Would you eat ice cream made from human milk?

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(I'm not trying to argue for PETA, since I don't know much about them. But since their actions were compared to killing doctors, I'm just curious what specifically they have done along those lines. And I don't really have time to research the subject right now.)

Actually, no such comparison was made. I said I found their actions equally as unacceptable, actions driven by their beliefs, which another poster wrote was a good thing, even if it was extreme or uncomfortable. PETA steps over the line of advocating a different stance - they attack those who don't agree with them.

OTOH, another poster did list a lot of specific actions ranging up to murder attempts.

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Actually, no such comparison was made. I said I found their actions equally as unacceptable . . .

Saying that their actions are "equally as unacceptable" as "killing doctors" is comparing their actions to killing doctors.

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The founder of PETA never has denied ties to any of those organizations nor has she denied donating money to them. She has publicly supported them. Like I said, activistcash was an easy one-stop-shopping place to pull the quotes from. The info is contained in many, many other places.

No media outlet is fair or balanced. They all have bottom lines to adhere to.

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The founder of PETA never has denied ties to any of those organizations nor has she denied donating money to them. She has publicly supported them. Like I said, activistcash was an easy one-stop-shopping place to pull the quotes from. The info is contained in many, many other places.

No media outlet is fair or balanced. They all have bottom lines to adhere to.

Barack Obama has ties to Dick Cheney.

Of course activistcash is one stop shopping. It was specifically designed for just that purpose by the restaurant (KFC, McDonald's) industries. They have a financial stake in discrediting claims made by PETA.

Ever watched undercover slaughterhouse footage? Undercover chickenhouse or hoghouse footage? Pretty hard to refute. Tying all the groups together and labeling them 'terrorists' is a political start.

Anyway, Ingrid Newkirk and PETA have never endorsed violence.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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The worst thing about Peta is they are fucking hipocryts. One of the VP'S for Peta is a diabetic on pork insulin. This is the same group that would deny your child that same insulin.
When ask about this, Peta's response was since her life was spent saving animals it was worth it.
Peta's position on pet ownership might surprise some people, they are against it. From hamsters to service animals. They would put an end to "animal slavery"

Fuck Peta

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>One of the VP'S for Peta is a diabetic on pork insulin.

I very much doubt that. Most insulin comes from bacteria nowadays, rather than pork or cattle.

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To answer the question asked in the thread title, YES, I would.

Women smell (in general) much better than cattle, and I can't see why anyone thinks human milk is creepy while milk from stinky cows (or worse, goats)is not.

(Boobies look nicer than udders too).

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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PETA Senior Vice President MaryBeth Sweetland on her use of insulin, which was tested on animals:

"I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic. Twice a day I take synthetically manufactured insulin that still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I'm not going to take the chance of killing myself by not taking insulin. I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals."
--Glamour, January 1990

Sounds like a hypocrite to me. She benefited from animal research and insulin made from animal products yet would deny that same research and products to your children.
This one is a bit personal for me, I work with dying children and to think people like this would deny research to develope medicine that could save their lives or lesson their suffering is repulsive.

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Animal Rights Uncompromised:
PETA on 'Pets'

We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as "surplus." This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

From Peta's website
In Peta's perfect world there would be no pets.

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Supporting PETA is like supporting a major political party. Even if it has an actual good idea, it's lost in the rest of the extreme bullshit.

On another note:

How's vet school?

It's like supporting any political party; some of their ideas are great, but they go extreme and lose that what is great. I think the idea behind PETA with this mess is that they want to point out that dairy cows are treated inhumanely.

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PETA Senior Vice President MaryBeth Sweetland on her use of insulin, which was tested on animals:

"I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic. Twice a day I take synthetically manufactured insulin that still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I'm not going to take the chance of killing myself by not taking insulin. I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals."
--Glamour, January 1990

Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

That was 18 years ago, Bill wrote, "nowadays."


As well, I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan, but if it comes to me or them it's me, fortunately we are far from there. So to say that a person that advocates PETA but uses animal products in emergency cases is a hypocrite is like saying a person who claims to love mankind but uses products brought to us via trucks, trucks kill people on teh roads everyday; hence that person is a hypocrite too. Survival is survival, eating theing because they taste good but cause pain is another thing.

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Animal Rights Uncompromised:
PETA on 'Pets'

We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as "surplus." This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.

From Peta's website
In Peta's perfect world there would be no pets.

Well, they're right. Not to mention the petfood industry that uses factory farmed animals.

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>Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

Like I said, NOWADAYS most insulin comes from bacteria. From a 2007 article:


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PETA’s underlying Disneyfied vision of nature – where everything coexists peacefully without suffering, pain, or death – is merely the laughable icing on the deeper cake of hypocrisy and extremism. The group funds the ALF – an organization that firebombs laboratories conducting experiments with animals – and decries any and all animal testing, while simultaneously benefiting from its results. Case in point: PETA’s Senior Vice President, MaryBeth Sweetland, is a type A diabetic kept alive with synthetic insulin.
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If she is now asking for animal derived insulin rather than synthetic (and getting it) then I would agree that he is a hypocrite.

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November 10, 2007
PETA Hypocrisy

You may have read recently how the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) recently caused $20-30,000 damage to the house of a scientist, because the scientist’s work includes animal testing. Actually, the scientist was lucky: the ALF really wanted to burn the house down but settled instead for merely flooding the place. Nice.

This is the same ALF that PETA co-founder and President Ingrid Newkirk wrote about approvingly in her book Free the Animals! The Untold Story of the U.S. Animal Liberation Front and Its Founder, ‘Valerie’. According to Amazon.com, Newkirk "is one of the few people with firsthand knowledge of the ALF and is personally acquainted with the organization's founder." Furthermore, Newkirk:

…gives interviews to ALF’s publications, supports the legal defense efforts of ALF criminals (with PETA’s money), has been subpoenaed in regard to her ALF connections, and has even been accused in court documents of participation in the ALF arson of a Michigan State University research lab.

I think it’s safe to say that Newkirk would have approved of this recent terrorist attack on a scientist’s home. Newkirk is so strongly opposed to animal research that she has said:

even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, "we'd be against it"

So she’s uncompromisingly opposed to animal testing. Well, as it turns out, not so much. Not when she needs modern medicine, at any rate. You see, recently she broke her wrist:

Just as I was setting out to launch my new book, Let’s Have a Dog Party!, I met a wet floor and went splat, neatly snapping the bones in my wrist. Ooh, the pain! Thank goodness for IV drips.

Thank goodness for IV drips. IV drips. That would be those same intravenous anaesthetics that were tested on rats, rabbits, dogs, cats and monkeys. Apparently she’s not opposed to that animal testing. So unopposed that she thanks "goodness" for it.

Now, you may say, Newkirk didn’t have a choice in this matter, or that Newkirk believes animal testing was unnecessary to develop these medications and procedures. Well, if you think that, I’ll just refer you to PETA’s Animal Testing page, that unambiguously states:

Send back items that you have from companies that test on animals...

From the comments to the PETA blog, I think we can assume that Newkirk is now aware that her painkillers were, in fact, tested on animals. So can we assume that she will now refuse (“send back”) any more painkillers? Or will she, like PETA Vice President and insulin (tested on dogs, rabbits and mice) dependent diabetic Mary Beth Sweetland, continue to enjoy the benefits of animal testing while supporting terrorist acts on the scientists who provide them?

I think we should be told.

Another fucking hypocrite.

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Technorati Tags: ALF, Animal Testing, Ingrid Newkirk, Mary Beth Sweetland, PETA

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You may have read recently how the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) recently caused $20-30,000 damage to the house of a scientist, because the scientist’s work includes animal testing. Actually, the scientist was lucky: the ALF really wanted to burn the house down but settled instead for merely flooding the place. Nice.


I don't contribute to any of these networks, don't receive newletters, nothing, but I agree with what they do.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Thank goodness for IV drips. IV drips. That would be those same intravenous anaesthetics that were tested on rats, rabbits, dogs, cats and monkeys. Apparently she’s not opposed to that animal testing. So unopposed that she thanks "goodness" for it.


The testing has been done for IV drip, can't undo that, just future testing. Get her point? So to avoid any technology gained from animal testing in teh past would be like black Americans refusing to use use cotton.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>Another fucking hypocrite.


I'm guessing you are descent guy, good to humans and all, but what gets me is that you use products brought to us by tractor trailer when they sometimes kill people in auto accidents.

We're all hypocrites, the point here is to get away from this mass testing of animals. If they aired the goings on inside slaughter houses and animal labs in a real time sense, it would turn the world on its ear, which is why they keep it secret, just like a lot of realities in the US.

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The difference is I do not espouse the elimination of trucking.
I just say if you talk the talk you better be ready to take one for the team and walk the walk.

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Hmmmm

Soylent Vanilla

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The difference is I do not espouse the elimination of trucking.
I just say if you talk the talk you better be ready to take one for the team and walk the walk.

So not being aware of the cruelty to humans caused by trucking is an excuse to not feel for the victims and want change? Well, I'm here to tell ya that trucks kill many people everyday and cars, isn't it like 38k/yr.... so to drive is to advocate the killing of innocent humans.

We must move to live, we must eat to live, but we don't need to eat animals to live. In fact, we live better when we don't.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I just say if you talk the talk you better be ready to take one for the team and walk the walk.


With that reasoning if we don't hate everything about child rapists and killers, then we don't have to care about the victims; I believe we all in here do. What I'm saying is that puttng blinders on isn't absolution to the need to feel. Think of the lab animals shaking and trying to survive. Think of them fearing when the next human come sin to inject something into them, drop something into their eyes.....then comes darkness and the pain.

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PETA’s underlying Disneyfied vision of nature – where everything coexists peacefully without suffering, pain, or death – is merely the laughable icing on the deeper cake of hypocrisy and extremism.

The Disneyfied vision of farms with actual farmers and grass and red barns with hay is much bigger pile of cowshit than any vision of a world without inhumane animal exploitation. It's something to strive for.

The $$$$$$$$$ behind agribusiness is astounding. I applaud the work of those willing to do what's needed to bring the issue out in the open. For no personal gain. (shock) I respect that.

Make all the "ties" and "connections" you want between PETA and other groups. The reality is, everything in this world is somehow connected - and once people realize that, they might begin to really see how animal exploitation is so insidious and demoralizing and shameful.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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No to human ice cream? How about human cheese.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll be happy to do it for you.
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Better version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE

If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll be happy to do it for you.
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Be like the cupcake and suck it up.

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Right there at the bottom of the little editing window is a radio button labled url

If you click it once...then cut and paste in the URL link then click it again( it has a little / thingie the second time) you have this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE

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I knew that. I forgot that. Thanks for fixing that.

At least I quit trying to put my own html code in these messages... I have no middle ground, I tell ya! NO middle ground!

If you can't laugh at yourself, I'll be happy to do it for you.
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Be like the cupcake and suck it up.

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I am just lazy...I like clickies..