McCain builds winning coalition for bailout vote!

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Bill didn't blame McCaine for it failing. He blamed him for taking credit for it passing before it did and before it failed. Just like the ad placed that declared McCaine won the debate before it even happened! (And before he didn't.)

If McCaine keeps claiming victory before the event maybe eventually he'll get one right. He's just hoping it's the 11/4 election.

McCain did have it passed before polozi opened her stupid piehole because she wanted to tell america the dem's fix the problem that the gop caused, when in fact they are fixing a dem caused problem. she isn't very bright, but then again she is from Sanfran and we all know what the people are like there. (were's the icon for getting butfucked?)

Hmm, she may be smarter (or more evil) than we think. It is being reported now that this failed because she and the Dems wanted it to.

There were a couple of her party going around watching the numbers to make sure that if it passed more R 's would be on the yes side than Dems. When the R's caught wind of it some changed their votes.

All to keep the bad economy hoax alive until after Nov.

Therory as to why, but the voting scheem is now being reported

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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we wouldn't need this bailout if raines,Dodd, clinton, carter and the rest of the cronnies didn't fuck with the system. and that is fact that has been put on these threads with news articles from 1978,1999, and others.

Does it REALLY matter who's to blame for how we got here? What matters is how we get ourselves out of this mess.

Exactly but, how do we stop it from happening again if the root cause is not killed?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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GOP causcus before McCain 4 ayes, after McCain 65 ayes.

If Obama could have delivered 12 out of the 95 nays it would have passed. If Pelosi could have delivered 12 of her 95 nays it would have passed. If bloviant Barney could have delivered 12 Democrat nays that were cast by his own committee (how sad was that!)

That is one of the more complicated justifications I've heard lately.

Simplified - Dems voted 60% to pass the bill, Republicans only voted 1/3 to pass. Then when it failed, Republicans still blamed the Democrats for it failing! What kind of math are they using, anyway?

I wouldn't try applying logic to these discussions, as it appears at least a couple of the participants are immune.

Blues,
Dave

These voting numbers were controled, for a reason.

The Dems did not need any R's to vote with them to pass it. So why didnt they?

Ms Nancy was controlling the numbers.

Wont see it on any of the main pro Obama networks however

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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i know polozi wanted x amount of rep and x amount dem votes, that alone sounds fishy to me. sounded like a settup but i think the rep caught on and messed up her plans to give obama a lift.

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>we wouldn't need this bailout if raines . . .

Yep. And while the partisan hacks spend all their time and energy blaming each other, a few people are actually trying to solve the problem. They're not perfect by a long shot, but I am glad there are at least a few people in the country (and in the government) who do not spend all their energies trying to use national crises to win them or their parties a few extra votes. Bernanke, for example, is trying. I disagree with his approach, but I am glad he's making the effort, and I look forward to his next attempt.

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>we wouldn't need this bailout if raines . . .

Yep. And while the partisan hacks spend all their time and energy blaming each other, a few people are actually trying to solve the problem. They're not perfect by a long shot, but I am glad there are at least a few people in the country (and in the government) who do not spend all their energies trying to use national crises to win them or their parties a few extra votes. Bernanke, for example, is trying. I disagree with his approach, but I am glad he's making the effort, and I look forward to his next attempt.

there is not much we can do with what is happening, except learn how it happened to begin with and maybe learn how to prevent it from happening again. i think it is very important to learn what actions caused the problem then not repeat it. just blaming it on the guy in the big chair is wrong if thats not the one to blame.

alot of people were involved in creating the mess and we need to be able to make an educated decision in a couple weaks on the first step in fixing the problem, covering up or ignoring the ones that were instramental in this debacle could lead people to vote for the villan instead of the good choice.

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it doesn't change the fact that subprime loans were the initial factor in the problem and could have been stopped several times before it busted the economy.

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So funny to watch you libs blame Republicans when the Dems could have passed the bill on their own. That alone is proof that it is a mental disorder. Who are you guys trying to kid here? Really?

Just admit Pelosi is insane and a crappy speaker and leave it at that.

As I said in another thread, it should NOT pass anyway.

Oh, hello again!

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it doesn't change the fact that subprime loans were the initial factor in the problem and could have been stopped several times before it busted the economy.

But the CRA loans were not the ones causing the problem. Stop confusing CRA loans with ALL subprime loans.

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So funny to watch you libs blame Republicans when the Dems could have passed the bill on their own. That alone is proof that it is a mental disorder. Who are you guys trying to kid here? Really?

Just admit Pelosi is insane and a crappy speaker and leave it at that.

As I said in another thread, it should NOT pass anyway.

hey don't look at me , i think polozi fucked up trying to gain a political edge. i think the dem's don't have the guts to step up because of the possible fallout if things go bad, especially if passing the bill sides them with Bush and seperates Bush from the rep party.

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So funny to watch you libs blame Republicans when the Dems could have passed the bill on their own. That alone is proof that it is a mental disorder. Who are you guys trying to kid here? Really?

Just admit Pelosi is insane and a crappy speaker and leave it at that.

As I said in another thread, it should NOT pass anyway.

Just admit that Republicans are hypocrites for complaining that the bill did not pass, when 2/3 of them voted against it.

This has to be the most RIDICULOUS attempt by GOP supporters to pass the buck that I've ever seen.

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I'll have to take the same tactic explaining things to you that I did with a girlfriend once....

Just because I say something about one side, does NOT mean I think the other side is perfect. Get it?

1/3 of the republicans that voted FOR the bill, fucked up. It SHOULD NOT be passed. I guess you're hearing the same 1/3 complaining?

It is still completely idiotic for the dems to blame the reps when they could have passed this on their own. But you can keep overlooking that. I understand.

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I'll have to take the same tactic explaining things to you that I did with a girlfriend once....

Just because I say something about one side, does NOT mean I think the other side is perfect. Get it?

1/3 of the republicans that voted FOR the bill, fucked up. It SHOULD NOT be passed. I guess you're hearing the same 1/3 complaining?

It is still completely idiotic for the dems to blame the reps when they could have passed this on their own. But you can keep overlooking that. I understand.

if they look at the whole picture it doesn't make their side look good.

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>we wouldn't need this bailout if raines . . .

Yep. And while the partisan hacks spend all their time and energy blaming each other, a few people are actually trying to solve the problem. WHO? They're not perfect by a long shot, but I am glad there are at least a few people in the country (and in the government) who do not spend all their energies trying to use national crises to win them or their parties a few extra votes. Bernanke, for example, is trying. He and Paulson should be fired I disagree with his approach, but I am glad he's making the effort, and I look forward to his next attempt. at cover up, re-direction and increasing the size and scope of government control. If that is what you want, well, I can see why you like this aproach

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and his top aides took credit for building a winning bailout coalition – hours before the vote failed and stocks tanked.

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“I've never been afraid of stepping in to solve problems for the American people, and I'm not going to stop now,” McCain told a rally in Columbus, Ohio. “Sen. Obama took a very different approach to the crisis our country faced. At first he didn't want to get involved. Then he was monitoring the situation.”

Where did it come from? From the quoted piece of what he said I don't see anything like "McCain took credit for building a winning bailout coalition".

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It is being reported now that this failed because she and the Dems wanted it to.

There were a couple of her party going around watching the numbers to make sure that if it passed more R 's would be on the yes side than Dems. When the R's caught wind of it some changed their votes.

All to keep the bad economy hoax alive until after Nov.

Therory as to why, but the voting scheem is now being reported

Here, this may help.

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It is being reported now that this failed because she and the Dems wanted it to.

There were a couple of her party going around watching the numbers to make sure that if it passed more R 's would be on the yes side than Dems. When the R's caught wind of it some changed their votes.

All to keep the bad economy hoax alive until after Nov.

Therory as to why, but the voting scheem is now being reported

Here, this may help.

Hows it work?

I always ask some one with experience

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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It is being reported now that this failed because she and the Dems wanted it to.

There were a couple of her party going around watching the numbers to make sure that if it passed more R 's would be on the yes side than Dems. When the R's caught wind of it some changed their votes.

All to keep the bad economy hoax alive until after Nov.

Therory as to why, but the voting scheem is now being reported

Here, this may help.

Hows it work?

I always ask some one with experience

Well, ask someone with experience then. There are a few conspiracy theorists who post here and you seem to be joining their ranks with your "bad economy hoax".

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It is being reported now that this failed because she and the Dems wanted it to.

There were a couple of her party going around watching the numbers to make sure that if it passed more R 's would be on the yes side than Dems. When the R's caught wind of it some changed their votes.

All to keep the bad economy hoax alive until after Nov.

Therory as to why, but the voting scheem is now being reported

Here, this may help.

Hows it work?

I always ask some one with experience

Well, ask someone with experience then. There are a few conspiracy theorists who post here and you seem to be joining their ranks.

Exactly why I am asking you!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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It is being reported now that this failed because she and the Dems wanted it to.

There were a couple of her party going around watching the numbers to make sure that if it passed more R 's would be on the yes side than Dems. When the R's caught wind of it some changed their votes.

All to keep the bad economy hoax alive until after Nov.

Therory as to why, but the voting scheem is now being reported

Here, this may help.

Hows it work?

I always ask some one with experience

Well, ask someone with experience then. There are a few conspiracy theorists who post here and you seem to be joining their ranks.

Exactly why I am asking you!

YOU are the person claiming conspiracy on the "bad economy hoax". Try it, and report back if it works.

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It is being reported now that this failed because she and the Dems wanted it to.

There were a couple of her party going around watching the numbers to make sure that if it passed more R 's would be on the yes side than Dems. When the R's caught wind of it some changed their votes.

All to keep the bad economy hoax alive until after Nov.

Therory as to why, but the voting scheem is now being reported

Here, this may help.

Hows it work?

I always ask some one with experience

Well, ask someone with experience then. There are a few conspiracy theorists who post here and you seem to be joining their ranks.

Exactly why I am asking you!

YOU are the person claiming conspiracy on the "bad economy hoax". Try it, and report back if it works.

A little touchy today?



And I have asked the formost expert on this hat I know of on this site! YOU! Or have you found a better model?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,147]

Why don't you explain more about your theory that the poor shape of the economy is "just a hoax"?

I'm sure the people whose house values have plummetted, whose 401k have tanked and who've been laid off will be anxious to hear your views.

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Why don't you explain more about your theory that the poor shape of the economy is "just a hoax"?

I'm sure the people whose house values have plummetted, whose 401k have tanked and who've been laid off will be anxious to hear your views.

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I have said that the shape of the economy is a hoax. Hmm

You really need to get that hat back on or maybe re-read (In context of course) what ever it is you think I posted.

The hat may be all thats needed though

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Just because I say something about one side, does NOT mean I think the other side is perfect. Get it?

1/3 of the republicans that voted FOR the bill, fucked up. It SHOULD NOT be passed. I guess you're hearing the same 1/3 complaining?

It is still completely idiotic for the dems to blame the reps when they could have passed this on their own. But you can keep overlooking that. I understand.

And the justifications get even more complicated. I do not think the 700B bailout should happen, either. I hope it fails again.

But for Republicans to vote against it, and then say it was the Democrats fault isn't even a spin - it's an outright lie. If you're against something on principle, then be a man (or woman), stand up and say so. Don't blame the other side for your actions.

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