Mormonism being declared untrue+Obama being a Lamanite

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Apparantly Mormonism is the only religion whose major claims have been officially declared to be untrue by the America's National Museum of Natural History, part of the Smithsonian Institution.

How fascinating! Is it also true they're encouraged to believe their religion is THE one and only religion to follow?

It'd be great to hear a Mormons explanation of these points, especially the first. I'd imagine they're aware of this, so how do they/you counter such a point, to justify the integrity of their/your religion?

p.s. Seeing US politics being the subject of choice these days, wouldn't Obama have been related to the original Lamanites, the society with skins stained dark by God to show they were evil/sinners?

For the record, I've had the Mormons visit me several times some years ago, and I've enjoyed their company. Unfortunately I've since moved and can't ask them these questions.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Apparantly Mormonism is the only religion whose major claims have been officially declared to be untrue by the America's National Museum of Natural History, part of the Smithsonian Institution.

Please link your reference here. I'd love to read that.

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Have a look here, it also includes some other links of interest.

Lamanites here.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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I think you're blowing something a little out of proportion here.

My guess is that any one of a number of government agencies would find most religion's "major claims have been officially declared to be untrue" if you just look at the facts they publish.

For instance, my guess is that if you were to ask NSF if the creation story in Genesis were "true" they'd say, "no."

So, I'm not really certain what the point of your thread is; are you simply trying to bash Mormons for believing in a story that isn't supported by evidence? Why not also take on Evangelicals for any one of a number of things they believe that aren't supported by science?

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Are you saying there is a slight chance that Obama is a sooty cunt?





I knew it all along

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OK, so lets forget the Morman bit what I want to know is did God stain Obama because he's evil?

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OK, so lets forget the Morman bit what I want to know is did God stain Obama because he's evil?

That supposes two things not in evidence; proof of the existence of God, proof of that Obama is "evil."

It's a bit like asking if Santa left Obama off his "nice" list.

Since there is no proof of either, it's kind of a silly question.

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I'm not trying to have a bash at Mormons whatsoever. As I've already mentioned, I've enjoyed their company in the past. What always struck me as a little odd was the missionaries utmost belief that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints(Mormons) was the worlds only 'true' religion. I guess many religions may believe their one is the only 'true' one as such - but how many have been declared to be officially untrue be a major institute?

No archaeologist who isn't a Mormon believes a word of the Book of Mormon.

And that's where my point lies. I'd be interested to hear of a Mormons opinion in this matter, as naturally enough, he or she would disagree to my thinking.

As for the Lamanites; well, isn't that a bone of contention!?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Are you saying there is a slight chance that Obama is a sooty cunt?





I knew it all along

Hey, it's common knowledge he's the Anti-Christ didn't-cha know?

Tenner says he becomes the next president.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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OK, so lets forget the Morman bit what I want to know is did God stain Obama because he's evil?

But you can't, if you consider the Lamanites wiped out the Nephites and were given a 'skin of blackness' by God to mark their sinfulness; many Mormons believe Lamanites built the Mayan cities and were the ancestors of today's Native Americans. And that every dark skinned human today is an ancestor of the Lamanites.

A Mormon missionary has actually told me the latter. If I remember correctly I think I scratched my head, offered him some more orange juice, and made a mental note not to introduce him to one of my black mates...

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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As I've already mentioned, I've enjoyed their company in the past. What always struck me as a little odd was the missionaries utmost belief that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints(Mormons) was the worlds only 'true' religion.

Why is that odd? If you believe that any God actually exists, then you automatically have to believe that all the others don't exist. It's a bit difficult to believe that your God created the universe, but that some other person's God also created the universe. Wouldn't make any sense.

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but how many have been declared to be officially untrue be a major institute?

A large proportion of the historical/ scientific claims of pretty much any religion on the planet are completely untrue, and any academic group would confirm that.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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why would someone laminate a presidential candidate?

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why would someone laminate a presidential candidate?

Cheeky fucker.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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I'm not trying to have a bash at Mormons whatsoever. As I've already mentioned, I've enjoyed their company in the past. What always struck me as a little odd was the missionaries utmost belief that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints(Mormons) was the worlds only 'true' religion. I guess many religions may believe their one is the only 'true' one as such - but how many have been declared to be officially untrue be a major institute?

No archaeologist who isn't a Mormon believes a word of the Book of Mormon.

And that's where my point lies. I'd be interested to hear of a Mormons opinion in this matter, as naturally enough, he or she would disagree to my thinking.

As for the Lamanites; well, isn't that a bone of contention!?

Is there ANY religion that does not consider itself the only true religion?

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I explained why it struck me as being odd. You even replied directly to my explanation. In answering your point; if you believe in God, wouldn't it be unrealistic to believe only your God is the true God, and all other religions are false? To me, this would again stink of man's misuse and misapplication of religion.

Your latter point, I recognize it.

But do you recognize my original point that Mormonism is the only religion whose major claims have been officially declared untrue....

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Sure, but how many have their arguement hampered by an official institute declaring their religion to be untrue? Doesn't all this highlight mans misuse and misapplication of religion?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Is there ANY religion that does not consider itself the only true religion?

Hinduism?

Generally speaking, believe in your God while also allowing for the belief in others. In this way, all religions are simply manifestations of the same thing. Jesus, Buddha and The Flying Spaghetti Monster could all just be different avatars of the same universal God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#Concept_of_God

Think of God as being the ultimate "gamer" and having a lot of different characters.

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Apparantly Mormonism is the only religion whose major claims have been officially declared to be untrue by the America's National Museum of Natural History, part of
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Aaaw, c'mon VR, mormonism is a religion???

I know for you islanders, the Royal House already is a religion itself, but ... mormonism???

Nevertheless, I'm willing to learn.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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Mormonism is the only world religion (13 million members and growing fast) built on a foundation of almost pure counterknowledge. Apparantly. Seems a fair one to me.

As to your Royal House; did you see the incredible amount of freaks crying their crocodile tears when Diana died?

Fuck my old boots.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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As to your Royal House; did you see the incredible amount of freaks crying their crocodile tears when Diana died?

Fuck my old boots.

"Your" - "Our" ??? Royal House? Please decide. Thks.

And NO. I did NOT see these freaks, I just broke down in front of TV, eyes filled with tears .... and did not move a millimeter for 3 days

Go and f*uck your old stinky boots by yourself, deadharted islander

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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I explained why it struck me as being odd.

No, you said what you thought was odd, you didn't say why you thought it was odd.

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In answering your point; if you believe in God, wouldn't it be unrealistic to believe only your God is the true God, and all other religions are false?

No. If you believe in a god, then by definition all the other gods are false. You can't believe in the Biblical God and Brahman. You can't believe in Allah and the divinity of Haile Selasie. If you believe in a god, you believe that all the others are false. If you think that some of the others might be true, then you do not fully believe in yours.

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To me, this would again stink of man's misuse and misapplication of religion.

That's because you are starting with the assumption that religions are perfect, and anything bad that comes of them is because of this nebulous concept of 'misuse'. Which is obviously bollocks.

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But do you recognize my original point that Mormonism is the only religion whose major claims have been officially declared untrue....

Absolutely not. Look at the evangelicals. There are far more of them than there are Mormons, and yet they've still been banned from the classroom.

(And, good as they are, I'm not sure when the Smithsonian became the official arbiter of truth?)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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You were upset when Diana died!?

Ok - it's sad when anybody dies, but if you'd been with me and my mates we'd have soon cheered you up, besides making you breathe our old boots. My buddy pretend quoted the headlines from 'The Sun'.

'Dead As A Dodi....'



As in Dodo? Ya get it?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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bsolutely not. Look at the evangelicals. There are far more of them than there are Mormons, and yet they've still been banned from the classroom.

Evangelicals have been banned from classrooms? Where?

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(And, good as they are, I'm not sure when the Smithsonian became the official arbiter of truth?)

I don't think you've read their actual statements. Have you?

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I got as far as you claiming that I've an assumption that all religions are perfect and decided to end reading your pish right there and then.

Because I didn't make that assumption.

Behave yerself!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Evangelicals have been banned from classrooms? Where?

One of their central ideas has been banned from science classrooms.

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I don't think you've read their actual statements. Have you?

Yes, I have. I think vortex's whole argument is bollocks at a much deeper level than this, this was just an aside to my main problems with it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?