Oh how I cringe when I hear Harry

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This guy is a piece of work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTN7esjWFUY&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR144kCjORc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niPmXym7u3g&feature=related

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Just curious, remind me again why there was "the surge." What exactly was its stated purpose has that stated goal actually been accomplished?

I am 99% certain that the goal wasn't to simply quell a level of violence, I'm nearly certain that the stated goal was to accomplish something else as a result. Can you tell me what that was? Can you tell me if THAT goal has been met?

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[brenthutch 444]

Yes 15 out of 18 benchmarks have been hit. Do you think that letting it decend into a full blown civil war with unthinkable genicide and a proxy war between saudia arabia and Iran whould have been better?

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Yes 15 out of 18 benchmarks have been hit. Do you think that letting it decend into a full blown civil war with unthinkable genicide and a proxy war between saudia arabia and Iran whould have been better?

You certainly have a different score card on it than I do.

Care to show me where you got 15 successes out of 18?

Here is what I'm looking at; Iraq's Political Transition Not Meeting Benchmarks - September 25, 2008

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Yes 15 out of 18 benchmarks have been hit. Do you think that letting it decend into a full blown civil war with unthinkable genicide and a proxy war between saudia arabia and Iran whould have been better?

The proof of the success will be what happens afterwards. If the violence picks up right where it left off, that's pretty much a failure.

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Yes 15 out of 18 benchmarks have been hit. Do you think that letting it decend into a full blown civil war with unthinkable genicide and a proxy war between saudia arabia and Iran whould have been better?

The proof of the success will be what happens afterwards. If the violence picks up right where it left off, that's pretty much a failure.

I'd call it a failure right now since, as I've previously stated, what was supposed to happen hasn't. Not even close.

It was supposed to be a temporary surge to allow the Iraqi government to form and stabilize so that we could leave. That simply hasn't happened in any significant way, shape or form.

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91L960O0&show_article=1&lst=1

Here is what I am looking at. An AP report not partisan drivel like the center for amaerica progress. I suppose you use Air America and the Daily Kos as well.

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91L960O0&show_article=1&lst=1

Here is what I am looking at. An AP report not partisan drivel like the center for amaerica progress. I suppose you use Air America and the Daily Kos as well.

I think you need to re-read the article you've linked again then. AP does not, nor will they ever, make a judgement on that type of claim, in this case being made by The White House. In other words, AP is simply quoting The White House's claim that 15 out of 18 are "satisfactory" AP does NOT claim they actually ARE satisfactory.

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Rep. Mike McIntyre, D-N.C., who requested the administration's updated assessment, scoffed at the May report, which he says uses the false standard of determining whether progress on a goal is "satisfactory" versus whether the benchmark has been met. He estimates that only a few of the 18 benchmarks have been fully achieved.

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