downwardspiral 0 #26 September 7, 2008 Quote Quote I would call what they did more of a downplay rather than..... And the GOP didn't play the Palin pregnancy for all it was worth? They didn't hide it. They didn't make excuses. They simply said,"this is us, imperfections and all." Commendable really. Spin on spin - very good. Well I hope you decide to vote for me when it's my turn to run for office. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #27 September 7, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I would call what they did more of a downplay rather than..... And the GOP didn't play the Palin pregnancy for all it was worth? They didn't hide it. They didn't make excuses. They simply said,"this is us, imperfections and all." Commendable really. Spin on spin - very good. Well I hope you decide to vote for me when it's my turn to run for office. Surely you can run on raw talent alone... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #28 September 7, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote I would call what they did more of a downplay rather than..... And the GOP didn't play the Palin pregnancy for all it was worth? They didn't hide it. They didn't make excuses. They simply said,"this is us, imperfections and all." Commendable really. Spin on spin - very good. Well I hope you decide to vote for me when it's my turn to run for office. Surely you can run on raw talent alone well if Bush Jr. can do it I think I may have a chance. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #29 September 8, 2008 I think, the children should be left completely out of the political picture. All this big interest in Palin's daughter being pregnant has nothing to do with politics. This is an 'adult' thing. Palin's daughter's pregnancy is a Palin Family thing and should have nothing to do with anything else. JMO Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #30 September 8, 2008 Awesome...ya gotta love hypocrisy exposed. They're all a bunch of liars. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #31 September 9, 2008 Quote All this big interest in Palin's daughter being pregnant has nothing to do with politics. I agree with you but with one exception. I think that the pregnancy is worth mentioning ONLY because of it's commentary on the effectiveness of the "abstinence only" sex education model. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #32 September 9, 2008 QuoteQuote All this big interest in Palin's daughter being pregnant has nothing to do with politics. I agree with you but with one exception. I think that the pregnancy is worth mentioning ONLY because of it's commentary on the effectiveness of the "abstinence only" sex education model. As opposed to the impressive effectiveness of the "sex education in schools" policy? How people choose to educate their children regarding sex is their business. There is no correct answer. Each prove equally effective or ineffective depending on your viewpoint. Either way, teens will continue to get pregnant. A huge majority of them will take the easier way out.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #33 September 9, 2008 Quote How people choose to educate their children regarding sex is their business. There is no correct answer. Each prove equally effective or ineffective depending on your viewpoint. Either way, teens will continue to get pregnant. A huge majority of them will take the easier way out. I have yet to come across a situation where less education is the solution.........except maybe when it comes to the recipe for chorizo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #34 September 9, 2008 I agree with you. It shows lack of judgment and a lack of leadership. I don’t want another person in office who makes decisions on what they feel is right. I would rather have someone that uses facts and logic to tell them what is right, wrong, or works. I am sick of idiots.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 September 9, 2008 QuoteQuote All this big interest in Palin's daughter being pregnant has nothing to do with politics. I agree with you but with one exception. I think that the pregnancy is worth mentioning ONLY because of it's commentary on the effectiveness of the "abstinence only" sex education model. O.K. I guess, 'mention' could be made of it but, it doesn't have to come-up every time Palin's name is mentioned. The way i see it, that girl's pregnancy is a 'family' matter... not the rest of the world's. Make sense? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #37 September 9, 2008 QuoteO.K. I guess, 'mention' could be made of it but, it doesn't have to come-up every time Palin's name is mentioned. The way i see it, that girl's pregnancy is a 'family' matter... not the rest of the world's. Make sense? I agree with you, It is just extra hard when the party that has been so in to people personal lives all of a sudden claims that it is off limits.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #38 September 9, 2008 QuoteO.K. I guess, 'mention' could be made of it but, it doesn't have to come-up every time Palin's name is mentioned. The way i see it, that girl's pregnancy is a 'family' matter... not the rest of the world's. Make sense? I agree that it's a family matter. And the same can be said about her son who is going to Iraq and her baby with Down's Syndrome. But if she wants to use those things for political gain, then she can expect all "family matters" to be on the table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #39 September 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteO.K. I guess, 'mention' could be made of it but, it doesn't have to come-up every time Palin's name is mentioned. The way i see it, that girl's pregnancy is a 'family' matter... not the rest of the world's. Make sense? I agree that it's a family matter. And the same can be said about her son who is going to Iraq and her baby with Down's Syndrome. But if she wants to use those things for political gain, then she can expect all "family matters" to be on the table. I see, what you are saying. If, she is using her 'family matters' for political gain... shame on her! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #40 September 9, 2008 Quote Quote O.K. I guess, 'mention' could be made of it but, it doesn't have to come-up every time Palin's name is mentioned. The way i see it, that girl's pregnancy is a 'family' matter... not the rest of the world's. Make sense? I agree with you, It is just extra hard when the party that has been so in to people personal lives all of a sudden claims that it is off limits. Funny how that works.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #41 September 9, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote All this big interest in Palin's daughter being pregnant has nothing to do with politics. I agree with you but with one exception. I think that the pregnancy is worth mentioning ONLY because of it's commentary on the effectiveness of the "abstinence only" sex education model. As opposed to the impressive effectiveness of the "sex education in schools" policy? Glad you mentioned it, since research shows it IS more effective than abstinence only: www.apa.org/releases/sexeducation.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #42 September 9, 2008 Really, so you are telling us that Condom, pills, diaphragm, and birth control is more effective than no sex at all? Interesting... "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,582 #43 September 9, 2008 Quote Really, so you are telling us that Condom, pills, diaphragm, and birth control is more effective than no sex at all? Interesting... Wow. Lot of otherwise intelligent people who can't tell the difference between telling kids not to have sex, and kids not having sex. If you're still confused and need an example, I suggest you look at Sarah Palin's daughter.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #44 September 9, 2008 Quote Really, so you are telling us that Condom, pills, diaphragm, and birth control is more effective than no sex at all? Interesting... NO, what he's saying is GIVING KIDS INFORMATION about sex & contraception is MORE EFFECTIVE than not giving them that information. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #45 September 9, 2008 Quote I agree that it's a family matter. And the same can be said about her son who is going to Iraq and her baby with Down's Syndrome. But if she wants to use those things for political gain, then she can expect all "family matters" to be on the table. Nothing her parents do make it ok to use an adolescent's private matters as political fodder. The mother may deserve it; the point is the daughter doesn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #46 September 9, 2008 QuoteQuote I agree that it's a family matter. And the same can be said about her son who is going to Iraq and her baby with Down's Syndrome. But if she wants to use those things for political gain, then she can expect all "family matters" to be on the table. Nothing her parents do make it ok to use an adolescent's private matters as political fodder. The mother may deserve it; the point is the daughter doesn't. So it's OK to use your family to promote your "family values" agenda, but when your family shows up how hollow your agenda really is, it's off limits?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #47 September 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuote I agree that it's a family matter. And the same can be said about her son who is going to Iraq and her baby with Down's Syndrome. But if she wants to use those things for political gain, then she can expect all "family matters" to be on the table. Nothing her parents do make it ok to use an adolescent's private matters as political fodder. The mother may deserve it; the point is the daughter doesn't. So it's OK to use your family to promote your "family values" agenda, but when your family shows up how hollow your agenda really is, it's off limits? I think hollow ia a stretch. Remember, she has 5 kids...not just Bristol.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #48 September 10, 2008 Here's a brief guide to GOP double standards: If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire." If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer." Black teen pregnancies? A "crisis" in black America. White teen pregnancies? A "blessed event." If you grow up in Hawaii you're "exotic." Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential "American story." Similarly, if you name your kid Barack you're "unpatriotic." Name your kid Track, you're "colorful." If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're "reckless." A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a "maverick." If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law instructor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced. If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia. If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an "arrogant celebrity". If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are "energizing the base". If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are "presumptuous". If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a "shoot from the hip" maverick. If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are "an elitist-out of touch" with the real America. If you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero. If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an "empty suit". If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an "experienced executive". If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are "extremist". If you believe in creationism and don't believe global warming is man made, you are "strongly principled". If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian with good family values. If you have been married to the same woman with whom you've been wed to for 19 years and raised 2 daughters, you're "risky". If you're a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child. But if you're a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky. If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you "First dog." If you're a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you "beautiful" and "courageous." If you kill an endangered species, you're an excellent hunter. If you have an abortion your not a Christian, you're a murderer ( forget about if it happens while being date raped.) If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents. If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society. If you're a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election. If you're a Democratic Senator who is out of public office and have an affair, your political career is over and your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #49 September 10, 2008 That's really good. Did you make that up all by yourself?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #50 September 10, 2008 Quote That's really good. Did you make that up all by yourself? No - it was an anonymous email so I can;t cite the source. However, I did check it for accuracy before I posted it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites