kallend 2,146 #1 September 5, 2008 According to snopes.com: False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about John McCain = 2 False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about Barack Obama = 26 Does this mean GOP supporters are 13 times as likely to be liars as Dem supporters?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #2 September 5, 2008 QuoteAccording to snopes.com: False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about John McCain = 2 False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about Barack Obama = 26 Does this mean GOP supporters are 13 times as likely to be liars as Dem supporters? No. I thought, as a professor, you would be smart enough to know that. Edit: The truth about Snopes."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #3 September 5, 2008 Generally, moreso in the political realm, websites are not sources of credible factual information. What websites reference are sources of sometimes-credible information. This is an amplification of American political debate in other media, which nowadays is mostly debate shows- televised opinion columns that, again, structure their statements on actual news items located elsewhere by factual news organizations. Snopes is second only to SpinSanity in this error that countless web surfers make. The fact that these sites have an archive of facts and recorded information doesn't mean everything they say is true just because of the URL in your address bar. Nice as they are, SpinSanity is just three guys and their website - as is the case with Snopes as well. What holds water is the news articles with tangible proof that they reference in their exposes. Why would one believe three guys with a website over published news reports NOT collected on the referring web sites? They have been proven wrong. Given that Wikipedia is not typically accepted as a referral source of reliable and accurate information, why would you rank Snopes as one? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 September 5, 2008 According to my initial google searches: The endowment fund at University of Chicago is $5.7B Harvard $34B Yale $22B Cornell $5.5B Brown $2.2B UConn $300M University of Connecticut $17K/yr Tuition at Brown is about $35K/yr Yale $33K/yr Harvard $31K/yr University of Chicago $36K/yr In 2007, Yale's growth on endowments was 28%. This is wealth that will crush these institutions. Their endowments are large enough to fund every student that attends, and still be positive growth with ROI. Why, oh why do these institutions pretend to represent a facet of society, bemoaning the high cost of education...when they have enough to do it for nothing...a possible reward for hard work? So, if these schools and professors continue to cite the atrocities of the costs of higher education, when they sit on a literal fortune...who's lying? What's the solution? More govt spending on education? So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #5 September 5, 2008 Quote According to snopes.com: False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about John McCain = 2 False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about Barack Obama = 26 Does this mean GOP supporters are 13 times as likely to be liars as Dem supporters? Half truths are still half true. :)-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 September 5, 2008 Hmm...which President lied under oath?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 September 5, 2008 QuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Which president commutted a guy who lied for him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 September 5, 2008 QuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Hmm...which President lied so he could send our men to war? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #9 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Which president commutted a guy who lied for him? You don't really want to go there do you?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #10 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Hmm...which President lied so he could send our men to war? Blues, Dave If we're gonna start citing examples of politicians who lie we're gonna need more bandwidth.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 September 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Hmm...which President lied under oath? Hmm...which President lied so he could send our men to war? Blues, Dave If we're gonna start citing examples of politicians how lie we're gonna need more bandwidth. LOL! Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #12 September 5, 2008 Quote Quote According to snopes.com: False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about John McCain = 2 False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about Barack Obama = 26 Does this mean GOP supporters are 13 times as likely to be liars as Dem supporters? Half truths are still half true. :) Have you ever thought that maybe there's a reason you are required to tell "the whole truth" and not "the half truth" in court.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #13 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Hmm...which President lied so he could send our men to war? Blues, Dave But did he perjure himself in doing so? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #14 September 5, 2008 You saying you think we should hold three guys who started on an alt.newsgroup and created a website up to legal standards? Will you accept wiki references in papers from your students, snopes?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #15 September 5, 2008 QuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Since all presidents take an oath when sworn in, in my lifetime it would be: Eisenhower Kennedy Johnson Nixon Carter Reagan GHW Bush Clinton GW Bush And probably Truman and Ford in my lifetime, but I can't think of specific instances for them like I can for the others.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #16 September 5, 2008 QuoteYou saying you think we should hold three guys who started on an alt.newsgroup and created a website up to legal standards? Will you accept wiki references in papers from your students, snopes?? Funny that, coming from someone who posts false rumors and defends his doing so.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #17 September 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote According to snopes.com: False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about John McCain = 2 False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about Barack Obama = 26 Does this mean GOP supporters are 13 times as likely to be liars as Dem supporters? Half truths are still half true. :) Have you ever thought that maybe there's a reason you are required to tell "the whole truth" and not "the half truth" in court. Rumors circulating on the internet aren't quite the same as testimony under oath. It's the nature of gossip to be embellished and changed over time, so even though a rumor may not be the whole truth, it's not necessarily a lie either...just rumor. Maybe Republicans are just more likely to be busy-bodies. :) linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #18 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Hmm...which President lied so he could send our men to war? Blues, Dave Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Lyndon Banes Johnson, George W Bush. I was in favor of going back into Iraq and kicking the shit out of the military, and hanging Hussein, and for Hussein claiming to have WMDs. But I have my own reasons for why Iraq should have been attacked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #19 September 5, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote According to snopes.com: False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about John McCain = 2 False rumors and half truths circulating on the internet about Barack Obama = 26 Does this mean GOP supporters are 13 times as likely to be liars as Dem supporters? Half truths are still half true. :) Have you ever thought that maybe there's a reason you are required to tell "the whole truth" and not "the half truth" in court. Rumors circulating on the internet aren't quite the same as testimony under oath. It's the nature of gossip to be embellished and changed over time, so even though a rumor may not be the whole truth, it's not necessarily a lie either...just rumor. Maybe Republicans are just more likely to be busy-bodies. :) linz OK if you want to nit-pick: snopes lists 20 outright lies about Obama, vs 2 against McCain. Still a 10:1 ratio.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #20 September 5, 2008 per snopes anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #21 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Hmm...which President lied so he could send our men to war? Blues, Dave But did he perjure himself in doing so? Not that I'm aware of. Which is worse, lying to a judge in a civil case over a blowjob? Or lying to Congress so you can get permission kill thousands of Americans? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #22 September 5, 2008 Quote per snopes anyway. Which checks out internet and chain-mail claims FAR more than you do. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #23 September 5, 2008 You just keep believing that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #24 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Hmm...which President lied so he could send our men to war? Blues, Dave But did he perjure himself in doing so? Not that I'm aware of. Which is worse, lying to a judge in a civil case over a blowjob? Or lying to Congress so you can get permission kill thousands of Americans? Blues, Dave I don't make the laws, which is a felony? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #25 September 5, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteHmm...which President lied under oath? Which president commutted a guy who lied for him? You don't really want to go there do you? Absolutely and if you go to presidential pardons, be sure to visit youyr beloved fascist Ronnie who pardoned about as many as Clinton. All I'm saying is that Libby lied under oath about something important, was convicted in a CRIMINAL COURT and Bush commuted him, full pardon comming to a theatre near you in mid January. Clinton was indicted in a political proceeding and not convicted....you are out of gas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
