Another victory for the right to bear arms

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Too bad it took so many innocent deaths to bring this about, but at least doctors and nurses can now defend themselves.

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Iraq works to reverse doctor brain drain

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq announced Monday it will let doctors carry firearms, one of several measures aimed at trying to keep medical workers from leaving the war-torn country.

An Iraqi doctor hands out medications at a neighborhood clinic in Baghdad.

More than 2,200 doctors and nurses have been killed and more than 250 kidnapped since 2003, when the U.S.-led invasion was launched, the International Committee of the Red Cross said in a March report.

The government also said doctors can't be detained by police without Ministry of Health approval, and security at doctors' offices and hospitals will be bolstered.

The government also is developing advertising campaigns, setting standard rates for checkups at private clinics, working to establish residential compounds and coming up with attractive salaries to entice refugee physicians to return home.

"Of the 34,000 registered doctors in 1990, at least 20,000 have left the country," the Red Cross report said.

"The Iraqi health-care system is now in worse shape than ever," the report said. "Five years after the war began, many Iraqis do not have access to the most basic health care. There is a lack of qualified staff and many hospitals and health-care facilities have not been properly maintained."

A Health Ministry official said 8,000 doctors had left their jobs since 2003, with some fleeing the country but others simply keeping a low profile because they were afraid to go to work.

This year, about 800 doctors have returned to their jobs, the official said. But doctors have told CNN that most of those are not the doctors who have earned superior reputations over the years.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
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That's hilarious. As if the situation in Iraq has anything to do with the Second Amendment.

You do realize that the "constitution" we wanted them to have in their "free" country had significantly fewer freedoms than we enjoy on a daily basis, yet in other ways was for more "liberal" in terms of socialism; universal health care for instance.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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That's hilarious. As if the situation in Iraq has anything to do with the Second Amendment.

You don't suppose it might have just been a snide remark to demonstrate what a wonderful effect we've had on the Iraqi condition?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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That's hilarious. As if the situation in Iraq has anything to do with the Second Amendment.

You don't suppose it might have just been a snide remark to demonstrate what a wonderful effect we've had on the Iraqi condition?

Blues,
Dave

Ah . . . and here I was getting confused.

There is one particular poster in this Forum for which that might not have have been a snide remark, but an actual remark in support of his fanatical devotion to a particular point of view.

Sometimes satire from certain people goes over my head. Especially when I could swear you were one of those people that was, at least at one time, an ardent supporter of the Second.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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That's hilarious. As if the situation in Iraq has anything to do with the Second Amendment.

You don't suppose it might have just been a snide remark to demonstrate what a wonderful effect we've had on the Iraqi condition?

Blues,
Dave

Ah . . . and here I was getting confused.

There is one particular poster in this Forum for which that might not have have been a snide remark, but an actual remark in support of his fanatical devotion to a particular point of view.

Sometimes satire from certain people goes over my head. Especially when I could swear you were one of those people that was, at least at one time, an ardent supporter of the Second.

You are correct that I am an ardent supporter of the Second, but that doesn't mean I'm a proponent of practices that directly result in the deaths of thousands of innocents and thousands of America, and indirectly result in the deaths of countless more innocents who die because we took actions that deprived them of fundamental healthcare.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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Gee, I wonder who Quade was referring to. That poor guy, whoever he is...


Livendive, the article you quoted seems to imply that because the doctors previously had no right to carry guns, they were vulnerable, and because they were vulnerable, they were victimized, and because they were victimized, they were leaving -- and people who needed medical care faced a (Canada-like ) shortage of doctors...

So why is the arming of the doctors a bad thing?

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Imaginations on fire

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So why is the arming of the doctors a bad thing?

Per se? No reason.

In reality? Shows what a complete and utter failure security has become in a region that was supposed to become stable because of "the surge."

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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That's hilarious. As if the situation in Iraq has anything to do with the Second Amendment.

You do realize that the "constitution" we wanted them to have in their "free" country had significantly fewer freedoms than we enjoy on a daily basis, yet in other ways was for more "liberal" in terms of socialism; universal health care for instance.

I don't see where Dave mentioned ANYTHING about the United States in his post ... knee-jerk much?

Mike
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That's hilarious. As if the situation in Iraq has anything to do with the Second Amendment.

You do realize that the "constitution" we wanted them to have in their "free" country had significantly fewer freedoms than we enjoy on a daily basis, yet in other ways was for more "liberal" in terms of socialism; universal health care for instance.

I don't see where Dave mentioned ANYTHING about the United States in his post ... knee-jerk much?

You mean ANYTHING other than in the subject line which has phrasing lifted directly from the Second Amendment? No. Not at all. I guess you're right.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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You mean ANYTHING other than in the subject line which has phrasing lifted directly from the Second Amendment?

You MAY just want to re-read the amendment, little use for it that you have - a 'direct lift' would have been "keep and bear arms".

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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In reality? Shows what a complete and utter failure security has become in a region that was supposed to become stable because of "the surge."

And yet it also shows how people being armed is considered to be one way to protect themselves from harm.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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In reality? Shows what a complete and utter failure security has become in a region that was supposed to become stable because of "the surge."

And yet it also shows how people being armed is considered to be one way to protect themselves from harm.

Yes. Perfectly valid in an area of civil war caused by another country's invasion.

While I will concede that this is a point in favor of the NRA's position of the universal arming of the US, it's also the least likely scenario possible in all of their arguments in the US. Well, hold on a second, lemme make that SECOND least likely; I wanna put up revolution against the state as being THE most unlikely.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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While I will concede that this is a point in favor of the NRA's position of the universal arming of the US, it's also the least likely scenario possible in all of their arguments in the US. Well, hold on a second, lemme make that SECOND least likely; I wanna put up revolution against the state as being THE most unlikely

Trying to stop violent crime is unlikely?

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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In reality? Shows what a complete and utter failure security has become in a region that was supposed to become stable because of "the surge."

And yet it also shows how people being armed is considered to be one way to protect themselves from harm.

And oddly enough, I agree with both of those statements.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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You do realize that the "constitution" we wanted them to have in their "free" country had significantly fewer freedoms than we enjoy on a daily basis, yet in other ways was for more "liberal" in terms of socialism; universal health care for instance.

yes, and that's how it works from the report:

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"Five years after the war began, many Iraqis do not have access to the most basic health care. There is a lack of qualified staff and many hospitals and health-care facilities have not been properly maintained."

Surprisingly it is very similar to every country I lived in, even though there was no recent war.

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