No ID, No Vote

[airdvr 210]

Why is this a problem?

After Roadblocks, Florida Officials Push to Enforce Voter ID Law
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/13/after-roadblocks-florida-officials-push-to-enforce-voter-id-law/

"... this is just another in this long history of trying to make it difficult to vote in the United States,” said Brad Brown, of the NAACP.

I'd like my SSI check please. Here's my state ID.

I'd like to register to vote. I ain't got no mofo ID!

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Amazon 7]

I personally think its time for a NATIONAL ID card.... EVERYONE has a SSI Card....

THEN... we need the Iraq way of voting... one voter.. one vote... and a purple finger..lets have REAL integrity in our elections. Scrap the electronic voting machines that have been used to disenfranchise.. THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of votes.

[MikeForsythe 0]

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Why is this a problem?

Because it is so strict that if anything does not match between your ID (ie drivers license) and your voter registration you can't vote. So say that your DL says that you live on First Dr. and your voter registration says that you live on First Drive, by the law you would not be able to vote and would be given a provisional ballot and would have to go before a judge after the election and have the judge verify that it is you to get your provisional vote to count.

The concern is that low income families and working people would not be able to afford or take the time off to go to court.

Florida is so screwed up with voting that I guess if they can keep you from voting they can't screw up counting the votes.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[quade 4]

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I personally think its time for a NATIONAL ID card....

Uh, really?

Generally speaking the idea OUGHT to be fought on several principles. In fact, I can't think of a lot of organizations that aren't against.

The strange bedfellows include; libertarian groups, in particular the Cato Institute; immigrant advocacy groups; human and civil rights organizations, including ACLU; privacy advocacy groups; good government and government accountability groups; labor groups such as AFL-CIO; People for the American Way; consumer and patient protection groups; some gun rights groups; many state lawmakers, state legislatures and governors; and others. While most liberal groups and most Democratic politicians oppose the Real ID Act to varying degrees, conservatives are split on the issue. Real ID is opposed by such conservative-leaning groups as Gun Owners of America, by the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal as well as by many current and former Republican members of Congress.

On the side of people that -do- like the idea are; The Bush Administration, Heritage Foundation and by many anti-illegal immigration advocates.

I'll refer you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act#Controversy_and_opposition for a number of issues.

All of that said, it was essentially passed by a Republican controlled Congress with signature by GWB. Many states have filed for extensions, but it essentially goes into effect nationwide December 31, 2009. Yes, GWB will be screwing us even after he's out of office.

This is supposed to the the United States and one of the things we're supposed to have is freedom of transportation. Requiring documentation is so . . . Soviet.

Any concept of a National ID and the requirement for it to be carried on your person for whatever reason is a BAD idea.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[1969912 0]

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Any concept of a National ID and the requirement for it to be carried on your person for whatever reason is a BAD idea.

With you on that one!

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[futuredivot 0]

You are wrong. Ve muss see your papers.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[Amazon 7]

I support the national ID for several reasons.. and I have reservations.. BUT.... people should have to PROVE who the hell they are. I think it would alleviate all kinds of FRAUD( identity theft etc).... illegal immigration...not an American.. you dont have a right to work in America. Legal immigrants.. guest workers.. ALSO get an ID that allows them to work. The government can and does track a HELL of a lot of PII.. transactions..you name it. I dont like it.. but it is what it is.. the half assed crap we have now does not work.. and far too many people are taking advantage of those of us who DO abide by the law.

[MikeForsythe 0]

I agree and I figure I already have several federal ID's (FAA, FCC, SS) so I don't see it as a bad thing.

Besides, I already go out in the morning look up and smile for the morning satellite pass before I go to work.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[Amazon 7]

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I agree and I figure I already have several federal ID's (FAA, FCC, SS) so I don't see it as a bad thing.

Far to many of the people who are afraid of the government ALREADY have various forms of ID.. I think they seem to forget the fact they pay taxes.. expect to get social security someday... and on and on...

Its ok to be paranoid.. but shit..... if anyone is a part of the economy they already have you pegged

[TomAiello 26]

Come to the land of the free...

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40-322. DIRECTIVE ON IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FEDERAL REAL ID ACT OF 2005.

(1) The legislature finds that the enactment into law by the U.S. congress of the REAL ID act of 2005, as part of public law 109-13, is inimical to the security and well-being of the people of Idaho, will cause unneeded expense and inconvenience to those people and was adopted by the U.S. congress in violation of the principles of federalism contained in the 10th amendment to the constitution of the United States.

(2) The legislature hereby declares that the state of Idaho shall not participate in the implementation of the REAL ID act of 2005. The Idaho transportation board and the Idaho transportation department, including the motor vehicles division of the Idaho transportation department are directed not to implement the provisions of the REAL ID act of 2005, and to report to the governor and to the constitutional defense council created in chapter 63, title 67, Idaho Code, any attempt by agencies or agents of the U.S. department of homeland security to secure implementation of the REAL ID act of 2005, through the operations of that department.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[SpeedRacer 1]

they should implant microchips in everybody. say, in their hand or forehead. With a barcode. And no one would be able to buy or sell without it (that will eliminate ID theft). And every barcode should begin with the number 666.

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[masterrig 1]

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Why is this a problem?

Because it is so strict that if anything does not match between your ID (ie drivers license) and your voter registration you can't vote. So say that your DL says that you live on First Dr. and your voter registration says that you live on First Drive, by the law you would not be able to vote and would be given a provisional ballot and would have to go before a judge after the election and have the judge verify that it is you to get your provisional vote to count.

The concern is that low income families and working people would not be able to afford or take the time off to go to court.

Florida is so screwed up with voting that I guess if they can keep you from voting they can't screw up counting the votes.

It's those DAMNED CHADS!!!


Chuck

[Amazon 7]

The whole 666 thing is interesting in my opinion.

The people who DEMAND the right of the PARTY of Morality to intrude into the PRIVATE lives of others are also the ones who fear that whole national identification based on their abject fear of the governement intruding into THEIR lives.. with having to prove who the hell they are...

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[masterrig 1]

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I support the national ID for several reasons.. and I have reservations.. BUT.... people should have to PROVE who the hell they are. I think it would alleviate all kinds of FRAUD( identity theft etc).... illegal immigration...not an American.. you dont have a right to work in America. Legal immigrants.. guest workers.. ALSO get an ID that allows them to work. The government can and does track a HELL of a lot of PII.. transactions..you name it. I dont like it.. but it is what it is.. the half assed crap we have now does not work.. and far too many people are taking advantage of those of us who DO abide by the law.

I totally agree with you and am in favor of of a national ID card!. Shoot, every year, when I was a kid and registered for school, I had to show my birth cirtificate to prove I was Bob and Mary's kid! Every year, I showed it to the person who asked for it the year before. It was no big deal. We have become so lax and lackidasical in this country, it's no wonder we have illegal immigration problems and the like. The rate we're going, we are going to lose what we know of this country as a soveriegn nation.


Chuck

[Lucky... 0]

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Why is this a problem?

After Roadblocks, Florida Officials Push to Enforce Voter ID Law
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/13/after-roadblocks-florida-officials-push-to-enforce-voter-id-law/

"... this is just another in this long history of trying to make it difficult to vote in the United States,” said Brad Brown, of the NAACP.

I'd like my SSI check please. Here's my state ID.

I'd like to register to vote. I ain't got no mofo ID!

And they say the RW is racist? I won't hear of it.

[quade 4]

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Come to the land of the free...

I'd have to be a lot more successful at what I'm trying to do before I could have the leverage to leave southern California.

It still absolutely floors me how many people in this thread don't see any issues with this National ID concept. What surprises me even more is that some of these same people are vehemently against gun registration, but when it comes to their own bodies . . . that's fine?!?

Just amazing.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[akarunway 1]

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Why is this a problem?

After Roadblocks, Florida Officials Push to Enforce Voter ID Law
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/13/after-roadblocks-florida-officials-push-to-enforce-voter-id-law/

"... this is just another in this long history of trying to make it difficult to vote in the United States,” said Brad Brown, of the NAACP.

I'd like my SSI check please. Here's my state ID.

I'd like to register to vote. I ain't got no mofo ID!

I've always had to show ID in Fl. when voting. Since the 70's. I was not allowed to vote one time. Moved to a different precinct and HQ took the phone off the hook. I was pissed. And your post sounds pretty racist to me.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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Come to the land of the free...

I'd have to be a lot more successful at what I'm trying to do before I could have the leverage to leave southern California.

It still absolutely floors me how many people in this thread don't see any issues with this National ID concept. What surprises me even more is that some of these same people are vehemently against gun registration, but when it comes to their own bodies . . . that's fine?!?

Just amazing.

I want out too! Aside that. Your SS# is your national ID. We need no more legislation. I normally don't carry ID just to fuck w/ the cops. It IS NOT REQUIRED (by law) as of yet. Going to play w/ my guns today.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[shropshire 0]

We're having a similar debate over here. There are people that think that a National ID Card will cure all our ills - but it will not.

On the other hand it could be be used to streamline an otherwise daft situation where we have multiple related document that could be a single PIV (personal identification verification) card - National Insurance Number, Driving License, Passport.


A single Smart card would be the best way to go IMHO.

What I would object to having to carry that all the time and be forced to show my "Papers" to some Nazi cop!!

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[mnealtx 0]

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I normally don't carry ID just to fuck w/ the cops. It IS NOT REQUIRED (by law) as of yet.

Best be careful about that - failure to identify is an arrestable crime in several states.

look up HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF
NEVADA, HUMBOLDT COUNTY

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[akarunway 1]

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I normally don't carry ID just to fuck w/ the cops. It IS NOT REQUIRED (by law) as of yet.

Best be careful about that - failure to identify is an arrestable crime in several states.

look up HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF
NEVADA, HUMBOLDT COUNTY

LOL. I just tell em to fuck off. Bin in cuffs a few times. Don't care. Make a Ph. call. Bring Guns, Lawyers, and Money.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[rushmc 23]

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I normally don't carry ID just to fuck w/ the cops. It IS NOT REQUIRED (by law) as of yet.

Best be careful about that - failure to identify is an arrestable crime in several states.

look up HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF
NEVADA, HUMBOLDT COUNTY

LOL. I just tell em to fuck off. Bin in cuffs a few times. Don't care. Make a Ph. call. Bring Guns, Lawyers, and Money.

Go Warren Zevon!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

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I normally don't carry ID just to fuck w/ the cops. It IS NOT REQUIRED (by law) as of yet.

Best be careful about that - failure to identify is an arrestable crime in several states.

look up HIIBEL v. SIXTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF
NEVADA, HUMBOLDT COUNTY

Just FYI, the crime in Hiibel was simply failure to state ones' own identity, not failure to carry identification documents. That being said, I felt that the Hiibel decision sucked (still feel that way), and I envision that Hiibel will be used as a jurisprudential stepping stone to criminalizing mere failure to carry govt-mandated identification documents on one's person - you know, just like in all those other countries.

By the way, FWIW, Hiibel was decided by the more conservative wing of the SCOTUS, while the liberal wing dissented.

For people who say they already carry all sorts of ID, well, those are still technically optional. You can choose not to have a driver's license; you can choose not to register to vote; you can choose not to work at a govt job that requires a thumb print and picture ID; I can choose not to be a member of the Bar of certain states that require me to submit to fingerprinting for the privilege (some do, some don't), etc.

Many states offer non-driving picture IDs through their states' DMVs. But the key there is that those are all optional, not mandatory. I suppose I might not have a problem with the US govt offering a national ID, simply for the sake of convenience and standardization, as long as it's kept strictly OPTIONAL. (To an extent, it already exists, albeit not in convenient card-form: the passport.) I DO have a problem with a MANDATORY national (or state) ID, and am opposed to that.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Go Warren Zevon!

'bout time you said something with universal appeal.

[mnealtx 0]

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I DO have a problem with a MANDATORY national (or state) ID, and am opposed to that.

Agreed - I don't see the need for it, either - 'full faith and credit' and all that.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706