Straight talk

[kallend 2,230]

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[TankBuster 0]

Great! You perpetuate a wonderful Michael Moorishly edited piece of video. And then turn around in other threads and bemoan the anti-Obama smears on Snopes. Pick an ethical position will ya?

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[billvon 3,173]

>You perpetuate a wonderful Michael Moorishly edited piece of video.

Hey, if a candidate has a "negative" issue in their record, then it's fair game to bring it up. This notion that we should only listen to McCain's latest rhetoric (and believe it) or his contradictory sound bytes (and swoon over them while ignoring the contradictions) or risk being considered "Michael Moorish" is assinine. Truth is - McCain has always been a very popular conservative and there are vast numbers who won't look further than that. Many of us who do look at his (negative) history find not a reformer but at best a typical politician and at worst a typical DC politician with ties to radical right wing organizations and radical right wing extremists.

[kelpdiver 2]

I don't think I've ever seen a self proclaimed straight talker that maintained it through a single election. McCain didn't even manage it in 2000.

[TankBuster 0]

Touche Bill, but the discussion should include entire thoughts and quotes, in context, and not Moorishly edited sound byte propaganda. Agree?

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[Remster 30]

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>You perpetuate a wonderful Michael Moorishly edited piece of video.

Hey, if a candidate has a "negative" issue in their record, then it's fair game to bring it up. This notion that we should only listen to McCain's latest rhetoric (and believe it) or his contradictory sound bytes (and swoon over them while ignoring the contradictions) or risk being considered "Michael Moorish" is assinine. Truth is - McCain has always been a very popular conservative and there are vast numbers who won't look further than that. Many of us who do look at his (negative) history find not a reformer but at best a typical politician and at worst a typical DC politician with ties to radical right wing organizations and radical right wing extremists.

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[billvon 3,173]

>but the discussion should include entire thoughts and quotes, in context, and
>not Moorishly edited sound bytes. Agree?

?? Why? Neither side does that. The only time that is really evil is when it's done to intentionally misrepresent the person.

Let's take an example. A speech by Palin:

"I am honored to be considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United States. I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America. I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election, against confident opponents at a crucial hour for our country.

And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions, and met far graver challenges, and knows how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States, John S. McCain.

It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.

With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war."

Misquote:

"I am . . . against confident opponents . . . and . . . the United States."

Palin today:

"I like being here because, it seems like, and in our last rally too, and in other parts around this great Northwest, here in New Hampshire, ya just get it. And I know you all agree that America can't afford another big spender in the White House."

Shorter quote:

"It seems like, and in our last rally too, and in other parts around this great Northwest, here in New Hampshire, ya just get it."

Not a misquote, just a misstatement by her.

If you think short quotes are misleading, then google the entire quote. No one will sit through hours of speeches to get one statement no matter who the candidate is.

[TankBuster 0]

Truth is - McCain has always been a very popular conservative and there are vast numbers who won't look further than that. Many of us who do look at his (negative) history find not a reformer but at best a typical politician and at worst a typical DC politician with ties to radical right wing organizations and radical right wing extremists

And besides, do you really consider McCain to be a radical right winger, or were you simply attemting an exact parody?

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[billvon 3,173]

>do you really consider McCain to be a radical right winger, or were you simply
>attemting an exact parody?

?? I never stated he was a radical right winger. I stated rather that he was a very popular conservative (which, given that he won his party's primary, he provably is.) He also has some ties to some radical right wing organizations and radical right wing extremists. A few examples:

The person he chose for his transition manager once lobbied in support of Saddam Hussein.

His self-described "spiritual guide" (Parsley) said America's destiny is to destroy Islam.

A preacher whose endorsement he sought said that Hitler was doing God's work.

In the 1980s McCain served on the advisory board of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.

[TankBuster 0]

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?? Why? Neither side does that.

In my opinion, we should.

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[billvon 3,173]

>In my opinion, we should.

OK. I tend to prefer sites/sources that go into more depth, but given the pervasiveness of the net, it doesn't bother me too much to google the quote.