Dear Mr. Obama

[rushmc 23]

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I think most patriotic songs are pretty corny... i think that's why they tend to have mass appeal... appeal to the lowest, most base and common intellectual level of the masses and it sells

I can't take credit for it, but its beautiful.

Even more sad.

I will pray for you my friend

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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I think most patriotic songs are pretty corny... i think that's why they tend to have mass appeal... appeal to the lowest, most base and common intellectual level of the masses and it sells

I can't take credit for it, but its beautiful.

Hhmm, just noticed the UK in your title. Makes perfect sense to me now. ..... and a lot easier to not care what you think
Thanks

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy_Copland 0]

Well i am honoured.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Andy_Copland 0]

Awwww now im the enemy

"if you're not with us you're against us!"

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[masterblaster72 0]

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That was, without a doubt, one of the best posts I've ever seen (a greenie) make!

Figures, coming from a guy with a mushroom cloud as his avatar.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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It is what I believe.

It may be what YOU believe.. but MOST of your fellow Americans......members of this champion of democratic principles DOES NOT.

YOUR WAR.. was and still is based on LIES.. and people of your ilk swallowed the lies because YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

At least this kid believes what he did made a difference.. its too bad he and so many others had to sacrifice so much for so few Americans who would not even use our people sparingly but instead sought to put other peoples lives on the line for THEIR personal gain..

SHAME ON YOU... SHAME ON ALL OF YOU

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/?gclid=CI6c0pGN2pUCFQ-kiQodPx2kYA

False Pretenses
Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

[Andy_Copland 0]

Its the symbol of peace dont ya know.

"my stick is bigger than yours!"

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[airdvr 210]

If he was lying he had alot of people lying with him. In reality he did what the Dems had been beggin since the Clinton administration.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is useing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Amazon 7]

SHAME ON YOU


ITs truly sad that with all the suffering of OUR people.. and the people of Iraq... that you have to JUSTIFY YOUR WAR..... by TRYING to shift blame onto others.. than those who took us there under FALSE PRETENSES...

[rushmc 23]

Ouch

This one has got to hurt

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

Cockle doodle doo

[rushmc 23]

I still wonder how Bush 2 cooked the intel back in 1998

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

Mark.. guess what... President Clinton.. DID NOT take us to war in Iraq.... no matter how much you want to BELIEVE its all his fault.

Its YOU GUYS ... your right wing chickenhawks.. that took us there under false pretenses...

[rushmc 23]

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Mark.. guess what... President Clinton.. DID NOT take us to war in Iraq.... no matter how much you want to BELIEVE its all his fault.

Its YOU GUYS ... your right wing chickenhawks.. that took us there under false pretenses...

Bush would not have if Clinton had not lied about the intel

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[warpedskydiver 0]

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Uh, there have been several cases of veterans from the current war being spit upon.

And no, the video posted was not the "...the opposite, cringe worthy crap...." Just a permanently disabled soldier stating his opinion.

And that's exactly what it was, and people will find fault with that.

I don't like the song, but I am just that way.

I think he is more than entitled to voice his opinion, and his own experience is ALOT more than others that may deride him for stating such.

[rushmc 23]

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Uh, there have been several cases of veterans from the current war being spit upon.

And no, the video posted was not the "...the opposite, cringe worthy crap...." Just a permanently disabled soldier stating his opinion.

And that's exactly what it was, and people will find fault with that.

I don't like the song, but I am just that way.

I think he is more than entitled to voice his opinion, and his own experience is ALOT more than others that may deride him for stating such.

Fortunatly only a few angry lost ones will find fault. The majority thank those like him for what they have done for us.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Lucky... 0]

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You know what i find hilarious (or sad rather?)

During Vietnam personnel where spat on and crapped on which can only be called disgusting.

Now we have the opposite, cringe worthy crap like this.

Is there no middle ground of "thanks, great job"?

Yea but at the soldier level, we aren't critical, just at the admin level.

[nerdgirl 0]

Very powerful video.

If I go through the archives will I find you critiquing the shameful attacks against Max Cleland, who I’m confident you know lost both legs above the knee and his forearm in combat in Vietnam?

If you (general not specific “you”) consider the views of US soldiers & disabled combat veterans more important, are his less important because he disagrees with your politics?

Max Cleland on Iraq War (no music)

If you cite fault because Cleland served in Vietnam, how do you (again general not specific “you”) dismiss the views of Tammy Duckworth and Steven L. Robinson, the latter who speaks about Sen Obama’s efforts bipartisan efforts to support veterans & who criticizes Sen McCain’s lack of involvement, or the views of Army veterans Koby Langley (82nd Airborne) and Clint Douglas (20th Special Forces Group) who are supporting Sen Obama?

For those who value the voice of American veterans and have interest in other viewpoints, you might find value in looking at the 2006 book Max Cleland co-authored,

“In Conflict takes a rare look at the Iraqi War through the words of those who have fought it. The book features more than two dozen veterans from all military branches, from fighter pilots, nurses, medics, and foot soldiers to prison guards, POWs, and reservists, each accompanied by a compelling photograph. Together they comprise a group portrait of American men and women located all over the country and from all age, race, and socioeconomic groups -- men and women whose voices, surprisingly, are rarely heard in the din of discussion on this endlessly analyzed subject. They speak from veterans' hospitals, homes, army bases, and homeless shelters. While their viewpoints are as diverse as their backgrounds -- some supportive, some opposing, some simply confused –

In Conflict captures one thing these eloquent commentators share: all have been irrevocably changed by their experience.”

Contrary to the advocated perception, there is no uniform military perspective … e.g., as was reported in Army Times last month “Troops contribute more to Obama campaign:

“… in terms of total contributions during the 2008 election cycle, 859 service members have contributed a combined $335,536 to Obama as of June 30, an average of about $391 a person.

“In comparison, 558 service members have contributed a combined $280,513 to Sen. John McCain, an average of $503 a person.

“Running a close third in the contributions is Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who has suspended his run for the Republican presidential nomination but has not formally dropped out of the race. He has received $232,411 in contributions from 537 military members, an average of $433 a person.”

*More interesting, im-ever-ho, and perhaps telling, is donations of overseas military personnel are considered:

“Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said.

If there is one uniform military perspective, perhaps it might be support of the US Constitution, which they (& others) swear to uphold.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[FallingOsh 0]

I understand the point you're making.

That said, the Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times, and Marine Corps Times are the military equivalent of the National Enquirer. None are sponsored by the military.

I'm not saying what you posted isn't true, i didnt look it up. It's just funny to me that one would be sited as a reliable source.

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Stay positive and love your life.

[nerdgirl 0]

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That said, the Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times, and Marine Corps Times are the military equivalent of the National Enquirer. None are sponsored by the military.

Yep. I know that they are not USG sponsored. They are read highly, very highly, by members of the military and the DoD.

One can also find references in other places:

USA Today,

AP Newswire, as cited by that mid-Missouri broadcaster, or longer run of the AP story by San Diego Tribune and FoxNews,

AFP,

Washington Times,

Washington Post,

NBC,

The Australian.

Gave you a few more cites.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[diverdriver 7]

Scott, your service and the service of this soldier are to be commended, appreciated and honored. I think Sadam was a bad dude. I think he was a genocidal maniac and proved it by gassing the Kurds.

I oppose the handling of the war by the Presidnet. NOT the members of the Armed Forces of the USA and Allies in Iraq. They have performed tremendously. Never doubted that.

But I was just having this discussion with a friend of mine who posted that same video on his facebook. The arguement that people have died in this war means that anyone who opposes it is wrong is ...well, wrong. It's circular logic to say that because people have died in this war so we should never pull out. YOU have done good on our behalf over there. YOU have given them a chance to take control of their country. But at a certain point they must take control of their country and be responsible for their security. How many days after the war started was Sadam toppled? The Iraqis must stand up for themselves and say enough with the violence. And they are. The surge worked. And as I understand it a tactic change in dealing with the groups over their also helped lower the violence.

Pull out of Iraq the day after Obama take office = bad.
Stay for 100 years (no I don't believe 100 years of combat) in Iraq = bad.

I do not believe Obama will withdraw all troops immediately or even as fast as some think he will. I do not believe McCain will keep troops in Iraq forever either and will withdraw them also.

Obama wants to focus on Afghanistan and I think he's right. I have not heard from McCain much talk about refocussing on Afghanistan. Not saying he hasn't said anything I just haven't heard what he thinks.

So it comes down to other issues like domestic things and I believe Obama will be better than McCain. As an airline pilot I know McCain hates us and actively votes against our issues. Just so you know I am not a one topic voter. I think McCain is a hero and a true example of what it means to serve your country with honor. I just can not agree with his policies.

I will vote Obama.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
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[TheAnvil 0]

I think military members and veterans will have differing views of all sorts. The kid did a very powerful video.

I don't think Sen. McCain hates airline pilots, though I do believe he doesn't like unions abusing their power and would be quick to use Taft-Hartley if required to do so for the good of the country.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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I think military members and veterans will have differing views of all sorts. The kid did a very powerful video.

I don't think Sen. McCain hates airline pilots, though I do believe he doesn't like unions abusing their power and would be quick to use Taft-Hartley if required to do so for the good of the country.

Abusing union power? Have you read the Railway Labor Act that we have to go by during negotiations? It is VERY slanted towards management to begin with.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
FB #4125

[TheAnvil 0]

I don't think they're Draconian at all, but think as you like. I always do.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[riddler 0]

What amazes me is the level of support that George W Bush gets from members of the armed forces.

Here's an analogy. What if I dressed up as a firefighter for Halloween one year, then ran for public office, trying to garner support by saying I was a firefighter? Shouldn't that make firefighters angry? I think it would.

When American soldiers went to war in Vietnam, Bush used his father's political pull to get into the Texas Air National Guard (to avoid going to Vietnam), didn't show up for work, and was accountably drunk for most of his "service" (including one DUI). Dubya was no more a soldier than I am a firefighter after dressing up as one for halloween.

And yet, he continues to be popular with members of the armed services, referring to his time in the National Guard, dressing up in flight suits, and pretending to be an old soldier. Shouldn't that make real soldiers angry?

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