birdlike 0 #1 September 6, 2008 The shock of this murder in Egypt by a wealthy businessman is not that he did it, but that he was actually arrested. QuoteIt's the Mideast version of a sordid soap opera. A Lebanese pop star is brutally slain in her luxury Dubai apartment, her throat slashed. Arrested in her death: One of Egypt's most politically connected businessmen, accused of paying $2 million to have her killed. The killing of Suzanne Tamim has gone beyond a lurid crime story to something more serious -- a glimpse into the close links between Egypt's government and powerful business tycoons long viewed as above the law. For many, the surprise wasn't Moustafa's alleged involvement -- but his arrest. Egyptians are widely convinced their government won't touch influential businessmen. When Moustafa's name first appeared in media reports weeks ago, he denied a role and complained on Egyptian television that the rumors hurt the economy. The government promptly banned press reports on the slaying, suggesting that Moustafa was off-limits. Yeah, but keep bitching about how horrible it is in the U.S. Every time you do, you make some of us laugh good and hearty.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #2 September 6, 2008 Quote The shock of this murder in Egypt by a wealthy businessman is not that he did it, but that he was actually arrested. Quote It's the Mideast version of a sordid soap opera. A Lebanese pop star is brutally slain in her luxury Dubai apartment, her throat slashed. Arrested in her death: One of Egypt's most politically connected businessmen, accused of paying $2 million to have her killed. The killing of Suzanne Tamim has gone beyond a lurid crime story to something more serious -- a glimpse into the close links between Egypt's government and powerful business tycoons long viewed as above the law. For many, the surprise wasn't Moustafa's alleged involvement -- but his arrest. Egyptians are widely convinced their government won't touch influential businessmen. When Moustafa's name first appeared in media reports weeks ago, he denied a role and complained on Egyptian television that the rumors hurt the economy. The government promptly banned press reports on the slaying, suggesting that Moustafa was off-limits. Yeah, but keep bitching about how horrible it is in the U.S. Every time you do, you make some of us laugh good and hearty. And see you support my point, as obviously this was pointed at me. You have to go to the ME or Asia to find worse countries, try Western Europe, Canada, some SOuth Pacific Islands, etc... As well, can we talk Chapaquidic? You guys can't get enough throwing a 40-year case up, so let's do it again. Altho it appears not to be malicious, it was covered up and the question of her pregnancy and affair was also present, so was it a hit? Can we talk Marylin Monroe? Iran-Contra? SOme things are partisan, others the dichotomy is class, so to try to justify the corrupt nature of our country by pointing to one of the nastiest regions of the world only supports the claims of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #3 September 6, 2008 Quote .... Yeah, but keep bitching about how horrible it is in the U.S. Every time you do, you make some of us laugh good and hearty. Just a short reminder: "You" guys keep showing off your crime/murder/shooting ... stories here on a daily basis. (Not to talk about JR's hobby about the UK, let alone the collective bashing of your actual policians) Not "we". It's really surprising, how often "you" and your own fellow citizens bash your own country. "You" just don't realize it. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #4 September 6, 2008 Wow dude, you're better than Egypt. Way to go champ! Keep on judging yourself by those high standards, eh? Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #5 September 6, 2008 Quote Quote .... Yeah, but keep bitching about how horrible it is in the U.S. Every time you do, you make some of us laugh good and hearty. Just a short reminder: "You" guys keep showing off your crime/murder/shooting ... stories here on a daily basis. (Not to talk about JR's hobby about the UK, let alone the collective bashing of your actual policians) Not "we". It's really surprising, how often "you" and your own fellow citizens bash your own country. "You" just don't realize it. Right and when some citizens dissent, others will call them unAmerican, terrorists or other ridiculous names while not addressing the issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #6 September 6, 2008 Quote Quote .... Yeah, but keep bitching about how horrible it is in the U.S. Every time you do, you make some of us laugh good and hearty. Just a short reminder: "You" guys keep showing off your crime/murder/shooting ... stories here on a daily basis. (Not to talk about JR's hobby about the UK, let alone the collective bashing of your actual policians) Not "we". It's really surprising, how often "you" and your own fellow citizens bash your own country. "You" just don't realize it. The US is indeed an open book. Open enough that it still makes mainstream news in Europe what goes on over here. The bashing of our own country is something that most of us are fully aware of. As citizens it's arguable that it's our responsibility. I'll admit I get irked when I see those on the outside throwing stones, especially Europe. It goes beyond hypocrisy though, it's awe at what we in the US see happening in the EU, and we don't know if you guys over there know it's happening. I brought it up in a previous post, the Lisbon Treaty specifically. From over here, it seems that Europeans are perfectly willing to give up their own rights as individuals, sovereignty as nations, without so much as a vote, all in some grand idea of an EU constitution. If it weren't for Ireland... I'll happily compare the US to western Europe...the world in fact. At least over here I can still stand up and try to affect change. We're the easiest target, and the world's criticism is proof of that.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 September 6, 2008 So far three countries in the EU that have voted on Liburn have voted NO, the UK would if it had a vote. As for getting so much US news on English speaking new, alot of that is down to lazy reporters not wanting to make an effort to report news on countries that don't speak English.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 September 6, 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>.The US is indeed an open book. Open enough that it still makes mainstream news in Europe what goes on over here. The world is an open book. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The bashing of our own country is something that most of us are fully aware of. As citizens it's arguable that it's our responsibility. I'll admit I get irked when I see those on the outside throwing stones, especially Europe. You get irked when our own bash too, quit being minimal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll happily compare the US to western Europe...the world in fact. At least over here I can still stand up and try to affect change. Sure, capital punishment, CP on juveniles 2 years ago, medical care for everyone vs exclusive corporation-controlled dispensing, massive homeless rate, gross overspending on the military, Imperialism, corporate fascism, and on and on..... Europeans aren't jealous of our way of life, they're repulsed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..We're the easiest target, and the world's criticism is proof of that. When you have such abhorrent and sometimes covert domestic and foreign operations you become a target for all kinds of criticism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #9 September 6, 2008 QuoteI brought it up in a previous post, the Lisbon Treaty specifically. From over here, it seems that Europeans are perfectly willing to give up their own rights as individuals, What individual rights would we be giving up if the treaty were to be ratified? QuoteI'll happily compare the US to western Europe...the world in fact. At least over here I can still stand up and try to affect change. What actions can you take to affect change in the US that we can't here in Europe?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 September 6, 2008 Quote .... It goes beyond hypocrisy though, it's awe at what we in the US see happening in the EU, and we don't know if you guys over there know it's happening. .... Rest assured, we know what's going on here And if perhaps, we should not trust our own politicians, our media, there still is this option: As we all have passports in hands, we just take next flight overseas (which direction doesn't matter) or just into the European neighborhood, et... voilà! There we have it: The open view to our country/Europe from the distance. That opens the eyes, you know. As travelling is our favourite entertainment (here in my mother country at least), I'm arrogant enough to say we are better informed than most others. Travelling broadens one's horizon. PS: The Ney Work Times or Washington Post are available here, too ... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 September 6, 2008 The "At Least We're Not Egypt" defense, eh? Reminds me of the "At Least We're Not Jamaica" defense of the homicide rate in the US. We should be comparing ourselves with other first world nations.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #12 September 6, 2008 Quote Right and when some citizens dissent, others will call them unAmerican, terrorists or other ridiculous names while not addressing the issues. there is a difference between dissent america bashing. many on the left have gone beyond dissent into the realm of claiming america is a bad and evil country. as with anything, you can go too far. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #13 September 6, 2008 QuoteQuote Right and when some citizens dissent, others will call them unAmerican, terrorists or other ridiculous names while not addressing the issues. there is a difference between dissent america bashing. many on the left have gone beyond dissent into the realm of claiming america is a bad and evil country. as with anything, you can go too far. In 2000 I thought this country was a pretty descent place. I wasn't real happy all around, but moderately happy. Since then this country has gone down the shitter. So what, why care what I call this country? Will it change your day? It is so Republican toget involved in some semantic game of definitions or get feelings hurt when someone states that this country is shit. Why care? Rather we should mve for a fix, define the issues and move for a fix; this country could be great again, but we need to move away from this corporate control aspect and put the country back to the people / for the people. Of course thsi means leaving this neo-con corporate-love, which will be hard to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #14 September 6, 2008 if you think this country is shit, you should do some more travelling. america certainly isn't perfect, but it is far from shit. you don't even have to leave this hemisphere to find shittier places, just head south. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #15 September 7, 2008 Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>.The US is indeed an open book. Open enough that it still makes mainstream news in Europe what goes on over here. The world is an open book. CHINA is an open book?? NORTH KOREA is an open book?? CUBA too?? How about that. I didn't know. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #16 September 7, 2008 QuoteQuote Right and when some citizens dissent, others will call them unAmerican, terrorists or other ridiculous names while not addressing the issues. there is a difference between dissent america bashing. many on the left have gone beyond dissent into the realm of claiming america is a bad and evil country. as with anything, you can go too far. Well said.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 September 7, 2008 Quote Quote >>>>>>>>>>>>>.The US is indeed an open book. Open enough that it still makes mainstream news in Europe what goes on over here. The world is an open book. CHINA is an open book?? NORTH KOREA is an open book?? CUBA too?? How about that. I didn't know. The US is an open book after the most secret presidency ever?In general, the world is an open book in that discoveries eventually come forward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
