Heatmiser 0 #26 October 9, 2008 Ok, to clarify, I am not a pollster, and honestly am not sold on either of these guys. I am pursuing every shred of info in making my decision. I am not trying to muddy the waters, they are already thick as mud. Can anyone tell me how either of these guys will be good for our country? After watching the debates, I can't come up with any clear answers.What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #27 October 9, 2008 Why not produce a birth certificate to quash all the "smear".Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #28 October 9, 2008 QuoteUmm no. Any child of a U.S. Citizen born anywhere is a citizen of the United States once the birth is registered by a U.S. Consul. Its called Birth Abroad of a U.S. Citizen. Honestly now, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Does SEN. McCain bring it up? If not then they must have no proof otherwise. But seriously this is just a smear tactic. I mean which plantation was John Sidney McCain born in? I mean his grandparents did own plantations right? Oh and would he have gotten into the Naval Academy if not for his 4-star Father and Grandfather? Oh well it doesn't matter since he showed how much he thought of the school by studying hard and graduating first... er second err 450th err oh yeah 894 out of 899. You see how dirty the smear tactics work? It logic to nowhere! certainly perfected by the McCain campaign. no you are wrong read this www.visalaw.com/01mar2/12mar201.html Obama's mam did spend time outside the us and that would make Obama not a citizen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #29 October 9, 2008 Quote .... Obama's mam did spend time outside the us and that would make Obama not a citizen Woah. That's harsh. As soon as you leave the US, live a while outside, you are no more a US citizen?? Jesus. Now I understand the meaning of "The Land Of the Free" And Obama's mom, as a US citizen - she too would be no citizen any more? As far as I know, she's an American, and Obama's born in Hawaii, which is US, too. No? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #30 October 9, 2008 Quote Quote .... Obama's mam did spend time outside the us and that would make Obama not a citizen Woah. That's harsh. As soon as you leave the US, live a while outside, you are no more a US citizen?? Jesus. Now I understand the meaning of "The Land Of the Free" And Obama's mom, as a US citizen - she too would be no citizen any more? As far as I know, she's an American, and Obama's born in Hawaii, which is US, too. No? no you must spend at least 10 years in the US and 5 years after age 14. Obamas mom spent time in Kenya previous to Barrack's birth and there has been no proof he was born here. a couple of his relatives say he was born in Kenya and registered in Hawaii, his father was a Kenya citizen. if this is the case he would not be a natural born citizen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #31 October 9, 2008 oh man you're on to something.. I mean i'll go start asking all my senior officers for the long form of their birth certs before listening to them. (A Army Officer must be a U.S. Citizen) Oh shit they might ask for mine? crap marks2065 where do I get a long form!!!!! I have only given the Army a short form! Is my career in jeopardy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #32 October 9, 2008 QuoteI have only given the Army a short form! If you had nothing to hide, you would have obviously given the long form. What are you hidding?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #33 October 9, 2008 What is a long form? What is a short form? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #34 October 9, 2008 Sounds like you are hidding something too, Christel. Admit it: you're not a US citizen!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #35 October 9, 2008 QuoteWhat is a long form? What is a short form? one is an actual certification of all the information of birth like date time place country ect. the other only list date and time and hospital registered to. you can be registered at a hospital when coming back into the US. If Obama was actually born in the US his origonal would show this but if he was born outside the US hi origonal would show that also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #36 October 9, 2008 Ohh so Obama's mom didn't spend at least 10 years in the U.S after age 14. I see so clear now. Obama is a U.S. Citizen born in freakin Hawaii. Now I just told you my predicament about not having a long/short form. I suppose the Army will haul me away once they discover this forum. Since they have been monitoring my posts every since the first day I gave them a short form. oh crap my long lost relatives in ireland might start claiming me if I run for prez. I met them once, when i was 5 I think! I'm sure at this point they don't know if i'm dead or alive. much less know where I was born. I hope they don't claim that I was born in Ireland though. that'll ruin my chances for world domination! I think i'll have vortex arrange a hit on them. ya know make it look like a accident. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #37 October 9, 2008 umm, why not focus on real issues? besides SEN McCain should be heading up this breach of law and American trust. I mean how dare Obama get away with not producing a long form! I think I can guess who you are voting for. Pls ask him to show leadership and accuse Obama of treachery at the next debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #38 October 9, 2008 dude, I have been duping the Army for this long!! they'll never find out! bwaaahaahahaha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #39 October 9, 2008 Quoteoh man you're on to something.. I mean i'll go start asking all my senior officers for the long form of their birth certs before listening to them. (A Army Officer must be a U.S. Citizen) yes but not a naturalized citizen, there is a difference and this is the requirements to be president Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #40 October 9, 2008 QuoteOhh so Obama's mom didn't spend at least 10 years in the U.S after age 14. I see so clear now. Obama is a U.S. Citizen born in freakin Hawaii. Now I just told you my predicament about not having a long/short form. I suppose the Army will haul me away once they discover this forum. Since they have been monitoring my posts every since the first day I gave them a short form. oh crap my long lost relatives in ireland might start claiming me if I run for prez. I met them once, when i was 5 I think! I'm sure at this point they don't know if i'm dead or alive. much less know where I was born. I hope they don't claim that I was born in Ireland though. that'll ruin my chances for world domination! I think i'll have vortex arrange a hit on them. ya know make it look like a accident. i don't see abig deal just show he was born in Hawaii and not Kenya and this will all be dropped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MegaGoliath11 0 #41 October 9, 2008 dude he did. with the short form. I mean honestly if this was such a potential show stopper for Obama then why isn't McCain leveeing there charges? I mean really, let me know what you think the reason is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #42 October 9, 2008 Quote Sounds like you are hidding something too, Christel. Admit it: you're not a US citizen! Yes. I do. (The fact I used to live for many years outside Germany). But still I am German, with a 2nd nationality: French (husband). I doubt I would like to change any of that. Even BC was a fine place to live. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #43 October 9, 2008 You don't even have your terms right. A 'naturalized' citizen is one who WASN'T born a U.S. citizen but became one. A 'natural born' citizen is what is required. Anyone born of a U.S. citizen anywhere in the world, and anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents citizenship are natural born U.S. citizens.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #44 October 9, 2008 Quotedude he did. with the short form. I mean honestly if this was such a potential show stopper for Obama then why isn't McCain leveeing there charges? I mean really, let me know what you think the reason is. what happens if he was born 2 days earlier in Kenya? then registered in Hawaii? His mom was in kenya within a week of his birth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #45 October 9, 2008 QuoteYou don't even have your terms right. A 'naturalized' citizen is one who WASN'T born a U.S. citizen but became one. A 'natural born' citizen is what is required. Anyone born of a U.S. citizen anywhere in the world, and anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents citizenship are natural born U.S. citizens. sorry but if you want to be correct with me be correct with yourself. read the rules. just because your mom is a citizen doesn't make you one. read the rules for citizenship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MegaGoliath11 0 #46 October 9, 2008 wow, you need to take your reasearch DIRECTLY to John McCain and put an end to Obama's charade Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BikerBabe 0 #47 October 9, 2008 If Obama's mother is a citizen of the US, naturalized or otherwise, then it doesn't matter where he was born. The child of a US citizen is automatically a citizen as soon as the birth is registered at a US Consul/embassy (if born abroad). Trust me, i know of what i speak. My mother was born in canada of American parents who were there for several years working at a university. She has always been and always will be a US citizen. Of course, i had to research all this because apparently many people don't understand this fact, including the people who investigate security clearances. Every clearance i applied for was held up because they thought she was canadian... Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MegaGoliath11 0 #48 October 9, 2008 you need to give them your long form immediately. and when you do tell me how to get one. trust me our careers are in jeopardy! psst THEY are monitoring this forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #49 October 9, 2008 Quotewow, you need to take your reasearch DIRECTLY to John McCain and put an end to Obama's charade hey i didn't start this. i've known about this website about Obama for months and didn't bring it up. i figured if it was really valid someone would see it through. i'm just talking to what the website says and what is needed to be a citizen of the US. man you lefties are touchy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks2065 0 #50 October 9, 2008 Quote If Obama's mother is a citizen of the US, naturalized or otherwise, then it doesn't matter where he was born. The child of a US citizen is automatically a citizen as soon as the birth is registered at a US Consul/embassy (if born abroad). Trust me, i know of what i speak. My mother was born in canada of American parents who were there for several years working at a university. She has always been and always will be a US citizen. Of course, i had to research all this because apparently many people don't understand this fact, including the people who investigate security clearances. Every clearance i applied for was held up because they thought she was canadian... but both of your parents are citizens, not one and you weren't born in the country of the parent that wasn't a citizen. makes a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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marks2065 0 #40 October 9, 2008 QuoteOhh so Obama's mom didn't spend at least 10 years in the U.S after age 14. I see so clear now. Obama is a U.S. Citizen born in freakin Hawaii. Now I just told you my predicament about not having a long/short form. I suppose the Army will haul me away once they discover this forum. Since they have been monitoring my posts every since the first day I gave them a short form. oh crap my long lost relatives in ireland might start claiming me if I run for prez. I met them once, when i was 5 I think! I'm sure at this point they don't know if i'm dead or alive. much less know where I was born. I hope they don't claim that I was born in Ireland though. that'll ruin my chances for world domination! I think i'll have vortex arrange a hit on them. ya know make it look like a accident. i don't see abig deal just show he was born in Hawaii and not Kenya and this will all be dropped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #41 October 9, 2008 dude he did. with the short form. I mean honestly if this was such a potential show stopper for Obama then why isn't McCain leveeing there charges? I mean really, let me know what you think the reason is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #42 October 9, 2008 Quote Sounds like you are hidding something too, Christel. Admit it: you're not a US citizen! Yes. I do. (The fact I used to live for many years outside Germany). But still I am German, with a 2nd nationality: French (husband). I doubt I would like to change any of that. Even BC was a fine place to live. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #43 October 9, 2008 You don't even have your terms right. A 'naturalized' citizen is one who WASN'T born a U.S. citizen but became one. A 'natural born' citizen is what is required. Anyone born of a U.S. citizen anywhere in the world, and anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents citizenship are natural born U.S. citizens.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #44 October 9, 2008 Quotedude he did. with the short form. I mean honestly if this was such a potential show stopper for Obama then why isn't McCain leveeing there charges? I mean really, let me know what you think the reason is. what happens if he was born 2 days earlier in Kenya? then registered in Hawaii? His mom was in kenya within a week of his birth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #45 October 9, 2008 QuoteYou don't even have your terms right. A 'naturalized' citizen is one who WASN'T born a U.S. citizen but became one. A 'natural born' citizen is what is required. Anyone born of a U.S. citizen anywhere in the world, and anyone born in the U.S. regardless of their parents citizenship are natural born U.S. citizens. sorry but if you want to be correct with me be correct with yourself. read the rules. just because your mom is a citizen doesn't make you one. read the rules for citizenship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #46 October 9, 2008 wow, you need to take your reasearch DIRECTLY to John McCain and put an end to Obama's charade Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #47 October 9, 2008 If Obama's mother is a citizen of the US, naturalized or otherwise, then it doesn't matter where he was born. The child of a US citizen is automatically a citizen as soon as the birth is registered at a US Consul/embassy (if born abroad). Trust me, i know of what i speak. My mother was born in canada of American parents who were there for several years working at a university. She has always been and always will be a US citizen. Of course, i had to research all this because apparently many people don't understand this fact, including the people who investigate security clearances. Every clearance i applied for was held up because they thought she was canadian... Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MegaGoliath11 0 #48 October 9, 2008 you need to give them your long form immediately. and when you do tell me how to get one. trust me our careers are in jeopardy! psst THEY are monitoring this forum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #49 October 9, 2008 Quotewow, you need to take your reasearch DIRECTLY to John McCain and put an end to Obama's charade hey i didn't start this. i've known about this website about Obama for months and didn't bring it up. i figured if it was really valid someone would see it through. i'm just talking to what the website says and what is needed to be a citizen of the US. man you lefties are touchy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #50 October 9, 2008 Quote If Obama's mother is a citizen of the US, naturalized or otherwise, then it doesn't matter where he was born. The child of a US citizen is automatically a citizen as soon as the birth is registered at a US Consul/embassy (if born abroad). Trust me, i know of what i speak. My mother was born in canada of American parents who were there for several years working at a university. She has always been and always will be a US citizen. Of course, i had to research all this because apparently many people don't understand this fact, including the people who investigate security clearances. Every clearance i applied for was held up because they thought she was canadian... but both of your parents are citizens, not one and you weren't born in the country of the parent that wasn't a citizen. makes a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
