nerdgirl 0 #1 October 4, 2008 Hypothesis: those who trusted the U.S. Government (USG) on the WMD threat posed by Iraq prior to OIF -- the March 2003 invasion -- seem to not trust the USG on the severity of financial crisis. Anecdotally observe that there seem to be a pattern emerging, would like to test/explore the question … and more interestingly the underlying ‘why’? I can speculate explanations. It may also be that my anecdotal observations are wrong. (?) Also curious if the converse holds (those who did *not* trust the USG on the WMD threat posed by Iraq prior to OIF, do they trust the USG on the severity of financial crisis?) That pattern doesn’t seem as apparent to me … but it may be there. So where do you fall and why? VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2 October 4, 2008 QuoteAlso curious if the converse holds (those who did *not* trust the USG on the WMD threat posed by Iraq prior to OIF, do they trust the USG on the severity of financial crisis?) That would be me. As to why, I guess I don't have a great reason, just intuition mostly. With the WMD threat, well it was coming mostly from GWB, who I didn't trust, and the feeling I got at the time made me think that it was BS. With the financial crisis, just from what I can see for myself, things have changed dramatically in the last couple of years (especially home prices and foreclosures), so I don't find it too hard to believe that this extends to a much larger scale that I don't necessarily see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #3 October 4, 2008 I did trust them about the WMDs but remind me what they said and when about the financial crisis. All I remember over the last year was completel denial. I actually saw a lot of denial here as well but I attributed that to them not having a career in business.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #4 October 4, 2008 It's your job to NEVER trust your government! - Keep the bastards on their toes and then they might, just might do the job properly. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #5 October 4, 2008 Quote Hypothesis: those who trusted the U.S. Government (USG) on the WMD threat posed by Iraq prior to OIF -- the March 2003 invasion -- seem to not trust the USG on the severity of financial crisis. Anecdotally observe that there seem to be a pattern emerging, would like to test/explore the question … and more interestingly the underlying ‘why’? I can speculate explanations. It may also be that my anecdotal observations are wrong. (?) Also curious if the converse holds (those who did *not* trust the USG on the WMD threat posed by Iraq prior to OIF, do they trust the USG on the severity of financial crisis?) That pattern doesn’t seem as apparent to me … but it may be there. So where do you fall and why? VR/MargI didn't trust the US govt. then and I don't now. I don't trust them period. Sad when you can't trust your own govt. Hell. I don't trust my own union leaders. They cost our pension fund 1.6 billion a few yrs. back. Fuck. I don't trust anybody anymore but myself. 99.99 % of humans are fucked. I do trust my dog tho.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #6 October 4, 2008 Bush's need to engage in war over Sadaam's weapons of mass destruction was a hoax from the beginning. He also used 9/11 as an excuse to attack and conquer Iraq, telling the American people that the war on Iraq was about a war on terrorism. Anyone with any common sense could see that there was no relationship between Osama Bin Laden and Sadaam. Although I do agree Sadaam was a dangerous dictator who needed to be overthrown, that should have been Bush's reason and the truth which is that the middle east is home to some obscene amount of oil, I am just guessing here but I think it is somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% or higher. Maybe it is just a coincidence that most of the oil resides there and Bush's family is heavily connected with the oil industry Do I trust a word that comes out of his mouth? No. And to have the gall to transport and protect the Bin Laden family ... at the same time he is gearing up to declare a war on Iraq. Confucius say, Some Ting Fishy... As for the severity of the financial crisis? Well, let's see, we spent trillions on war in the middle east, have had billions spent in many natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina and others, many states have been in a state of emergency needing federal funds, then you have the beginning of the housing meltdown ... Bush does not want to accept or look like the fact that he is probably the worst President America has ever had. I would try and cover up for it too if I looked that bad. You have got to expect that. Yet the Republicans couldn't wait to uleash Clinton's sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #7 October 6, 2008 I didn't believe the gov't w/r/t WMD because the gov't seemed to be the only source of the information, and it just seemed they were looking for a reason to pick a fight in Iraq - especially given that there was a legitimate reason to be in Afghanistan. With the financial crisis, sources outside of the govt were the indicators (banks failing, loans being harder to get, the job market sucking), so when they *finally* got around to saying there was a problem it was already evident. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 October 6, 2008 No more than I'd trust the government to run my health care, or be responsible for my retirement. Or to spend my money in an efficient manner. Why do you ask? Edit: your article only shows the partisanship by 99% of the people that took the poll - just like here on dizzy.com - it doesn't matter what the issue is, or what a sensible person would think, just if the issue is a D or an R issue. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #9 October 7, 2008 Quote No more than I'd trust the government to run my health care, or be responsible for my retirement. Or to spend my money in an efficient manner. Why do you ask? Curiousity mostly. As I wrote, I thought I noticed a patterm (humans are very good at detecting patterns, even some that aren't meaningful, e.g., religious figures on grilled cheese sandwiches), posed a hypothesis, and sought to collect some feedback on that hypothesis. That's all. Quote Edit: your article only shows the partisanship by 99% of the people that took the poll - just like here on dizzy.com - it doesn't matter what the issue is, or what a sensible person would think, just if the issue is a D or an R issue. Haven't written an article yet. Do concur that the error bars for polls here are likely to be quite large and the sample size small. Given the results, I would revise the hypothesis somewhat. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #10 October 7, 2008 Thanks for posting your conclusions/analysis and the process to get there. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites