TrophyHusband 0 #76 October 10, 2008 i gotta agree with our fiends o the other side of the isle on this one. if there were anything to it, i'm sure it would have been brought up long ago. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #77 October 10, 2008 Quote our fiends o the other side of the isle Hey!You did that on purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #78 October 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteand when? First we have the issue of "Citizen" vs. "Natural Born Citizen" in which he has been declared a citizen. Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Panama Canal Zone and the fact that his parents were American citizens - was thought to be enough to satisfy the constitutional requirement that the President be a "Natural Born Citizen" with one exception... The law conferring "Natural Born Citizenship" to children of American citizens serving in the Panama Canal Zone was not passed until 1937 - thereby, making his status as "Natural Born Citizen" one year too late. Thanks for the additional information. This is the first I had heard of this. Illustrative of the today's more globalized world -- and even the last century -- compared to that of the late 1700s. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #79 October 10, 2008 QuoteQuotehey i didn't start this. i've known about this website about Obama for months and didn't bring it up. i figured if it was really valid someone would see it through. i'm just talking to what the website says and what is needed to be a citizen of the US. man you lefties are touchy Because we all know that if it's on the internet it must be true.. this is a lawsuite against Obama that is in court right now. this is being prosecuted by a democrat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #80 October 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote If Obama's mother is a citizen of the US, naturalized or otherwise, then it doesn't matter where he was born. The child of a US citizen is automatically a citizen as soon as the birth is registered at a US Consul/embassy (if born abroad). Trust me, i know of what i speak. My mother was born in canada of American parents who were there for several years working at a university. She has always been and always will be a US citizen. Of course, i had to research all this because apparently many people don't understand this fact, including the people who investigate security clearances. Every clearance i applied for was held up because they thought she was canadian... but both of your parents are citizens, not one and you weren't born in the country of the parent that wasn't a citizen. makes a difference. My daughter was born in China of a Russian mother and American father. She is a US citizen (certificate and passport and all...) as much as a person born in Oklahoma of American father and mother. You only need one parent to be a US citizen (with some quotas as to where this parent has lived for how long, etc...) to become a US citizen when born in a foreign country. these restrictions on were Obama's mother was and lived is part of what is under qjeustion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #81 October 10, 2008 Quote >why not just produce a birth certificate and clear up this matter? He did, and it was distributed on the net. But maybe it's a fake! Maybe he was born in Iran (or worse yet) FRANCE! So you're saying that now Obama is a un-American black muslim communist french terrorist? This guy just gets worse and worse! .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #82 October 10, 2008 >So you're saying that now Obama is a un-American black muslim >communist french terrorist? Yes! And recent reports from Newsmax say he might not even be black! He just got his skin dyed so he can play the race card. What ELSE is he hiding? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuck.reilly 0 #83 October 10, 2008 From the Associated Press - Candidates meet 'natural-born' test despite rumors By ANN SANNER, Associated Press Writer As John McCain and Barack Obama vie to become president, certain fevered voices persist in saying they should not even be allowed to try. In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else, critics of the candidates argue that each does not qualify to run for the White House because he's not a "natural-born citizen" as the Constitution requires. Obama plainly is, because he was born in the U.S. McCain qualifies, too, although the circumstances of his birth — on a U.S. naval base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 — were unusual enough to merit a review. In California, U.S. District Judge William Alsup threw out a lawsuit seeking to remove McCain from the state's ballot because of his birthplace. Alsup ruled in September that McCain was essentially a qualifying citizen two times over — first, because both his parents were U.S. citizens, which satisfied eligibility rules of the time; and because a law passed a year after his birth retroactively recognizing people born in the zone as natural-born Americans. McCain's father was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone with the U.S. Navy. The Constitution requires that only "natural-born" citizens hold the presidency. But the Founding Fathers did not elaborate on the term, so bloggers and others have had a field day. Theories abound that Obama actually was born abroad and that his birth certificate, proving he was born in Hawaii, is a fake. Obama was born in Honolulu in 1961, two years after Hawaii became a state. He is the son of a Kenyan father and a mother from Kansas, who met and married in Hawaii. After the marriage failed, a 6-year-old Obama left Hawaii to spend four years in Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. In 1971, when he was 10, Obama's mother sent him back to Honolulu to stay with his maternal grandparents. In response to the allegations, Obama's campaign in June posted the Illinois senator's birth certificate on his campaign Web site, http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate. The nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org examined the original document and said it does have a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document. Even so, a lawsuit challenging Obama's candidacy was filed in August in a U.S. District Court in Pennsylvania and is still pending----------------------------------- "There are two kinds of skydivers in this world, the kind that skydive to enrich their lives and the kind that skydive to define their lives. Don't be the latter." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #84 October 10, 2008 A common sense article! That thing has no place here in Speaker's Corner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #85 October 10, 2008 I'm not reading this full thread, instead just addressing the OP. This has been a conspiracy thing tossed around about Obama since he started running for office in IL. The interesting part is that he was born inside the USA, meanwhile McCain was born on a military base outside of the US. Anyhow I won't sum up what these links say. Educate yourself and you will find all the answers you need on these sites: HERE IS A HINT: THIS ONE SHOWS THE PROOF OF HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gcwFmRs78Gz6-31o50qhACm-Y24AD93NRJE00 http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #86 October 10, 2008 QuoteI'm not reading this full thread, instead just addressing the OP. This has been a conspiracy thing tossed around about Obama since he started running for office in IL. The interesting part is that he was born inside the USA, meanwhile McCain was born on a military base outside of the US. Anyhow I won't sum up what these links say. Educate yourself and you will find all the answers you need on these sites: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gcwFmRs78Gz6-31o50qhACm-Y24AD93NRJE00 http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate the lawsuite claims he was born in kenya and registered in hawaii. the facts of this is what is in dispute on the lawsuite. everyone knows if he was born in hawaii that he would be a citizen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #87 October 10, 2008 Quotethe lawsuite claims he was born in kenya and registered in hawaii. the facts of this is what is in dispute on the lawsuite. everyone knows if he was born in hawaii that he would be a citizen. Just like the lawsuit that went against McCain that U.S. District Judge William Alsu threw out of court, this one will be as well. Why? The proof is there of his birth inside Hawaii. The problem with a rumors is that they get legs of their own and people believe they are true because it's been sent to their email a few times despite the proof. I do find it interesting that the McCain lawsuit didn't get as much coverage. Guess that proves that racism really is a stronger source of fear than ageism._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #88 October 10, 2008 Quote the lawsuite claims he was born in kenya and registered in hawaii. the facts of this is what is in dispute on the lawsuite. everyone knows if he was born in hawaii that he would be a citizen. Unfortunately no, everyone does not know this. Hells bell, my mother even forwarded me one yesterday STILL claiming that Hussein Obama is really a muslim. There seem to be plenty of morons out there trying to fling poo on this and other issues hoping and praying that something will stick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #89 October 10, 2008 OK, I fess up. I'm not really a US Citizen. The fact is, that I was born in Germany. My parents are American, of course, but they obviously spent enough time really close to France to be influenced by those Frog bastards, so they can't really be American in their true hearts. My father was in the American Army, but that doesn't mean anything - he was only following orders, and his commanders were probably in on the whole conspiracy. I have an American birth certificate that was signed by hand by Henry Kissinger, but that guy had a funny accent, and he "mysteriously" emerged unscathed from Watergate. I humbly await the impending lawsuit proving I'm not really a US Citizen. Maybe after Schwarzenegger is elected President (which is OK, even though he's not a citizen, because he has the right moral values), he'll be able to pardon me or something.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #90 October 10, 2008 Quote Quote our fiends o the other side of the isle Hey!You did that on purpose. crap, i meant to say friends but now its too late to edit it. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #91 October 10, 2008 Quote Quote Quote our fiends o the other side of the isle Hey!You did that on purpose. crap, i meant to say friends but now its too late to edit it. Hey, over the years I've made out dozens of checks to "Infernal Revenue Service". They always get deposited.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #92 October 11, 2008 what the fuck do you have to do to owe the irs? our return gets larger every year no matter what we put on the w-2. it would be nice not to have the government hold on to thousands of dollars for us interest free. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #93 October 11, 2008 >what the fuck do you have to do to owe the irs? Take lots of deductions. Sell a lot of stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #94 October 11, 2008 Quotewhat the fuck do you have to do to owe the irs? our return gets larger every year no matter what we put on the w-2. it would be nice not to have the government hold on to thousands of dollars for us interest free. I used to have a small business and paid estimated tax every quarter.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #95 October 11, 2008 Quotewhat the fuck do you have to do to owe the irs? our return gets larger every year no matter what we put on the w-2. it would be nice not to have the government hold on to thousands of dollars for us interest free. Not everyone works off a W2. Not everyone makes the standard deductions. Lots of people make quick capital gains that are heavily taxed. Most of these people have to pay their taxes in quarterly bills. If you have your own Corp or LLC or just work off a 1099 on some independent stuff, you will pay taxes like this._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
