911 attacks? US military might?

[warpedskydiver 0]

You served 1 term?

What the fuck were you, class secretary?

I have never EVER heard anyone, active, reserve, or retired that called it a TERM.

I call bullshit.

If I knew it for a fact that you did not serve in the military, you might be in a world of crap.

You do know there are laws governing this act right?

I think you may want to come clean and ask forgiveness, or hope that any veteran on this site, or in this sport, regardless of political ideology, finds out who you are,

You PICK

Veterans, and those currently serving, you might want to add your own comment.

Don't worry, you can always try to befriend Jeanne/Amazon, I think she might give you a big 'ole hug for being a fake

[kallend 2,146]

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Fair enough Mr. Fernackerpan.

But a number of us also do not post anonymously.

Besides, you know I like to use a stir stick!

Anonymous posters have significantly less credibility than those who are willing to admit to their identity, PARTICULARLY when making claims about personal achievements and attributes, when thay have no credibility at all.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Heck I know who he is, and who he hangs around with, I guess you are not privy to such information eh?




Or are you just attempting a personal attack on someone who many people here actually know?

I think you might want to stop before people think you are an asshole for doing so.

[kallend 2,146]

If the shoe fits, by all means wear it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[christelsabine 1]

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You served 1 term?

What the fuck were you, class secretary?

I have never EVER heard anyone, active, reserve, or retired that called it a TERM.

I call bullshit.

If I knew it for a fact that you did not serve in the military, you might be in a world of crap.

You do know there are laws governing this act right?

I think you may want to come clean and ask forgiveness, or hope that any veteran on this site, or in this sport, regardless of political ideology, finds out who you are,

You PICK

Veterans, and those currently serving, you might want to add your own comment.

Don't worry, you can always try to befriend Jeanne/Amazon, I think she might give you a big 'ole hug for being a fake

Wow. Slowly but surely, you display your leadership skills ........

(Veterans, and those currently serving, you might want to add your own comment.)

......I mean regarding loud scatology as well as self-satiesfied posts.

It will not take long and you will overtake PFJ/Birdlike!



Good Lord! Lucky really is giving you hard times

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[warpedskydiver 0]

Your lack of understanding when it comes to how Veterans view fakes, or possible fake veterans is obvious.

I hope you someday understand.

Lucky isn't bothering me, but yet, when he posts things like "1 Term" I am led to believe he is not in fact a Veteran, but a fake.

That is something of concern, because impersonation of a veteran, and professing to have such feelings about our country (USA) is something very bad indeed.

[FallingOsh 0]

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With that said, I wish I was part of teh greatest generation, they really had something to be prideful of. And again, the troops in all wars are heroes, they didn;t get to chose the war they fought within and the sacrifice/risk is the same, even if teh mission is shit.

Bullshit. All of it.

You wish you were part of the greatest generation because they came together, faught, and died to protect the world from Nazis and Japan. They committed to the mission and sacrificed everything.

Yet, you wont stand the fuck up for the flag they defended. Who cares if you don't agree with the current government? You shit on the greatest generation's memories for acting like that.

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[FallingOsh 0]

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OMG, you need to emasculate him for not loving every second and connecting it to pride. We can't keep our lock-stepping going w/o some form of crucifixion.

It was an honest question. If he feels emasculated, that's not my fault. He didn't say anything about not loving every second. He said "nothing about military service is worthy of pride." You don't come to that kind of conclusion without something happening.

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[akarunway 1]

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THE YEAR???

Oh please tell ..... impossible to serve one year without getting booted....

on second thought....don't bother.

Not true. I had a school guarantee contract when I enlisted. See. I'm not that dumb. Couldn't get my school so I left w/ an honorable.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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Keetle, meet Pot, Pot, meet Mr. Fernackerpan

Didn't they teach you to spell in the USN? Since everone rags me.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[akarunway 1]

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There, I changd my profile..... that should help.

LOL

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[happythoughts 0]

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***>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, I don't think it is a guy. Women seem to be the only apologists who constantly defend Clinton in unrelated arguments.

No, I have junk, I just checked, again.

Whatever. These words have the same doubtful veracity as those of all anonymous trolls.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>It's one of those pointless and misleading timewasters that cause people to constantly restate the obvious facts.

I wrote about Clinton's BJ and subsequesnt lie, what did I ommit or misstate? He was impeached for lying to congress and obstruction of justice, as I wrote, BJ and subsequent lie.

You said "and". He was indicted for lying.
For some reason, women have to throw in some discussion of the BJ, as if to redirect the discussion to an unimportant tangent.

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...but Clinton was not convicted

He lied under oath. Then, he recanted the lie at a later date.
That is perjury. He was videotaped lying under oath. I don't know what further burden of proof that there could be.

Convicted?
He WAS disbarred by the Arkansas Supreme Court because of the perjury for 5 years citing the perjury.

I started a thread about whether anyone actually believed that either of the Clintons were honest. I wanted to hear a Clinton supporter, even one, say they believed it. None.

Of course, there was the usual, "it's about the bj" misdirection to avoid that topic.

[skydyvr 0]

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I don't post anonymously.

Uh huh, so you SAY.

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[masterblaster72 0]

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Let me take another angle on this.

If the 911 story that has been released by the USA govornment is true...

How incompetent and hopeless are the military leaders at thier Job.

The FAA had taken all the appropriate measures to inform the appropriate authorities about the aircraft that had infringed the air law by turning off transponders and flying in a direction that is not manifested.

How were these planes allowed to hit thier targets when the US military has several air bases in the regon that have aircraft that can fly at mach 2 and can be in the air within 5 minutes of recieving the command.

That is some very sloppy work by the USA military.

We'll let them away with the first strike but the second? and the pentagon? the pentagon is hit by a hijacked airplane 57minutes after the world trade centre is hit by the first plane?

The pentagon is supposed to be in the most restricted airspace on the plannet but a 757 did a low level beat up and was allowed to slam into it?


Either way the US leaders should have been removed, tried and penalised for their wrong doings or faliures to do what they are payed very well to do.

This whole thing is an outrage.

This is why I'm convinced that there was at least some complicity on the part of this administration. Not to mention Condi's "historical document" about Bin Laden being determined to strike in the US.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[rhys 0]

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First of all whoever started this thread is a fucking idiot.

Personaly I don't give a shit if anyone makes a personal attack at me.

But to call me an idiot for questioning the fact that, the pentagon was supposedly hit by a commercial aircraft 3 minutes shy of an hour after the first plane hit the WTC, is an idiotic statement in itself.

Concluding that you military is either; in on the act at some level or another or fucking hopeless is quite true what other scenarios are there?

The pentagon is the central intellegence centre for the USA and in the most restricted airspace in the world, a 757 is reported to have flown at less than 1000 feet for some time after intiating a turn that is basically impossible for that aircraft type and hits the buliding.

The USA wants to build missile silos in Poland for defence???? when they cant even protect their own cental intellegnce centre an hour after the country has been attacked.

The USA spends more money on military than almost the rest of the world combined, has fighter jets that fly at Mach 2 and more than 6 airforce bases near the pentagon. These aircraft can be in that air in less than 5 minutes after the command is given.

Use your brains people, this shouldn't have happened. the WTC maybe but the pentagon? Are you fucking crazy?

Why was Donald Rumsfeld still in charge for 5 years if he was obviously not competent in defending your country.

Is a box cutter really all that is needed to overcome a multi trillion dollar military?

I don't think so.

Explain why I am an idiot again for thinking; either the military is in on it at some level or they are fucking hopeless.

there is much more to this debarcle that is fishy but you have to question how the pentagon is allowed to be hit by a hijacked aircraft when the the while all the aircraft in the country are being grounded.

Why do you not question that?...

...Because it is too disturbing to beleive anything other than what you have been told!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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And if the Military had scrambled and shot down civilian airliners you would be trying to roast them for killing civilians.

No, not at all. I'm sure the whole world wouold have understood considering what had just happened 57 minutes earlier.

What I do believe is unethical and fucking stipid is to attack a country that wasn't even involved, kill many thousands of civilians and waste your entire economy.

Also sending US civilians back into manhattan so soon after the attacks and in turn Killin more people than were killed on the day itself. What kind of fuckwith will send civillians into a asbestos infested area?

surely the stock exchange could have been temporarily moved while the place was cleaned up?

Those 1000's people that died or are dying from respotory illness from that stupid decision were murdered.

They were told it was safe, the professional scientist said it was not safe, the public was assured it was safe and now 1000's are dead.

That is murder and someone shopuld be responsable.

Fucking assholes!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[SpeedRacer 1]

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Why do you not question that?...

...Because it is too disturbing to beleive anything other than what you have been told!

I was talking to my uncle about conspiracy theorists in general. His opinion was that people become conspiracy theorists because they want to believe that SOMEONE is in control. Even if that someone is diabolical.

The other purpose of a conspiracy theory is to validate a political attitude. There's a group of people you don't like? the government, the Jews, the CIA, the Freemasons, whatever, make it about THEM.

What is disturbing to many people, is that things are NOT all tightly controlled. Yes, 19 arab maniacs managed to pull this off, in the Great and Mighty USA.
Guess what, even here shit like that can happen. Conspiracy Theorists like to believe that anytime something really bad happens, it has all been carefully orchestrated by the rich & powerful organization/group of their choice. The truth is, that incompetence still plays an important role in human history. Some bad things happen because those in power were incompetent, and not in control.

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[airdvr 210]

Some bad things happen because those in power were incompetent, and not in control.

Ya had me right 'til there.

So you're saying that those in power were incompetent and not in control when the WTC was bombed the first time?

Please don't dent the planet.

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[rhys 0]

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I was talking to my uncle about conspiracy theorists in general. His opinion was that people become conspiracy theorists because they want to believe that SOMEONE is in control. Even if that someone is diabolical.

In case you didn't notice, this is not about conspiricy, this is about how they managed to get to the pentagon, how your military failed you, how many more people have been killed by the govornment after the attack than on the day itself.

This is not a conspiricy theory, this is what happened, how did it happen and should it have happened.

No conclusions, no theories. just plain old incompetence.

I do believe that a few fucktard, asshole, greedy cunt, money hungry war mongers did this but this is not what the thread is about.

It is about facts not theories.

Tell me how it is possible for this to have taken place. why spend trillions on defence if it is worthless?

Why not question the incompetent fucks that are running the show?

aye!

Your constitution allows you to do so but you are all too scared to use it.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[TankBuster 0]

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Why is Dnald Rumsfeld still in charge if he is obviously not competent in defending your country.

Well, he isn't, which speaks to your level of knowledge about our politics.

This happened seven years ago, and and the nutjobs are still at it.

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[airdvr 210]

Please don't dent the planet.

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[rhys 0]

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Well, he isn't, which speaks to your level of knowledge about our politics.

Right you are, I have changed the post. this is a probelm with internet. tyhings are written as current but years later things change but the published words do not.

Still no one can produce an explanation other than incompetence or conspiracy.

Meanwhile many 1000's of people lives lie in ruins.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[jcd11235 0]

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What led you to this conclusion? Nothing of military service is worthy of pride? I've had some shitty jobs and they've all had some level of pride. was there something specific that happened?

Just curious

I guess life has led me to that conclusion. When military strength is abused far more often than it is used wisely and judiciously, as has been the case with the US armed forces during at least the last half century, those who wear the uniform are not without blame. They don't deserve all of the blame or even close to it, but they are not blameless.

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[Lucky... 0]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Personaly I don't give a shit if anyone makes a personal attack at me.


Uh, Tankbuster, in post 78 called you a fucking idiot, I was merely spinning it around on him. I personally agree with your points in this thread, completely. (other than your attacks on me!)

Then you join the attack on me with the concern over my military record..... here, I'll do it for you....

[Lucky... 0]

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First of all whoever started this thread is a fucking idiot. The Air Force and our Guard and Reserve components who have the air defense tasking have always been focused on thwarting an attack from outside the US. Identifying an attack that originated within the US, using comercial airliners, was not part of the military mission. Even so, given the fog of war / confusion of that day, United 93 was only minutes from being shot out of the sky. I'm an old fighter pilot - and I'm glad I wasn't sitting in THAT cockpit. Unfortunately, we have now had to incorporate that scenario into the ROE.

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Oh no, I served 1 term, I am not a spectator as most neo-cons seem to be.

Who the hell are you? Can anyone here vouch for you? You have no information on your profile. IF what you say is true and you are a veteran, I have never known a veteran to spew anti American hate and bullshit like you do. Many disagree with current policy and that's fine, but given your level of bullshit it makes it hard for many of us to believe you.

Edited to add. Well, I just looked at the entire thread for the first time, and it seems I'm not the first to question your authenticity. Apologies for the redundancy.

For Rhys.