JohnRich 4 #1 October 9, 2008 'Supervision poor' at drowning pool Warning on child drownings Drowning is the leading killer of American children Two brothers drown in home pool boy, sister drown in swimming pool Man, Toddler Drown in Pool Two toddlers drown in private poolsIrresponsible people shouldn't be allowed to own swimming pools! How many children must die before something is done? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 October 9, 2008 Hey John -- Any way we can get you to keep the "Yet More Loonies . . . " threads to a single grouping per day? Maybe just "Yet More Loonies with common object used as weapons"?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #3 October 9, 2008 When swimming pools become the weapon of choice of homicidal maniacs, your post will have some merit. As it is, it just makes you look silly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 October 9, 2008 QuoteAny way we can get you to keep the "Yet More Loonies . . . " threads to a single grouping per day? Maybe just "Yet More Loonies with common object used as weapons"? Well, I haven't posted many threads lately, so I'm making up for lost time. Besides, I'm done now. I think the readers will get my point. All but a few, anyway. With your suggested thread title, I see that you understand - the problem is not the objects, it's the loonies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 October 9, 2008 QuoteWhen swimming pools become the weapon of choice of homicidal maniacs, your post will have some merit. As it is, it just makes you look silly. So children dying accidentally don't matter? It's only important if they're killed by a homicidal maniac with a gun? How can you be so cruel and cold-hearted? Do you think the parents of those drowned children grieve any less than those who have been shot to death? Here's a summary of child deaths in Georgia, that shows that 12 times more children die from drowning than from gunshots: http://www.childdeathreview.org/Reports/GAExecSummary2005.pdf (For those that don't want to open the pdf file, you can view the attached chart.) And you, kallend, don't even think the loss of these precious little lives are important? You think that being concerned about dead children is "silly"? There are too many loonies with swimming pools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #6 October 9, 2008 Quote There are too many loonies with swimming pools! I didn't see anything in those posts that suggested mental illness on the part of the pool owners. Not like this.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #7 October 9, 2008 I've read in a few places that it is #2; behind car accidents. That is for children under 14. Couldn't quickly find other age breakdowns on causes of death. That's still pretty high for the age group, considering it is the cause of only 2/3rds of 1 percent of all deaths nationwide. Surprisingly, our insurance rate is barely effected by our having a pool. I get a much higher rate-up ($400 per year) because we have an old silo on the property. Puts us in a farm/agriculture classification. The other thing is that we recently got a huge increase (50%) because our carrier decided to add the square footage of our poolhouse to the footage of the house. So they used to value the house at $225K, but jacked it up to $530K. That is for a 45' by 32' addition that has the structural complexity of a garage. It's just a big empty shell that happens to have a pool in it. Freakin' ridiculous! So we went to a different carrier that sees it for what it is; a garage that happens to house a pool. As for the safety angle; the doors not only have deadbolts, but each has a hasp and padlock as well. If it were outdoors, I'd have one of those wave sensing alarms. Those should be mandatory since the required fencing I've seen would not keep a lot of little climbers out." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #8 October 9, 2008 Quote .... Well, I haven't posted many threads lately, so I'm making up for lost time. Besides, I'm done now. I think the readers will get my point. All but a few, anyway. With your suggested thread title, I see that you understand - the problem is not the objects, it's the loonies. I'm a reader and as I understand your various threads, there's a lot of violence around you, no matter which weapon is used - except the deadly pools, of course (this is a kinda passive thing). Seems to be your favourite hobby, I mean: collecting such "events". dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 October 9, 2008 QuoteI didn't see anything in those posts that suggested mental illness on the part of the pool owners. And yet all those children are still dead! It's not just mental illness that causes people to die. It's also negligence, recklessness and irresponsibility. While the parents grieve over the lifeless little bodies of their children, you are only able to muster concern for just the .2% of child deaths caused by loonies with firearms. How grotesquely uncaring of you to ignore all those other senseless tragedies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 October 9, 2008 Quoteas I understand your various threads, there's a lot of violence around you, no matter which weapon is used. But of course. I'm certain that in Germany where you live, that no one ever drowns in a pool, is killed by a drunk driver, or gets stabbed to death. These kind of things only happen in America. We should all be as lucky as you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #11 October 9, 2008 Quote Quote as I understand your various threads, there's a lot of violence around you, no matter which weapon is used. But of course. I'm certain that in Germany where you live, that no one ever drowns in a pool, is killed by a drunk driver, or gets stabbed to death. These kind of things only happen in America. We should all be as lucky as you. Yes, of course it does happen. Babies, kiddies - horrible deaths if parents or supervisors are not present or just looking the other way.... But, it's not registered under violent crimes. The ones you publish here (and there, in your other threads) are acts of violence. Many. edited for typo dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 October 9, 2008 Drowning is a very violent death. We can outlaw all swimming pools (and beaches). It's worth it if we can "just save one child" You know,....if we wrap everyone with government supplied bubble wrap, they'd be safe from minor bumps and collisions, and also would be much more buoyant. think about it ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 917 #13 October 9, 2008 Today in Florida - it's hammer vs. letter opener FIGHT! letter opener wins! Maybe it would work better if we simply started removing the loonies from society. Given they all seem to have "a history" it should be easy to identify them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 October 9, 2008 QuoteYes, of course it does happen. Babies, kiddies - horrible deaths if partents or supervisors are not present or just looking the other way.... But, it's not registered under violent crimes. Accidental drownings and drunk driving deaths are not registered as "violent crime" in U.S. statistics. Only stabbings. But in a general sense, I would consider all of them to be a "violent" way to die. I'd much prefer to just go in my sleep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 October 9, 2008 QuoteMaybe it would work better if we simply started removing the loonies from society. Given they all seem to have "a history" it should be easy to identify them. But, but, they have rights too! We can't have gulags where we round-up everyone who is "different" and incarcerate them for life. Because if we start doing that, then how will the definitions grow, and who else will be sucked-in? Yes, it might make society more safe, but at what cost? Maybe we should just learn to accept the fact that we can't stop all crime before it happens, and live with the idea that in order to be free, this is a price that we pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #16 October 9, 2008 Not to add any more fuel to this fire, but since the focus here is on drownings it's best if you were also aware of incidents of 'dry drowning' as well. More information to the wise. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3231351;search_string=drowning%20after%20swimming;#3231351 This is a serious subject. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #17 October 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteI didn't see anything in those posts that suggested mental illness on the part of the pool owners. And yet all those children are still dead! It's not just mental illness that causes people to die. It's also negligence, recklessness and irresponsibility. YOU wrote the thread title, not me. So fess up that it's false since you have no evidence that it's true. OTOH, we have ample evidence that homicidal maniacs favor guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #18 October 10, 2008 Quote'Supervision poor' at drowning pool Warning on child drownings Drowning is the leading killer of American children Two brothers drown in home pool boy, sister drown in swimming pool Man, Toddler Drown in Pool Two toddlers drown in private poolsIrresponsible people shouldn't be allowed to own swimming pools! How many children must die before something is done? OK, I had a pool. My insurance agent told me a fence was not required in the state I was living then. Looking back, I would say he was looney for telling me the truth. I put up a nice fence very quickly.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 917 #19 October 10, 2008 Oh stop John. Soon, people will realize that homicidal maniacs prefer oxygen and food. What will we do THEN???? oh...and bathrooms....they will need bathrooms. Outlaw bathrooms. That's the fix. If loonies can't poop, society will be safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 October 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteAnd yet all those children are still dead! It's not just mental illness that causes people to die. It's also negligence, recklessness and irresponsibility... YOU wrote the thread title, not me. So fess up that it's false since you have no evidence that it's true. People who are negligent, reckless and/or irresponsible with a pool while small children are around are "loony". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #21 October 10, 2008 QuoteOK, I had a pool. My insurance agent told me a fence was not required in the state I was living then. Looking back, I would say he was looney for telling me the truth. I put up a nice fence very quickly. Congratulations! You are one of the responsible ones for doing the right thing, even if you didn't have to. This means that you are definitely NOT loony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 October 10, 2008 Quote ...they will need bathrooms. Outlaw bathrooms. That's the fix. If loonies can't poop, society will be safer. No, then they'll just break into our homes and use ours. They'll get my toilet when they pry my cold, dead ass from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 917 #23 October 10, 2008 That's funny right there. I really hope a few people realize the absurdity of all this....doubtful, but hopeful .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #24 October 10, 2008 YAAAAAAAAARGH! I've wasted at least half a dozen seconds of my life looking at this wank thread!!! It's given me an idea for a new one though: Title: 'YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh!' Subject: 'Frickin' hit my thumb with my hammer today....' 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #25 October 10, 2008 QuoteHere's a summary of child deaths in Georgia, that shows that 12 times more children die from drowning than from gunshots: Where do you get that? Here are 3 plots of that data breakdown attached. As you can see, there are more gun deaths than drownings. You included only the 3 "other" firearm deaths, and left out homicide and suicide firearm deaths. My attached plots do not include under 1 year old. Sadly one firearm homicide, 1 drowning homicide and one drowning accidental death for this age. Edit to add: in your original plot, all but ~300 of those "medical" deaths were under 1 year old. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
