt. governor.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 October 16, 2008 QuoteDo you see anything wrong with a process that as a by-product disenfranchises thousands of eligible voters? I sure do. And proof of ID will eliminate the disenfranchisement that occurs as a direct result of illegal voting ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #20 October 16, 2008 QuoteBut those disenfranchised due to government error have a genuine grievance. Absolutely. Most of us have had to deal with a Bureaucratic Nightmare before and know how difficult getting something like that corrected can be. Good thing this was caught before the election so that it can be corrected. (And I cant wait till we get the Bureaucratic nightmare in our health care system. Just wait till that uncaring, unmotivated, unfireable bureaucrat from down at the DVM gets to be the uncaring, unmotivated, unfireable bureaucrat between you and the healthcare you need) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #21 October 16, 2008 Easy. Maybe we can borrow some of Obama's "common sense" legislative powers to say, "Hey, if Jon Smith can show me proof of his living at the address we have listed for John Smith, and his DL# matches or his SSN matches... he should get to vote and we should correct the error while we're at it!" But I forget... there was some problem with having to prove who you were when you came to vote, wasn't there?Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #22 October 16, 2008 QuoteThe entire ACORN matter in the news makes a lie of your first sentence. You lie with conviction, in spite of the facts of the issue.Nice personal attack but you are WRONG. The first sentence that I made cannot be a lie under any circumstance as it is only making a statement to show me proof. If you show proof, then you have only complied with the sentence if you don't then the sentence still stands. I accept your apology in advance for calling me something that I am not. I suggest you read THIS before you post anymore.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #23 October 16, 2008 Quote I accept your apology in advance for calling me something that I am not. I suggest you read THIS before you post anymore. What I find interesting is that while you have done an exemplary job of keeping to only posting in SC since the end of Aug, your sig line still has a political quality that has remained. That sig line is applied to ALL of your posts going back to the day you posted for the very first time. It is in all of the varied forums and typically gets a warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #24 October 16, 2008 Ten "Medals of Honor"? "Saving allied troops at Dunkirk?" Now something seems a little strange here. First, I KNOW that no American serviceman, living or dead, ever was awarded the Medal of Honor (aka Congressional Medal of Honor) TEN times. Something is probably "lost in translation" here but this statement still makes me question the validity of this claim. Secondly, Dunkirk took place in World War II during the month of May 1940. The evacuation of Dunkirk involved primarily British troops as well as some French military personnel. The USA had not entered World War II at this point (remember 7 December 1941 and Pearl Harbor?) and, unless Mr. St. Pierre is a naturalized US citizen, I would have to seriously question whether he was actually involved in the evacuation of British and French troops from Dunkirk and "saving thousands of lives". I'm not saying that Frank St. Pierre didn't serve in the military in WWII or that he may have received awards for bravery but something doesn't ring true here."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #25 October 16, 2008 QuoteTen "Medals of Honor"? "Saving allied troops at Dunkirk?" Now something seems a little strange here. First, I KNOW that no American serviceman, living or dead, ever was awarded the Medal of Honor (aka Congressional Medal of Honor) TEN times. Something is probably "lost in translation" here but this statement still makes me question the validity of this claim. Secondly, Dunkirk took place in World War II during the month of May 1940. The evacuation of Dunkirk involved primarily British troops as well as some French military personnel. The USA had not entered World War II at this point (remember 7 December 1941 and Pearl Harbor?) and, unless Mr. St. Pierre is a naturalized US citizen, I would have to seriously question whether he was actually involved in the evacuation of British and French troops from Dunkirk and "saving thousands of lives". I'm not saying that Frank St. Pierre didn't serve in the military in WWII or that he may have received awards for bravery but something doesn't ring true here. www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008810070347 by John Bohlinger, a Republican and a Marine, who currently serves as Montana's lieutenant governor Other countries give medals too - it's not a uniquely US thing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
