US of A : The latest Socialist State ;-)

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Nationalised (State Owned banking) brings true socialism to the good ol' US of A....

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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To late, to late. Sorry! This markeds flying up and down as an jojo is not going to save it, but it will shake out the last dime of people!

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In one hour the stock marked in Norway went up 10% in resoult of the emergency packages around the world. We will see who is the winners of the next round.

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Buy Low Seel high! ANyone that bought Bank stock last week will be having a great Christmas, I suspect.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.
Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

You wishy-washy pinko champagne Socialist! Do it properly!!!

United forever in friendship and labour,
Our mighty republic shall ever endure.
The great U - S of A, shall live through the ages,
The dream of it's people, their lawyers secure.

Long live our yankee motherland,
Built by the peoples mighty hand.
Long live her people, united and free,
Strong in their friendship, tried by fire,
Long may her stripey flag inspire.
Shining in glory for all men to see...

Through days dark & starry,
While great Nixon led us.
Our eyes saw the bright sun of credit and loan,
And Dubya our leader, with faith in the people,
Inspired us to build up our banks and Enron.

Long, live our Yankee Motherland,
Built by the peoples greedy hand.
Long live ex-bankers, out in Hawaii,
Strong, with their golden parachutes,
Long may the system leave them loose,
Laughing their heads off, but no-one can see.

We sold off our future,
Out-sourced all our labour,
And brought to our homeland a $hitload of shame.
Our actions will live in the memory of nations,
And all generations will hold us to blame,

Long live our bankrupt Motherland,
Built on bad credit and demand.
Long may her people be too dumb to see,
Lost, in confusion, run by liars,
Long may her stripey flags, catch fire,
Burning in demos, for newsmen to see....

There.. Now all I gotta do is ressurect Paul Robeson to record it.
Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Hey Billy Bragg - Shut the Fuck up

Heard on the Wogan show this morning :- "It looks like socialism, it sounds like socialism and it smells like socialism but there's no way on god's Earth that it will ever be called Socialism"

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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"It looks like socialism, it sounds like socialism and it smells like socialism but there's no way on god's Earth that it will ever be called Socialism"

It'll be called The New Deal.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Hey Billy Bragg - Shut the Fuck up

Now I've tidied it up, do I get a "Hey. Tim Rice. Shut the Fuck UP"?


United forever in friendship and labour,
Our mighty republic shall ever endure.
The great U - S of A, shall live through the ages,
The dream of it's people, their lawyers secure.

Long live our yankee motherland,
Built by the peoples mighty hand.
Long live her people, united and free,
Strong in their friendship, tried by fire,
Long may her stripey flag inspire.
Shining in glory for all men to see...

Through days dark & starry,
While great Nixon led us.
Our eyes saw the bright sun of credit and loan,
And Dubya our leader, with faith in the people,
Inspired us to build up our banks and Enron.

Long, live our Yankee Motherland,
Built by the peoples greedy hand.
Long live ex-bankers, out in Hawaii,
Strong, with their golden parachutes,
Long may the system leave them loose,
Laughing their heads off, but no-one can see.

We sold off our future,
Out-sourced all our labour,
And brought to our homeland a $hitload of shame.
Our actions will live in the memory of nations,
And all generations will hold us to blame,

Long live our bankrupt Motherland,
Built on bad credit and demand.
Long may her people be too dumb to see,
Lost, in confusion, run by liars,
Long may her stripey flags, catch fire,
Burning in demos, for newsmen to see....

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Nationalised (State Owned banking) brings true socialism to the good ol' US of A....

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It's a start, but we have a loooooong way to go for socialism with most billionaires living here and still a high rate of poverty and homelessness.

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It'll be called The New Deal.

Wouldn't it be properly called The Newest Deal?

[Ion01 2]

a high rate of poverty and homelessness in the USA......as compared to what other country?

[Amazon 7]

Travelled in Europe much???

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It's a start, but we have a loooooong way to go for socialism with most billionaires living here and still a high rate of poverty and homelessness.

What's wrong with being able to become a billionaire, or multimillionaire in your country? And is it evil that once people make large sums of money that they want to keep it vs. hand it all over to be dispersed by some professional baby kisser (right or left)?

I can't figure out why people look at becoming wealthy as bad, uncool, evil etc? The rich already pay significantly more taxes than anyone else by FAR. Why do they not deserve to keep what they earned? Is it just jealousy? I hope one day I work hard enough to put myself in the position to get paid millions, why is that a bad dream to have?

Also, (and I dont know any statistics, so I'm asking) is the USA's poverty rate and homeless rate significantly higher than the majority of the rest of the world? I've been to a dozen or so countries (including some in europe) and I am always very thankful when I come home cuz I feel like we got it pretty good here.

All insight is welcome

So there I was...

Making friends and playing nice since 1983

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>What's wrong with being able to become a billionaire, or multimillionaire
>in your country?

Nothing at all; it is great that we live in a country where that is possible.

> And is it evil that once people make large sums of money that they want
> to keep it vs. hand it all over to be dispersed by some professional baby
>kisser (right or left)?

Nope! And if those people don't want to pay to support the country that allowed them to become billionaires, they are free to leave and find a country that will give them a better deal. Ain't freedom a great thing?

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And what about the rest of the world?
Also, the standards used to determine the "poverty line" in each country is different. Also, the poverty line may include things like people who put themselves are in debt because they bought to big of a house and too nice a car and therefore are in "financial poverty".
People who live on the welfare system or food stamps may be considered to live in poverty but are they really? I have known people who were on food stamps that had bigger homes and nicer cars than I have.

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Wouldn't it be properly called The Newest Deal?

No it wouldn't.

In the best American tradition, it'll be called Deal II - Return of The Dealmaker!

Now... Go away and practice singing your New National Anthem.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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And what about the rest of the world?
Also, the standards used to determine the "poverty line" in each country is different. Also, the poverty line may include things like people who put themselves are in debt because they bought to big of a house and too nice a car and therefore are in "financial poverty".

That is being obtuse.

Northern Europe manages to take fairly good care of their people somehow. I dont recall seeing homeless people as I do in every American city. Perhaps they actually treat the addicts and mentally ill rather than shoving them out onto the streets. They also have far lower prison populations.


You asked about where it was better... not where it was worse.

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People who live on the welfare system or food stamps may be considered to live in poverty but are they really? I have known people who were on food stamps that had bigger homes and nicer cars than I have.

Where...??? I would like to see proof. I bet that your local office handing out that much money would like to know that as well.

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Northern Europe manages to take fairly good care of their people somehow. I dont recall seeing homeless people as I do in every American city. Perhaps they actually treat the addicts and mentally ill rather than shoving them out onto the streets. They also have far lower prison populations.
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Include Western Europe into that, too.

Sad thing is, the more you get to Eastern part the more you see the real poverty, the homeless. Most mental ill are cooped up into horrible "hospitals" w/o any treatment (go to Romania, Bulgaria ... )


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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, (and I dont know any statistics, so I'm asking) is the USA's poverty rate and homeless rate significantly lower than the majority of the rest of the world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States

Annual homeless prevalence was estimated at between 1.58 million (based on October/November four-week count) to 3.49 million (based on February seven day count).[8] Most, though not all, advocates use the higher estimate of over 3 million, especially since homelessness is thought to have risen since 1996.


So about 1%. Then we go to poverty and the numbers skyrocket.

Another tidbit for a great militaristic nation:

23% are veterans (compared to 13% of general population).

Shall we talk about the Las Vegas law prohibiting feeding homeless people?

HERE'S DATA REGARDING THE US:

http://www.globalissues.org/article/4/poverty-around-the-world#PovertyinIndustrializedCountries

--- It may be surprising for some readers to learn that USA, the wealthiest nation on Earth, has the widest gap between rich and poor of any industrialized nation, and disparities continue to grow (See also this article and this article about how the media deals with such issues.)

--- United For a Fair Economy reported that for 1998 almost 70% of the wealth was in the hand of the top 10%.


So when some whine about taxes being paid by the top 2%, figure it out.

---- In another report, they mention that the gap has widened in recent decades. “In 1989, the United States had 66 billionaires and 31.5 million people living below the official poverty line.


So again, 15% in poverty, as with 1% homeless.


--- A decade later, the United States has 268 billionaires and 34.5 million people living below the poverty line-about $13,000 for a three-person family.”


--- Then chairman of the Federal Reserve, Allan Greenspan, revealed concerns in mid-2005 that the increasing and widening income gap might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself in the US.

A little late, greeny.


--- For example, as a summary of a report titled Economic Apartheid in America mentions, “that the United States is the only industrialised nation that ‘views health care as a privilege, not a basic human right.’”. (Unfortunately the report itself not available on the Internet, but is produced by United for a Fair Economy where you can see many extracts and similar reports.)


America is a great, unique and exclusive place.


HERE'S A GRAPHICAL INDEX OF INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES HOMELESS COMNPARISON:

http://www.healthwrights.org/articles/geneva/geneva1.htm

Human poverty index. As we can see in the following graph, of 17 industrialized countries the US has the highest level of poverty. It also has the widest income disparity and the highest rate of child mortality.


The graph is near the bootom of the page. Now, LET'S FACTOR IN WEALTH and the bar runs thru the top of teh chart, meaning a nation that is more rich should be able to handle caring for homeless. But no, in Nazimerica instead of caring for homeless, poor or people in a bad way, we legislate bankruptcy laws to make it more difficult for people to get out of poverty, essentially sentence them to debtor's prisons. Enough data for you?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What's wrong with being able to become a billionaire, or multimillionaire in your country? And is it evil that once people make large sums of money that they want to keep it vs. hand it all over to be dispersed by some professional baby kisser (right or left)?


When the disparity reaches the US proportions, it's time for a recalculation. Nothing wrong with doing well, but when some maggots make 100M per year and then decry minimum wage increases, it's enough to make you puke.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can't figure out why people look at becoming wealthy as bad, uncool, evil etc?


It's not bad ot be rich, just bad for a country to cater to them and shit on everyone else.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The rich already pay significantly more taxes than anyone else by FAR.


70% of the welth is owned by 10% of the country, so there is no disproportion in tax paying, is there? Taxes follow wealth, not people; go broke, stop paying taxes - get rich, start paying taxes.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why do they not deserve to keep what they earned?


Earned? Yea, but enough about Paris Hilton.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I hope one day I work hard enough to put myself in the position to get paid millions, why is that a bad dream to have?


It's not, but if you get there, I hope you pay tons of taxes, just as if I get there.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've been to a dozen or so countries (including some in europe) and I always very thankful when I come home cuz I feel like we got it pretty good here.


The data doesn't neccessarily support that.


>>>>>>>>>>>All insight is welcome

Respectfully back at ya, this is not an area where I'm an expert, so data is soemwehat new to me too.

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Northern Europe manages to take fairly good care of their people somehow. I dont recall seeing homeless people as I do in every American city. Perhaps they actually treat the addicts and mentally ill rather than shoving them out onto the streets. They also have far lower prison populations.
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Include Western Europe into that, too.

Sad thing is, the more you get to Eastern part the more you see the real poverty, the homeless. Most mentall ill are cooped up into horrible "hospitals" w/o any treatment (go to Romania, Bulgaria ... )

Here they just throw them in jail.

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In the best American tradition, it'll be called Deal II - Return of The Dealmaker!

yeah, but the sequel almost always SUCKS!!! It'll probably be out on DVD by Christmas

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And what about the rest of the world?
Also, the standards used to determine the "poverty line" in each country is different. Also, the poverty line may include things like people who put themselves are in debt because they bought to big of a house and too nice a car and therefore are in "financial poverty".
People who live on the welfare system or food stamps may be considered to live in poverty but are they really? I have known people who were on food stamps that had bigger homes and nicer cars than I have.

No need to get semantic with details of methodology. The data is hard to obtain since most homeless do not report. Data standards will vary from country to country, so we have to use general data that is available, might work to your advantage, might not. Remember, since we are the richest country on earth, we have much more capacity to handle the homeless/impoverished, so our numbers s/b a small fraction of other countries.....instead it is much higher.

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Nationalised (State Owned banking) brings true socialism to the good ol' US of A....

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It's a start, but we have a loooooong way to go for socialism with most billionaires living here and still a high rate of poverty and homelessness.

It took Nixon to go to China and Reagan to negotiate with Gorbachev.

Maybe it needed a Dubya to socialize the USA.

It least the righties can't whine about Socialist Obama any more. (Well, they can but they'll be hypocrites).

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Nationalised (State Owned banking) brings true socialism to the good ol' US of A....

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyr'd dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high,
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It's a start, but we have a loooooong way to go for socialism with most billionaires living here and still a high rate of poverty and homelessness.

It took Nixon to go to China and Reagan to negotiate with Gorbachev.

Maybe it needed a Dubya to socialize the USA.

It least the righties can't whine about Socialist Obama any more. (Well, they can but they'll be hypocrites).

Yea but when the RW cries about big gov, they don't include military spending in that, they exclusively mean social spending argued under the guise of all gov spending.