Global Warming’s Kaput; 2008 Coolest in 5 Years

[rushmc 23]

Seems like a dam quick turn around but what do you all think?

Monday, September 8, 2008 1:10 PM

By: Phil Brennan






The global warming theory is going into the freezer, some climate experts say.


The first half of this year was the coolest in at least five years, according to the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). And the global warming that has taken place during the past 30 years is over, says geologist Don J. Easterbrook, a professor emeritus at Western Washington University.


Easterbrook, who has written eight books and 150 journal publications, predicts that temperatures will cool between 2065 and 2100 and that global temperatures at the end of the century will be less than 1 degree cooler than now. This is in contrast to other theories saying that temperatures will warm by as much as 10 degrees by 2100.


In March, Easterbrook said he was putting his “reputation on the line” by predicting global cooling.


“The average of the four main temperature measuring methods is slightly cooler since 2002 [except for a brief el Niño interruption] and record breaking cooling this winter. The argument that this is too short a time period to be meaningful would be valid were it not for the fact that this cooling exactly fits the pattern of timing of warm/cool cycles over the past 400 years,” Easterbrook wrote on March 1.


Added to his assertion was the WMO revelation that the first half of 2008 was the coolest for at least five years and that the rest of the year almost will certainly be cooler than recent years, although temperatures remain above the historical average.


The global mean temperature to the end of July was 0.28 degrees Celsius above the 1961-1990 average, Britain’s Met Office Hadley Centre for climate change research said Wednesday. That would make the first half of 2008 the coolest since 2000. Chillier weather this year is partly because of a global weather pattern called La Nina that follows a periodic warming effect called El Nino.


"We can expect with high probability this year will be cooler than the previous five years," said Omar Baddour, responsible for climate data and monitoring at the WMO. "Definitely the La Nina should have had an effect, how much we cannot say. Up to July 2008, this year has been cooler than the previous five years at least. It still looks like it's warmer than average."


Also snowing on the global warming enthusiasts is the highly respected “Farmer's Almanac,” which predicts that the coming winter will be “catastrophic” because of bitter cold weather.


People worried about the high cost of keeping warm this winter will draw little comfort from the prediction of below-average temperatures for most of the U.S., says the 192-year-old publication, famed for its accuracy of 80 percent to 85 percent.


"Numb's the word," the almanac’s 2009 edition says, adding that at least two-thirds of the country can expect colder-than-average temperatures, with only the far West and Southeast in line for near-normal readings.


"This is going to be catastrophic for millions of people," the almanac's editor, Peter Geiger, told The Associated Press, noting that the frigid forecast combined with high prices for heating fuel is sure to compound problems households will face in keeping warm.


The almanac predicts above-normal snowfall for the Great Lakes and Midwest, especially during January and February, and above-normal precipitation for the Southwest in December and for the Southeast in January and February, the almanac states. Also, the Northeast and the mid-Atlantic regions can expect an unusually wet or snowy February.


Ivy League geologist Robert Giegengack, a professor of Earth and environmental science at the University of Pennsylvania, told phillymag.com that the history over the last 1 billion years on the planet reveals "only about 5 percent of that time has been characterized by conditions on Earth that were so cold that the poles could support masses of permanent ice."


Giegengack also noted that, "for most of Earth's history, the globe has been warmer than it has been for the last 200 years. It has rarely been cooler."


Further ammunition for global warming skeptics came from south of the border, where a Mexican scientist warns that Earth will enter a “little ice age” for up to 80 years because of a decrease in solar activity.


Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics at Mexico’s National Autonomous University, predicts that the ice period will begin in about 10 years.


Predictions of a gradual increase in temperatures called global warming are erroneous, Velasco Herrera told a conference at the Centre for Applied Sciences and Technological Development regarding predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).


The IPCC models and forecasts are wrong because they are based only on “mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity," he said.


The phenomenon of climate change should include other kinds of factors, both internal, such as volcanoes and human activity, and external, such as solar activity, he said.


"In this century, glaciers are growing," as seen on the Perito Moreno mountain in the Andes; on Mount Logan, the highest mountain in Canada; and on Franz-Josef Glacier, New Zealand, Velasco Herrera said.

Satellite data indicate that a period of global cooling may have begun in 2005, he said.







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"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

So is it possible that human activity may avert a new global ice age? A global ice age would be catastrophic to millions on this planet.

We cannot predict with 100% certainty that the earth will enter an ice age in the coming decades. But considering the potential severity of the consequences if it does, can we afford to sit idly by while the earth cools?

No. We cannot afford to wait. We must take affirmative steps to ensure that the earth's surface and atmosphere hold precious energy from the sun.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

Oh man, now you dun it.........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[AWL71 0]

Yes! We must stop the global cooling at all costs. We must do it for the children...Who will think of the children?

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[JackC 0]

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Also snowing on the global warming enthusiasts is the highly respected "Farmer's Almanac,"

For a minute there I almost thought it was trying to be a serious article.

[rushmc 23]

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Also snowing on the global warming enthusiasts is the highly respected "Farmer's Almanac,"

For a minute there I almost thought it was trying to be a serious article.

Not sure why they threw that in there either

I did find the satelite comments from 05 interesting though

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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Also snowing on the global warming enthusiasts is the highly respected "Farmer's Almanac,"

For a minute there I almost thought it was trying to be a serious article.

The amazing thing is how many people put a lot of trust in it. So, it can often be a tough thing to do in the real world when the FA predicts bitter cold to tell people that it's gonna be warm. Lots out there just won't buy it.

Another of those "scary but true.'

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[masterrig 1]

I wish, all these 'weather brainiacs' would make-up their minds! Is the earth warming or cooling? I need to know... do I need shorts and flip-flops or a freakin' parka and muk-luks? I think I'll just do what I've done for years... stick my head out the door and decide from there.

Chuck

[rushmc 23]

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I wish, all these 'weather brainiacs' would make-up their minds! Is the earth warming or cooling? I need to know... do I need shorts and flip-flops or a freakin' parka and muk-luks? I think I'll just do what I've done for years... stick my head out the door and decide from there.

Chuck

Have you got a weather rock too??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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says geologist Don J. Easterbrook, a professor emeritus at Western Washington University.

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In March, Easterbrook said he was putting his “reputation on the line” by predicting global cooling.

I generally dislike being provincial, but what kind of reputation is he putting on the line as the professor from a directional university?

[masterrig 1]

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I wish, all these 'weather brainiacs' would make-up their minds! Is the earth warming or cooling? I need to know... do I need shorts and flip-flops or a freakin' parka and muk-luks? I think I'll just do what I've done for years... stick my head out the door and decide from there.

Chuck

Have you got a weather rock too??

There's a lot of rocks around here but no weather rocks!


Chuck

[christelsabine 1]

Have you got a weather rock too??

There's a lot of rocks around here but no weather rocks!


Chuck

Hi Chuck, a weather rock "tells" you a lot of things:

1. If it's wet, it's raining
2. If it's white, it was snowing
3. If it's dry, it's warm
4. It it's missing, it's been stolen ...

(surely missed some points ...)

That's a "weather rock"

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[quade 4]

And now a view for yourselves.

http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/ClimateTimeMachine/climateTimeMachine.html

NASA has a group of scientists that images and studies the whole planet and knows more about the subject than, well, Easterbrook could ever hope to by himself.

I gotta go with NASA here.

Speaking of which . . . there's more here;
http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[jclalor 12]

Hmmm, should I believe the conservatives who think the world is 6000 years old, oppose stem cell research, believe in the rapture and that god the almighty personally talks to a select group of our leaders and tells them the Iraqi war is great idea?
Or should I believe the overwhelming majortity of scientist and all the peer reviewed studies who may not all agree on causation but do believe the earth is warming?

Hmmm.

[kallend 2,108]

In a typical year, the daily rate of ice loss starts to slow in August as the Arctic begins to cool. By contrast, in August 2008, the daily decline rate remained steadily downward and strong.

The average daily ice loss rate for August 2008 was 78,000 square kilometers per day (30,000 square miles per day). This is the fastest rate of daily ice loss that scientists have ever observed during a single August. Losses were 15,000 square kilometers per day (5,800 square miles per day) faster than in August 2007, and 27,000 square kilometers per day (10,000 square miles per day) faster than average. National Snow and Ice Data Center, Sept. 4, 2008

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[quade 4]

John --

You got that from this web site; yes?

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[masterrig 1]

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Have you got a weather rock too??

There's a lot of rocks around here but no weather rocks!


Chuck

Hi Chuck, a weather rock "tells" you a lot of things:

1. If it's wet, it's raining
2. If it's white, it was snowing
3. If it's dry, it's warm
4. It it's missing, it's been stolen ...

(surely missed some points ...)

That's a "weather rock"

In that case... they're ALL weather rocks! Gotcha now.


Chuck

[lawrocket 3]

Who should you believe? Anyone you want to believe.

I Personally operate a little differently. I prefer to look at the evidence and facts before reaching a conclusion. Which is my issue with global warming. It is a "prediction" based upon facts and calculations.

Meanwhile, I look an hour north and see Yosemite Valley, where climate change resulted in ice carving a valley and subsequent change resulted in the ice melting in the valley.

These changes no doubt sucked ass for humans livong at the time. They sucked so much that they were driven across a land bridge to the North American continent, a land bridge that subsequently disappeared due to global warming.

Unfortunately, the environmental community lost some credibility when, in my lifetime, they predicted with sound theory and calculations that human activity was causing global cooling. In the span of a decade they discovered that evidence showed WARMING. So now, we aee causing warming.

I frown at comments about, "who is this guy?" Quade, at least, posted a different opinion.

Consensus is nice sometimes. I remember how uncool I was when I was younger. The overwhelming majority of my peers didn't think going to college was of any use. I guess we should all blindly follow the majority and not question them.

After all, no positive change is ever brought about by those who think differently...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[masterblaster72 0]

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Consensus is nice sometimes. I remember how uncool I was when I was younger. The overwhelming majority of my peers didn't think going to college was of any use. I guess we should all blindly follow the majority and not question them.

After all, no positive change is ever brought about by those who think differently...

And if someone presents an idea that is not so mainstream, where someone is "thinking differently," we get this from the same poster:

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You are better than to post something so self-messianic. I have a GREAT issue with ANYONE who says that he or she knows the truth about something that nobody else knows. "You are being fooled. Let me show you the truth."

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Rookie120 0]

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Or should I believe the overwhelming majortity of scientist and all the peer reviewed studies who may not all agree on causation but do believe the earth is warming?

Overwhelming majority? You show me 50 scientists who say it is warming and I will find 50 who say otherwise. nobody knows what the hell is going on. Hell they can barely predict whats goin on tomorrow much less 50 years from now.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[quade 4]

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Overwhelming majority? You show me 50 scientists who say it is warming and I will find 50 who say otherwise.

Unfortunately for you, the numbers do not continue to scale quite that well.

Yes, it is an "overwhelming majortity."

As far as knowing what's happening tomorrow; why don't ya go stand around 22.6°N 83.2°W tomorrow about this time and tell me what the weather is like. Windy? A little rainy?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[jakee 1,564]

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Consensus is nice sometimes. I remember how uncool I was when I was younger. The overwhelming majority of my peers didn't think going to college was of any use. I guess we should all blindly follow the majority and not question them.

Oh come on Lawrocket, that paragraph is seriously retarded, and far beneath your normal logical standards.

You can see the difference between a 'majority' of a very limited selection of fuckwits who are ignorant about the topic in question, and a majority of all the people in the world actually qualified to speak on a topic?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[TankBuster 0]

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The average daily ice loss rate for August 2008 was 78,000 square kilometers per day (30,000 square miles per day). This is the fastest rate of daily ice loss that scientists have ever observed during a single August. Losses were 15,000 square kilometers per day (5,800 square miles per day) faster than in August 2007, and 27,000 square kilometers per day (10,000 square miles per day) faster than average. National Snow and Ice Data Center, Sept. 4, 2008

Ice, being a three dimensional animal, should be measured in cubic kilometers, shouldn't it? I ask that in all sincerety.

Here in Alabama, we had a very cool August. Temps in the 80s and low 90s instead of the swealtering high 90s as is typical. I realize the insignificance of the data point, but it sure has been nice!

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

[quade 4]

You're not suggesting that it's really the same amount but just getting all piled up at the North Pole like some gigantic mountain are you?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[BikerBabe 0]

Oh, i dunno, when i have my AC set to 85 degrees and it still runs most of the day all summer...i'd say it's pretty fuckin' hot.

Honestly, i'm past the point of arguing about global warming and moving on to arguing about general responsibility and long-term thinking.

Do i want to leave the earth fucked up for my children but easy and cheaper for me, or leave it a better place?

The decision is easy for me (and i don't even have kids yet!). And I don't do it because of global warming or whatever. i do it because it's the right thing to do.

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!