normiss 892 #1 October 14, 2008 AND the true facts of life??? Are we REALLY that desperate??? People ARE idiots aren't they? SIUCC! Life sucks sometimes and the false promises of the prophet will NOT help. Oh sure, warm fuzzies are nice and all...but you'll still wake up to reality! Healthcare here. War there. Trickle down over there. Taxes somewhere else. There IS no magic wand people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #2 October 14, 2008 Quote AND the true facts of life??? Are we REALLY that desperate??? People ARE idiots aren't they? SIUCC! Life sucks sometimes and the false promises of the prophet will NOT help. Oh sure, warm fuzzies are nice and all...but you'll still wake up to reality! Healthcare here. War there. Trickle down over there. Taxes somewhere else. There IS no magic wand people. But a heaping pile of shit with the 3 neo-con presidents, I think we see that. We've tried giving copr America a run at the gov, let's seewhat happens with a pres that will take some of that back and give it to the gov and to the people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #3 October 14, 2008 Quote a run at the gov, let's seewhat happens with a pres that will take some of that back and give it to the gov and to the people. We may have our disagreements, but I think you'll understand this: the government never gives anything back. This bailout bill is the perfect example. SecTreas Paulson had a three page plan - transformed in to 450 page law. Now, the government wants to take ownership of banks? Where the f**k was that in the grand plan? Government spending has never gone down...ever. The government gives nothing back, in fact, it's not theirs to begin with.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #4 October 14, 2008 Because 1. We live in a post-literate age. People get their viewpoints as 30 second sound bites which real facts don't fit into. 2. The two parties aren't that far apart. Two relatively centrist parties are the inevitable result of a first-past-the-post voting system and addressing the real issues doesn't fit into that scheme. 3. However bad things seem, America could still be the least expensive first-world nation to live in. As long as 94% of us have jobs, most of us own actual houses on land, nearly all of us have cars, etc. there just doesn't seem to be a pressing need to address any of the real problems. The rich have a lot more than the poor; but it's not like most of our poor live in tin shacks with no windows, electricity, or running water. People living below the poverty level have places to live, cars, and free emergency medical care (preventitive medicine would probably be cheaper). 98% of our population even has at least one color television. 4. 1/3 of Americans pay no income tax. They bottom 50% shoulder only 3% of the income tax burden. Even bottom 95% are only covering 43% of the total. Most people aren't paying directly for what our government is doing so they don't have a vested interest in fixing it. Quote People ARE idiots aren't they? The median IQ is 100. People aren't that smart. That said, points 2-4 mean even smart people have reasons to ignore what's going on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #5 October 14, 2008 Ignoring the issues. Pay attention; we got all the hot issues right here: <> Paper v. plastic <> Pie <> A Golden Gate suicide prevention net <> Conspiracy theorist rantings about how the US government was the real culprit behind the 9/11 bombings. (Kinda scary that there are people out there participating in the election for our highest office who buy into that. And if they are a single issue voter, I wonder how they decide? Is there a party that has a plank in their platform decreeing that GWB sponsored the bombing of the WTC?) As a single-issue voter myself, I'm voting against whichever party comes out against pie. "You got a position on pie as part of your platform?" "No?" "Out with you then you fucking communist pinko anti-pie basatards. What kind of cold cruel world is it when the very basic rights of pie are not even protected for the children of future generations?!"" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #6 October 14, 2008 SOMEONE will want us to register our pies too. Especially if it has more than 11 slices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 October 14, 2008 QuoteQuote a run at the gov, let's seewhat happens with a pres that will take some of that back and give it to the gov and to the people. We may have our disagreements, but I think you'll understand this: the government never gives anything back. This bailout bill is the perfect example. SecTreas Paulson had a three page plan - transformed in to 450 page law. Now, the government wants to take ownership of banks? Where the f**k was that in the grand plan? Government spending has never gone down...ever. The government gives nothing back, in fact, it's not theirs to begin with. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We may have our disagreements, but I think you'll understand this: the government never gives anything back. Right, they give it to corp America or it gets lost in teh gov somewhere. In Socialized nations it does get redistributed, Communism it goes to the gov. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This bailout bill is the perfect example. SecTreas Paulson had a three page plan - transformed in to 450 page law. Yes, a perfect example of the gov taking from taxpayers directly or in this case writing more bad checks onto teh debt to give to corporations. This is noit Communism where the gov takes for the good of the gov, this $$$ is going to corporate America. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now, the government wants to take ownership of banks? Where the f**k was that in the grand plan? I think that's the best idea of all. I think they should take ownership of hospitals too. The gov has far more accountability than does corp America, just look at Grey Davis and recall election, look at Clinton's Impeachment and look at Republican scum Libby, but he is the exception, as his dirty Republican trash president communted him, just like Nixon, but there was still some accountability. Now let's look at corporate scum that gets away, there are many and they generally serve short terms or not at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Government spending has never gone down...ever. Social spending increases in part due to an increasing population, military spending increases above the massive number it has due to the R word, as Obama gets elected I can hope that falls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>The government gives nothing back, in fact, it's not theirs to begin with. Gee that's funny, the 10 trillion $ was never ours, yet it was taken from teh gov when the people spend too much, so perhaps we should give back for the good of the little ones. If we had a multi-billion $ surplus, I would agree with you, but we are so far in the hole that we are the thieves via the trash that has been elected lately, that trash being the 3 stooges, perhaps GHWB gets a partial ride from that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #8 October 14, 2008 I'm always amazed that the left purports to distrust our government, then proceeds to demand that they take over more and more of our industry. It makes no sense. Let's have gov't provided healthcare! Yayyy, because we can just TRUST that it'll be run great like all other government programs. Let's tax the hell out of the companies and people that are providing jobs to the US like the costs won't get passed on to consumers. Let's raise minimum wage and expect that it won't affect inflation! Let's discourage investment in our markets by taxing the hell out of capital gains! GREAT IDEAS!! It's much better for them if they focus on what really counts, like Palin's daughter's baby's father. When your product sucks, you have to market to the largest and lowest common denominator to get people to buy it. Unfortunately, it works.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #9 October 14, 2008 QuoteI'm always amazed that the left purports to distrust our government, then proceeds to demand that they take over more and more of our industry. It makes no sense. Let's have gov't provided healthcare! Yayyy, because we can just TRUST that it'll be run great like all other government programs. Let's tax the hell out of the companies and people that are providing jobs to the US like the costs won't get passed on to consumers. Let's raise minimum wage and expect that it won't affect inflation! Let's discourage investment in our markets by taxing the hell out of capital gains! GREAT IDEAS!! It's much better for them if they focus on what really counts, like Palin's daughter's baby's father. When your product sucks, you have to market to the largest and lowest common denominator to get people to buy it. Unfortunately, it works. It works way to well, unfortunately. Great post.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #10 October 14, 2008 QuoteI'm always amazed that the left purports to distrust our government, then proceeds to demand that they take over more and more of our industry. It makes no sense. Let's have gov't provided healthcare! Yayyy, because we can just TRUST that it'll be run great like all other government programs. Let's tax the hell out of the companies and people that are providing jobs to the US like the costs won't get passed on to consumers. Let's raise minimum wage and expect that it won't affect inflation! Let's discourage investment in our markets by taxing the hell out of capital gains! GREAT IDEAS!! It's much better for them if they focus on what really counts, like Palin's daughter's baby's father. When your product sucks, you have to market to the largest and lowest common denominator to get people to buy it. Unfortunately, it works. Maybe you could send this to the McCain/Palin campaign. They don't seem to want to talk about these issues. They'd rather tell ghost stories to their mob. Unfortunately, it works. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #11 October 14, 2008 QuoteMaybe you could send this to the McCain/Palin campaign. They don't seem to want to talk about these issues. They'd rather tell ghost stories to their mob. Unfortunately, it works. Correct. That last paragraph applies to everyone. It's a neverending cycle. If one side does it, the other has to as well to keep up. I personally blame Jerry Springer for starting all of this!Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #12 October 14, 2008 Apparently it's not working quite as well as the kool aide the other side is drinking... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #13 October 15, 2008 Quote(Kinda scary that there are people out there participating in the election for our highest office who buy into that. And if they are a single issue voter, I wonder how they decide? What is scariest is that thiese words are more suited to the reality about Christian religion in the USA and how it effects the elections, these GWB, Palin quotres of 'holy wars' and 'Gods will' are not likely thier actual beliefs but they are simply saying it for the votes. This blind faith mindset is what allows the war, greed and destruction to continue. The problems with the world, its economy, people and environment are less to do with those that wish to refute what we have been told, it is more to do with the greediocracy playing with human apathy and feeding you what you wan't to know. 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely' Quote QuoteConspiracy theorist rantings about how the US government was the real culprit behind the 9/11 bombings. (Kinda scary that there are people out there participating in the election for our highest office who buy into that. And if they are a single issue voter, I wonder how they decide? Is there a party that has a plank in their platform decreeing that GWB sponsored the bombing of the WTC?) "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #14 October 15, 2008 there is no left! or right! its just a tactic to divide people. You can conquer folks faster if you divide the problem in half and get a majority! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #15 October 15, 2008 Quotethere is no left! or right! its just a tactic to divide people. You can conquer folks faster if you divide the problem in half and get a majority! Welfare or public assistance is a large tax burden on the taxpayers, but what if the majority of voters were on public assistance and voted in what/who they wanted. Does this mean problem solved with a majority?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #16 October 15, 2008 QuoteQuotethere is no left! or right! its just a tactic to divide people. You can conquer folks faster if you divide the problem in half and get a majority! Welfare or public assistance is a large tax burden on the taxpayers, but what if the majority of voters were on public assistance and voted in what/who they wanted. Does this mean problem solved with a majority? What % of the federal budget is welfare/public assistance?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #17 October 15, 2008 Social security, 20.77% Medicare, 13.16% Medicaid & state children's health insurance 7.23% Unemployment/welfare 11.61% Source. I don't feel like looking up a second, but these look about right. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #18 October 15, 2008 QuoteSocial security, 20.77% Medicare, 13.16% Medicaid & state children's health insurance 7.23% Unemployment/welfare 11.61% Source. I don't feel like looking up a second, but these look about right. Social Security is neither welfare nor public assistance. Do try to focus.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #19 October 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteSocial security, 20.77% Medicare, 13.16% Medicaid & state children's health insurance 7.23% Unemployment/welfare 11.61% Source. I don't feel like looking up a second, but these look about right. Social Security is neither welfare nor public assistance. Do try to focus. I just listed the top ones from that site. I'm not even in the argument yet, just did the research for you. Even so, the other three make up roughly 30%. I'd call that a tax burder. Do try and answer a question without a one line snide remark. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #20 October 15, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteSocial security, 20.77% Medicare, 13.16% Medicaid & state children's health insurance 7.23% Unemployment/welfare 11.61% Source. I don't feel like looking up a second, but these look about right. Social Security is neither welfare nor public assistance. Do try to focus. I just listed the top ones from that site. I'm not even in the argument yet, just did the research for you. Even so, the other three make up roughly 30%. I'd call that a tax burder. Do try and answer a question without a one line snide remark. What was your question?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #21 October 15, 2008 Quote SOMEONE will want us to register our pies too. Especially if it has more than 11 slices. If you can't feed a deer with 11 slices, you need to become a better zookeeper. You don't need 250 slices of pie for a job that 1 or 2 slices can do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #22 October 15, 2008 But we LOVE pie!!! the more pie, the better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
