idrankwhat 0 #26 October 16, 2008 QuoteHere is what I disapprove of: THIS C'mon man, no SATAN? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #27 October 16, 2008 QuoteC'mon man, no SATAN?No, just poor judgment. As an individual I respect his right to associate with anyone he wants. As a candidate for POTUS I do not.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 October 16, 2008 QuoteNo, just poor judgment. As an individual I respect his right to associate with anyone he wants. As a candidate for POTUS I do not. Yet you support a candidate who went to meetings of a sessesionist movement and whose hubby was a member. I wonder what the motivation was in her courting those people in her rise to the govenors seat. We have a few such groups around the Northwest, many of them are very racially motivated since we have such a low percentage of "undesirable" minorities and they desire a white homeland. For some reason they all tend to be VERY "conservative" too. When its quackin and waddlin I guess its really a moose???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #29 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote No true public servant will work with self proclaimed, unrepentant anti American terrorists on any board,... So you disapprove of the Annenbergs and the governor of South Carolina. (FYI, that search took me about 8 seconds). Absolutely. Ayers admitted his role in bombings and bragged about getting off on a technicality. He said he wished he had done more. Anyone who lends credibility to such an individual exhibits questionable judgement. You are to be commended on your google skills. You are obviously in the 140 club.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #30 October 16, 2008 QuoteHere is what I disapprove of: But do you approve of [url "http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/mccain%20bush%20hug%20twn.jpg">THIS?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #31 October 16, 2008 QuoteBut do you approve of THIS?vs THIS and THIS YESTime and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #32 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote[ Obamessia Just to mention, Obama isn't the "messiah". He may just look that way by comparison to where we've set our standards. We apparently want a President who you want to get drunk with and a VP who you can identify with at a church supper or a shooting range. I can only imagine what today's right wing would call a Thomas Jefferson. "He's too smart, he's elitist, he's too popular, he's arrogant, him and his two dollar words he probably thinks we're low life scum". Ok, that last one, he might. When will we expect more, and demand more from our leaders? You obviously have different standards of conduct than I. Obama won his seat in the Illinois state senate by having all of the Democratic opposition kicked off the ballot on pettition technicalities. THAT is good old Chicago Machine dirty politics, not change, not reform. Not even close to "messianic" behavior. Certainly makes no tingle run up my leg. TJ would certainly roll over in the grave. I wouldn't mind sharing a brew with the Prez, but where does the "get drunk" comment come from? I certainly would rather see my VP at a normal church supper than at a Jeremiah Wright rally. I'd love to shoot with her too, and I don't get the negative there.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #33 October 16, 2008 Quote I certainly would rather see my VP at a normal church supper than at a Jeremiah Wright rally. . How do you feel about your VP having her demons cast out?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #34 October 16, 2008 QuoteHow do you feel about your VP having her demons cast out?Again, vs your president being part of Rev Wright for 20 year and being declared the Messiah by Louis Farrakhan............pretty good.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #35 October 16, 2008 Quote Quote How do you feel about your VP having her demons cast out? Again, vs your president being part of Rev Wright for 20 year and being declared the Messiah by Louis Farrakhan............pretty good. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #36 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteApparently, a generous dose of naivete and self aggrandizing comes with that stellar IQ. No true public servant will work with self proclaimed, unrepentant anti American terrorists on any board, even if the REAL reason were improving schools. A look at Ayers' past and radical history makes me question that motive. If you guys think he used to blow up Americans and now he has changed and wants to help American children, I question such wide spread triple digits. Apparently a hell of a lot of the christian religious right are incapable of forgiving peoples past... things they did in the 1960's when they were far younger... I guess they must not really be christian after all. Many of the radacals of the 60's and 70's changed and became productive members of society.. and actually lived lives that Jesus Christ would certainly have approved of. Is the religious right capable of walking the walk or do they just talk the talk?? Why is that??? Forgiveness is spiritual gift and for most it requires that it is desired by the errant individual. Ayers brags about his role and wishes he had done more. Even if he was repentant, there are, or should be, societal consequences for behavior. To think that one can engage in that type of murderous behavior, brag about it, brag about getting away with it, and then be accepted as a normal member of society in order to serve a "good cause" (which it was not) is incomprehensible. And to answer your veiled PA, I am a Christian after all. Not perfect, but a Christian. Forgiveness is a process in most cases that, like I said, usually involves some contrition by the offending party. I can forgive Ayers, but he and his supporters should be held accountable and scrutinized.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #37 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuote I certainly would rather see my VP at a normal church supper than at a Jeremiah Wright rally. . How do you feel about your VP having her demons cast out? You post this because, I assume, it seems very unusual behavior. I've had people pray over me, albeit not after breathing helium, and it is very uplifting. What this preacher prays for is for God to help her, to lift her up, to protect her. Some of the words are unintelligible, but for the most part his words are a positive intercession on her behalf. Certainly not the hate filled speech of the good reverend Wright. Are you attempting to compare the two?The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #38 October 16, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I certainly would rather see my VP at a normal church supper than at a Jeremiah Wright rally. . How do you feel about your VP having her demons cast out? You post this because, I assume, it seems very unusual behavior. I've had people pray over me, albeit not after breathing helium, and it is very uplifting. What this preacher prays for is for God to help her, to lift her up, to protect her. Some of the words are unintelligible, but for the most part his words are a positive intercession on her behalf. Certainly not the hate filled speech of the good reverend Wright. Are you attempting to compare the two? Not bad. Ineffective, but not bad.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 October 16, 2008 Quote And to answer your veiled PA, I am a Christian after all. Not perfect, but a Christian. Forgiveness is a process in most cases that, like I said, usually involves some contrition by the offending party. I can forgive Ayers, but he and his supporters should be held accountable and scrutinized. Are you forgetting the deeds???? Ye shall know them by their deeds. Seems many of the radicals you hate so much have gone on to do many good deeds..the contrition is in turning their lives aroiund and helping others.. yet you and others on the self identified "conservative " side run them down....Again.. whose life on balance is more christ like?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 October 16, 2008 Quotewhose life on balance is more christ like?? That would be Jimmy Carter's. Hey! You know, he's still not term-limited yet. Hmmm.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #41 October 16, 2008 QuoteNot bad. Ineffective, but not bad. What? Why ineffective? As a part of her faith in a good and just God, a pastor is praying over her and asking for God's help. That may seem strange to some, especially non-believers, but it really isn't all that radical. Are you seriously trying to make a comparison to some of Wright's rants?The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #42 October 16, 2008 Quote Are you forgetting the deeds???? Ye shall know them by their deeds. Seems many of the radicals you hate so much have gone on to do many good deeds..the contrition is in turning their lives aroiund and helping others.. yet you and others on the self identified "conservative " side run them down....Again.. whose life on balance is more christ like?? Are you attempting to quote scripture? The Bible doesn't say you get into heaven by good deeds. Ayers set off bombs on American soil. He's not only unrepentant, but wishes he had done more damage. Explain to me how you're relating that to Christianity again? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #43 October 16, 2008 Quote Quote And to answer your veiled PA, I am a Christian after all. Not perfect, but a Christian. Forgiveness is a process in most cases that, like I said, usually involves some contrition by the offending party. I can forgive Ayers, but he and his supporters should be held accountable and scrutinized. Are you forgetting the deeds???? Ye shall know them by their deeds. Seems many of the radicals you hate so much have gone on to do many good deeds..the contrition is in turning their lives aroiund and helping others.. yet you and others on the self identified "conservative " side run them down....Again.. whose life on balance is more christ like?? The only one I've "run down" is Ayers. If you know of others I hate, you need to let me know. Are you seriously defending Ayers as Christ-like?The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 October 16, 2008 Uh how many bombs has John McCain dropped on civilians???? Your point?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 October 16, 2008 Several of you are linking Obama and the work he did to help otheres... surrounded by others who were helping other people.. yet you seek to demonize him and vilify him for a past that you will not forgive him for. Look within and see yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 October 16, 2008 QuoteOh, for fuck's sake; another one of your guilt-by-association threads? I ask you again: what part of "nobody gives a shit" do you not understand? Even my dog rolled her eyes when she saw it on the screen. Ah, I see... so Gramm-Leach-Bliley and Keating 5 *IS* important, but Ayers and CAC aren't. Ok, gotcha.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #47 October 16, 2008 Quote Obama won his seat in the Illinois state senate by having all of the Democratic opposition kicked off the ballot on pettition technicalities. She offered her spot in the race to Obama because she wanted to pursue a different one. She lost and so she wanted Obama to drop out and give her back her job. He legally challenged her petition and won. Hard ball? You betcha He's smart, determined, a fast learner, effective and successful. The White House could use some of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #48 October 16, 2008 Quote Ah, I see... so Gramm-Leach-Bliley and Keating 5 *IS* important,.... Keating, not so much. That was just a reaction to the Ayers BS. Gramm, Leach, Bliley? I'd say that one's a biggie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #49 October 16, 2008 "Obama and the work he did to help others"???? His "work was totally ineffective...all it did was spend millions of grant dollars, probably enriching the bank accounts of other left wingers in the process. Like liberals everywhere, he talks about his "intentions" but fails to talk about the lack of results. I posted this on another thread but it certainly applies here: Obama And Ayers' Annenberg Failure By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Posted Tuesday, October 14, 2008 4:20 PM PT Education: The joint effort between Barack Obama and terrorist William Ayers to "reform" Chicago schools was a flop. After spending $160 million, Chicago's children were still being left behind. It was, and some say still is, his only claim to have executive experience qualifying him for high government office. "My experience previous to elected office equips me for the job," Obama said in a 2000 televised debate during a failed campaign to unseat incumbent Democratic Congressman Bobby Rush. Of that experience, Obama said: "I have chaired major philanthropic efforts on the city, like the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) that gave $50 million to prompt school-reform efforts throughout the city." It was an impressive line on anyone's resume. It was also a flop. Obama ran the fiscal arm that distributed grants to schools and raised matching funds. Ayers participated in a second entity known as the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, the operational arm that worked with grant recipients. They met and talked often. Ayers was more interested in transforming Chicago's schools into vehicles for socialist revolution than in reading scores. He sought to use Annenberg's grant to fund his dream of radicalizing both teachers and students. Obama helped him toward that goal, gaining what he thought would be an important credential. Like most efforts to improve the government monopoly by throwing money at it, the CAC was a failure, and a costly one at that. The grant was conditioned on raising at least twice that amount in matching funds. With the grant, CAC had $160 million to throw at the problem. The CAC operated in 210 Chicago schools between 1996 and 2001. At the CAC's conclusion, an evaluation report was prepared and titled, "The Chicago Annenberg Challenge: Successes, Failures, and Lessons for the Future Final Technical Report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project." On page 14 of the executive summary we find that "the Challenge had little impact on student outcomes." On page 15, the report says: "There were no statistically significant differences between Annenberg schools and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain" and that "any improvements were much like those occurring in demographically similar non-Annenberg schools." In 1998-99, just 36% of the Annenberg school students in grades three through eight were reading at or above national norms compared with 35% in Chicago schools citywide. In math, the results were similar. Some 43% of Annenberg students were at or above national norms versus 42% for non-Annenberg students. High school graduation rates for both groups of students were the same at 40%. The Annenberg schools edged out Chicago schools in dropout rates — 35% to 36%. As the report said, there were no signs of improvement that warranted the expenditure of $160 million. The CAC did not improve the schools, and in some ways made things worse. The executive summary also notes: "Classroom behavior, students' sense of self-efficacy, and social competence were weaker in 2001 than before the Challenge." The report stated: "In 2001, students in Annenberg schools were somewhat less inclined than in 1994 to respect each other, work well together and help each other learn." Neither student attitudes nor student achievements were aided by Obama's efforts. Based on these results, Barack Obama would have trouble getting chosen as a high school principal. Yet he thought they were worthy of promoting him first to congressman and now to the presidency of the United States. When Obama collected the endorsement of the American Federation of Teachers, he told the teachers that support for alternatives to the education monopoly amounted to "tired rhetoric about vouchers and school choice" even though efforts like the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship, unlike those of the CAC, have produced stunning improvements. Not being left behind are Obama's daughters, who attend the private University of Chicago Laboratory Schools. There the tuition ranges from $15,528 for kindergarten to $20,445 for high school. When asked about it during last year's YouTube debate, Sen. Obama responded that it was "the best option" for his children. They had a choice Obama would deny others."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #50 October 16, 2008 Annenberg (R) can use his money however he pleases, even on experimental education programs. How much taxpayer money have Bush (R) and Cheney (R) (with explicit support from McCain (R)) pissed away in Iraq?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
