Not about Race? Not about Hype?

[Gawain 0]

...and people call conservatives mindless drones. Listen to this:

Http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

This is a clip from Howard Stern, and some interviews in Harlem...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[mnealtx 0]

Several days ago, CNN's feed on AFN had a poll result about voting based on race (after the 'old people are racist' story).

Obama 9%
McCain 7%

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[Ron 10]

I had Larry King on last night. He had Barkley and Ben Stein on.

Both seemed to agree that race is a factor in this campain.

Stein said, and Barkley agreed, that a majority of blacks will vote for Obama based only on race. Stein also said that about 48-49% of whites will vote for Obama.

Stein thinks this is why Obama will win.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Andrewwhyte 1]

This is like Leno's "Jaywalking." If you give an intelligent reply they don't use your clip.
The concept that the blacks are going to vote democrat this time should be no great earth shaker; they always vote democrat. I think the black voter turnout will be stronger as a result of a black candidate, but the number of generally GOP black voters who switch because Obama is black will be pretty small.

[billvon 3,100]

>Both seemed to agree that race is a factor in this campain.

I tend to agree.

Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell: "You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate." In the Pennsylvania primary, one in six white voters told exit pollsters race was a factor in his or her decision.

[Ron 10]

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In the Pennsylvania primary, one in six white voters told exit pollsters race was a factor in his or her decision.

Are you willing to admit that it is also a factor for black voters?

Stein said that he thinks a majority of blacks will vote for Obama, while about 46-47% of whites will vote for Obama. Barkley agreed and King did as well.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,100]

>Are you willing to admit that it is also a factor for black voters?

Absolutely. A recent poll showed something like 25% of both black and white voters thought the US was not "ready for a black president." Some of those replies, arguably, could be societal commentary (i.e. "someone will try to kill him") but some of them also represent plain ol' racism.

Likewise, some black (and even some white) voters are going to vote for him specifically _because_ he is black. In exit polls in North Carolina, nearly a quarter of black voters said that race was the big factor in motivating them to vote for Obama.

So I would agree that racism is a factor for both black and white voters, and can both hurt and help candidates.

[livendive 8]

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Stein said, and Barkley agreed, that a majority of blacks will vote for Obama based only on race. Stein also said that about 48-49% of whites will vote for Obama.

Stein thinks this is why Obama will win.

Gore got 90% of black votes in 2000. Kerry got 88% of black votes in 2004. Both of those seem to be resounding majorities, yet nobody seems to characterize them as racist.

Blues,
Dave

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[klingeme 1]

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I had Larry King on last night. He had Barkley and Ben Stein on.

Both seemed to agree that race is a factor in this campain.

Stein said, and Barkley agreed, that a majority of blacks will vote for Obama based only on race. Stein also said that about 48-49% of whites will vote for Obama.

Stein thinks this is why Obama will win.

I saw this to last night, and I thought it was a joke that they had Barkley trying to "match wits" with Stein. Completely out matched. And now Barkley (Mr. gambling is the best thing about football on Sundays) is going to be running for office. NICE.

[Darius11 12]

That was funny and sad at the same time.


I think it is about who the person is. That includes every thing including race, including being a P.O.W.

I know some people will just vote for or against him because he is African American, but the majority will look at him as a whole just as they look at Mccaine. Would it be better if it was just the issues yes, but it would be better if they were both hooked up to lie detectors too.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Ron 10]

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Gore got 90% of black votes in 2000. Kerry got 88% of black votes in 2004. Both of those seem to be resounding majorities, yet nobody seems to characterize them as racist.

You need to re-read what I wrote.

I said race is a factor...That includes both sides.

I then aske Bill if he agrees it is from both sides.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[livendive 8]

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Gore got 90% of black votes in 2000. Kerry got 88% of black votes in 2004. Both of those seem to be resounding majorities, yet nobody seems to characterize them as racist.

You need to re-read what I wrote.

I said race is a factor...That includes both sides.

I then aske Bill if he agrees it is from both sides.

In the post I replied to, you said:

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Stein said, and Barkley agreed, that a majority of blacks will vote for Obama based only on race.

I responded with statistics debunking such a claim. An overwhelming majority would have likely voted for Obama because he's a democrat, not because he's black. If somewhere around 90% of blacks vote on the basis of the (D) versus the (R), where do they come up with a majority who are only voting for Obama because of his race?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[Ron 10]

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I responded with statistics debunking such a claim.

No you posted stats that say blacks tend to vote Dem. That does not mean that they will not vote for him based on being black. Remember, blacks normally have lower than normal voter turn out. So what are you going to say when that number is much greater than normal and a higher percentage vote for Obama?

Look, I am not trying to say its wrong...People vote like this all the time. Some will vote for McCain since he is a vet...Others will vote for McCain since Obama is black.

I just don't pretend that race is not an issue like others.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kallend 2,144]

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I responded with statistics debunking such a claim.

No you posted stats that say blacks tend to vote Dem. That does not mean that they will not vote for him based on being black. Remember, blacks normally have lower than normal voter turn out. So what are you going to say when that number is much greater than normal and a higher percentage vote for Obama?

Look, I am not trying to say its wrong...People vote like this all the time. Some will vote for McCain since he is a vet...Others will vote for McCain since Obama is black.

I just don't pretend that race is not an issue like others.

Well, I suppose we could use Bayes Theorem to figure out whether Obama's blackness affected the votes of black citizens.

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[airdvr 210]

One could probably do the same trick in rural America switching Obama's views for McCain's.

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