Palin did a good job

[likearock 2]

She really went toe to toe with Biden - didn't just tread water. Yeah sure, she had some weak moments when she reverted back to the Stepford candidate but she had some great moments too. My favorite was when she gave the Reaganesque, "There you go again, Joe..." How could you not love that? Even if it was rehearsed, the timing was perfect.

That said, they're still going to lose. Especially, if the House Republicans continue playing chicken the economy. The longer the bailout dominates the news, the worse it is for McCain.

[lawrocket 3]

Hey. Anyone who hated Palin before the debate foiund more to hate about her and nothing endearing.

Anyone who hated Biden before the debate found more to hate about him and nothing endearing.

I think those who didn't hate found reasons to like Palin and reasons to like Obama. I like the both more now that before.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[SarahC07 0]

I think this part of our political system is crap.

I'd like to see substance to an argument. How could anyone be convinced that either one is telling the truth? How awesome would that be... requiring evidence?

"As you can see in Exhibit B, the senator is full of shit... please start the clip."

What a melt down...
I'd just like them to at least answer the question and NOT be concerned with promoting what they plan to do and NOT attacking each other.

[billvon 3,108]

>Palin did a good job

Agreed. She didn't melt down, and she did not go into the weeds on any of the questions. She managed to get McCain's talking points out there, which was (I think) their primary goal for this debate.

[headoverheels 334]

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...I'd just like them to at least answer the question and NOT be concerned with promoting what they plan to do ...

This reminds me of an engineer I interviewed many years ago. I always ask some stuff that any good EE should know, even straight out of school. His response was "that's a good thing to asked new grads, but let me tell you about the work I've been doing." Slightly of interest, but he didn't get the job, since I was pretty certain he didn't have the basics under control.

[SpeedRacer 1]

She did manage to speak in complete sentences this time.

But did anyone else find her responses banal & lacking in substance?

On the subject of the financial crisis she would just say something like "we need to remember what our parents taught us when we got our first credit cards: we need to live within our means!"

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[billvon 3,108]

>But did anyone else find her responses banal & lacking in substance?

No. They were intelligent and made a point; they just often weren't an answer to the question that was asked. It's a strategy that can work in a debate of this format - just memorize a lot of talking points and use the one that's closest to the question if no ready answer comes to mind. It also helps get a desired message out.

All in all she did quite well. She held Biden to a narrow victory from the early results, and I think that will be enough to stop her decline in the polls. 60% currently think she does not have the experience to be president, and I would not expect that to get worse after her performance tonight. You might even see a bit of an improvement there.

[PeregrineFalcon 0]

The mistake that Democratic pundits made was saying that Palin would get slaughtered. That gave people a rubbernecking mentality, and people tuned in to watch a train wreck. It didn't happen. She did better than expected. She lost that debate, but not as soundly as people expected.

She did make one MAJOR gaff that might get people talking. I didn't watch the analysis of it, but maybe someone talked about it. On the subject of gay rights, she said that no one in the McCain/Palin administration would prevent someone from visiting a partner in a hospital, which was not bad but then she said something like, "or not honor contracts." This made Biden do a double take. I rewound the DVR just to see his head movement when she said that. That gave him an opening and he took it, saying that it was good that she supports gay civil unions. That's not exactly what she said, but by saying that thing about contracts, Biden was SMART to make it look like she meant civil unions. When the rebuttle came back to her, she just didn't want to talk about it. She knew the base conservatives didn't want to hear something like that.

[airdvr 210]

That wasn't a debate. I didn't get to see all of it but what I saw was 2 people parroting the campaign. I think it had to do with the format. Gwen was scared shitless to have any appearance of bias.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[ErricoMalatesta 0]

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I'd like to see substance to an argument.

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That wasn't a debate.

I think you two are getting it

[Andy9o8 2]

2 little goofs she made that had us laughing:
- she seemed to refer to the the govt of Afghanistan, our allies, as "the Taliban-ee" (made Biden's eyebrow raise a bit, like Spock)
- she once referred to Biden as "Senator Obiden." That was pretty funny.

Anyhow, I feel much better about her now - let's give her the nuclear codes!! Vladimir Putin, you've got a pit bull on your hands! And a maverick at that! Golly gosh!

Seriously, the hardest part of watching the debate was my wife - the one with 23 years of formal education - who kept yelling back and making "baaaarf" sounds at the TV every time Palin did one of her soccer mom-isms. I finally had to turn on the closed captioning.

Should be interesting to read what (conservative) George Will says about her post-debate. He's almost as smart as he thinks he is, styles himself an egghead, doesn't suffer fools gladly, and excoriated her a few days ago for being totally lacking in enough substance for the job - especially the job-in-waiting.

[likearock 2]

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She did make one MAJOR gaff that might get people talking. I didn't watch the analysis of it, but maybe someone talked about it. On the subject of gay rights, she said that no one in the McCain/Palin administration would prevent someone from visiting a partner in a hospital, which was not bad but then she said something like, "or not honor contracts." This made Biden do a double take. I rewound the DVR just to see his head movement when she said that. That gave him an opening and he took it, saying that it was good that she supports gay civil unions. That's not exactly what she said, but by saying that thing about contracts, Biden was SMART to make it look like she meant civil unions. When the rebuttle came back to her, she just didn't want to talk about it. She knew the base conservatives didn't want to hear something like that.

That "gaffe" will only serve to help her with independents. IMO, it was one of the high points of her night. It put some real meat on her claim of being a "maverick". If the Rs are smart, they won't rush to retract that statement. What for? The base isn't going anywhere.

The one true gaffe I would point to was when she agreed with Cheney's position that the VP incorporates both the executive and legislative branch. After all that's gone on in the past administration, that statement was genuinely chilling. If she doesn't retract it, the Dems will make her pay.

[rushmc 23]

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She did manage to speak in complete sentences this time.

But did anyone else find her responses banal & lacking in substance?

On the subject of the financial crisis she would just say something like "we need to remember what our parents taught us when we got our first credit cards: we need to live within our means!"

I dont know if I would go that far. I do think that Biden had more points and to his credit, stayed very level headed. He came across good to me.

I guess I would say the same for Palin (except she had fewer direct points)

Did you or anybody watch ABC for the truth squad after the debate?

I always find that interesting and I learn more about record there too.

For the most part, both were as acurate or inacurate as the other

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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The one true gaffe I would point to was when she agreed with Cheney's position that the VP incorporates both the executive and legislative branch. After all that's gone on in the past administration, that statement was genuinely chilling. If she doesn't retract it, the Dems will make her pay.

Wow - I never realized that it was only in the last 8 years that the VP acts as the agent of the President - thanks for clearing that up for us.

Mike
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[normiss 892]

What I got out of that part from both sides was - neither objects to a same sex union.
Just don't call it marriage.

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2 little goofs she made that had us laughing:
- she seemed to refer to the the govt of Afghanistan, our allies, as "the Taliban-ee" (made Biden's eyebrow raise a bit, like Spock)

I believe that was in reference to Iraq's President Jalal Talabani when she was talking about Nouri al-Malaki and Talabani.

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[rushmc 23]

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2 little goofs she made that had us laughing:
- she seemed to refer to the the govt of Afghanistan, our allies, as "the Taliban-ee" (made Biden's eyebrow raise a bit, like Spock)

I believe that was in reference to Iraq's President Jalal Talabani when she was talking about Nouri al-Malaki and Talabani.

Hey thanks for this tid bit. That was a name I had not heard before and the the reference did not make sense to me. Now, thanks to you, it does

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[livendive 8]

also Biden did good too, and actually answered most of the questions, also. She shall also thank her stars there was only one such cram session. Doggoneit.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[billvon 3,108]

>neither objects to a same sex union. Just don't call it marriage.

Which would be fine with me too. Call it a marriag if it makes people feel better about their marriage-with-an-E. The important thing is that people are given the same rights under the law.

[livendive 8]

Has anyone else gotten to the point that the word "maverick" grates on the nerves almost as much as the word "extreme"?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[Andy9o8 2]

So that makes her one of these

http://www.maverickcometclub.org/pics/john_maltinsky_72_maverick.jpg

Big deal.

[FallingOsh 0]

yeah, they need to drop that.

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[normiss 892]

so long as we include "the truth of the matter"
especially given it seems to be neither.

[Amazon 7]

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But did anyone else find her responses banal & lacking in substance?

On the subject of the financial crisis she would just say something like "we need to remember what our parents taught us when we got our first credit cards: we need to live within our means!"

I did not hear her answer... yes answer any of the questions.. and it seemed a good thing she had been coached to turn it back to the talking points.. on that she did ok....but actualy answering anything with substance????


All I have to say is if this is the best that Alaskans found to run their state... I am so happy I never moved up there as I was tempted to do a few times.

The odds are good but the goods are ODD still applys there I guess.

[Andy9o8 2]

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if this is the best that Alaskans found to run their state...

California twice elected actors to the job. Minnesota did so with a pro "wrestler". In a democracy, people get the government they deserve.