Cleared: Jury decides that threat of global warming justifies breaking the law

[rushmc 23]

What do all you over there think of this?




http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cleared-jury-decides-that-threat-of-global-warming-justifies-breaking-the-law-925561.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[airdvr 210]

Hmmm...you can bust up a power station over there but don't you dare insult the Pontif.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[jakee 1,596]

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Hmmm...you can bust up a power station over there but don't you dare insult the Pontif.

Dude. You do know that Britain and Italy are not the same place, right?

You silly Canadians...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[airdvr 210]

Over there for me is across the pond.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rushmc 23]

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Hmmm...you can bust up a power station over there but don't you dare insult the Pontif.

Dude. You do know that Britain and Italy are not the same place, right?

You silly Canadians...

I know I know. I was looking at the link for the paper and stopped thinking about where the story was coming from as opposed to which paper it was written in

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[christelsabine 1]

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Hmmm...you can bust up a power station over there but don't you dare insult the Pontif.

Dude. You do know that Britain and Italy are not the same place, right?

You silly Canadians...

The Pontiff does not live in Italy.

But, this surely will not make any difference for some posters over there, I guess

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[JohnRich 4]

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What do all you over there think of this?

Good gosh! Just open up the gates to all coal plants and hand out molotov cocktails to the protesters as they walk through. Screw all those criminal-citizens that need the electricity from those plants.

What's next? Fire-bombing manufacturing plants that make internal combustion engines?

Bring on the anarchy!

[jakee 1,596]

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Hmmm...you can bust up a power station over there but don't you dare insult the Pontif.

Dude. You do know that Britain and Italy are not the same place, right?

You silly Canadians...

The Pontiff does not live in Italy.

But the reference that Airdvr was making was to a comedienne who was arrested in Italy.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[lawrocket 3]

What are the odds that we will see a spate of attacks against power generating stations there now on this basis?

And as an attorney, I gotta wonder how much Hansen got paid for this job he did. The resources required for this type of defense would be mind boggling.

I think it'd be fun to cross-examine Mr. Hansen. I.e., "With regard to this global warming, are you still using the global 30-year mean of 1951-1980 as the basis for your climate chang predictions?
"Why or why not?

"Mr. Hansen. Did you not say on June 23, 2008, 'CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature?'" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-hansen/twenty-years-later-tippin_b_108766.html)

Now, back to the post:

Does this sound like a "scientist" or a person with a definite agenda? It was more about hating petrochemical companies than anything.

My favorite quote from the above url:

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But while skepticism is the lifeblood of science, it can confuse the public.

Sounds like something a Kansas School Board would say, doesn't it? "We can't have skeptics inserting themselves into this. Skeptics should be kept secret."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

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What are the odds that we will see a spate of attacks against power generating stations there now on this basis?

And as an attorney, I gotta wonder how much Hansen got paid for this job he did. The resources required for this type of defense would be mind boggling.

I think it'd be fun to cross-examine Mr. Hansen. I.e., "With regard to this global warming, are you still using the global 30-year mean of 1951-1980 as the basis for your climate chang predictions?
"Why or why not?

"Mr. Hansen. Did you not say on June 23, 2008, 'CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature?'" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-james-hansen/twenty-years-later-tippin_b_108766.html)

Now, back to the post:

Does this sound like a "scientist" or a person with a definite agenda? It was more about hating petrochemical companies than anything.

My favorite quote from the above url:

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But while skepticism is the lifeblood of science, it can confuse the public.

Sounds like something a Kansas School Board would say, doesn't it? "We can't have skeptics inserting themselves into this. Skeptics should be kept secret."

I got to see Mr Hansen here in Iowa.. I was not impressed. To some he ranks up there with Overlord Obama

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[christelsabine 1]

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But the reference that Airdvr was making was to a comedienne who was arrested in Italy.

I know. This one has nothing to do with the silly other thread about la comédienne in Italy (which surely will not go into jail )

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[Amazon 7]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[billvon 3,119]

>What are the odds that we will see a spate of attacks against
>power generating stations there now on this basis?

Probably a lot, unfortunately.

>I think it'd be fun to cross-examine Mr. Hansen.

I have a feeling you might come off looking like a non-lawyer trying to argue with you over inheritance law.

>"But while skepticism is the lifeblood of science, it can confuse the public."
>Sounds like something a Kansas School Board would say, doesn't it?

The Kansas School Board would, as many do, see the different interpretations of various details of evolution as "scientists can't agree on evolution! There's no CONSENSUS! Therefore it is false." It is indeed a problem.

[lawrocket 3]

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I have a feeling you might come off looking like a non-lawyer trying to argue with you over inheritance law.

You actually listed a topic I have always avoided like the plague.
What I'd have, though, is a list of his predictions and objective evidence to see how they played out.

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scientists can't agree on evolution! There's no CONSENSUS! Therefore it is false."

Some argue that lack of consensus means falsity. Others argue that consensus equals truth. I argue that subjective perception and objective fact are different things that may often agree.

Statement - "it's 90 degrees today. Hot weather." - probably said by a visiter to Fresno from Seattle today
Statement - "it's 90 degrees today. What hot weather!" - probably said by a visiter to Fresno from San Francisco today
Statement - "it's 90 degrees today. It's hot as blazes!" - probably said by a visiter to Fresno from San Diego today
Statement - "it's 90 degrees today. Pleasant and relatively cool." - said by me today in Fresno, where I'm acclimated.

Consensus - it's 90 degrees today. No argument there. But most of the sampleof people agree it is hot. I am a denier and I may confuse people, so I should shut up.

Facts are one thing. Interpretation and prediction are separate things entirely.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,150]

Since accelerating an average car away from traffic lights adds about 3 extra ounces of CO2 to the atmosphere, maybe I can use this defense to justify running red lights.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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Since accelerating an average car away from traffic lights adds about 3 extra ounces of CO2 to the atmosphere, maybe I can use this defense to justify running red lights.

As long as you can afford this lawyer and Mr Hansen you might get away with it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,119]

>Some argue that lack of consensus means falsity. Others argue that
>consensus equals truth. I argue that subjective perception and objective
>fact are different things that may often agree.

Of course. Consensus only means that most people agree with a given topic. I think that many people take your second meaning, and fear that (for example) consensus on climate change means that any dissent will be quashed for being "untruthful."

>Consensus - it's 90 degrees today. No argument there.

You would think. But if this were related to climate change here, and you posted that it was 90 degrees out, you would immediately get:

"The thermometer is broken. It's not really 90 degrees."
"The thermometer is operated by NOAA, which has a relationship with Hansen - so they are not to be trusted."
"The thermometer is clearly under Al Gore's SUV."
"THERE'S NO CONSENSUS! It's a LIE! I found a bag lady who thinks it's snowing."

> I am a denier and I may confuse people . . .

Well, being a denier or an alarmist are really political positions, positions I think most people understand.

[lawrocket 3]

Bill - I believe we are in agreement.

My wife is hotter than your wife.