Should abortion be allowed in cases of rape or incest?

[kallend 2,117]

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There are already.

There are conditions regarding the females choice. However, there aren't any conditions regarding the males choice. I believe that if the female has the choice to abort then the male should have the choice to give up parental rights and financial responsibility.

I agree 100% . But My beliefs go a bit further, and I feel that the father should have a say in the an abortion. .

So you are a firm believer in the right of a RAPIST to choose the mother of his child.

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[kallend 2,117]

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That's an interesting parallel argument.

But on this one I'd say the NO man has a single right to expect a woman to go through child birth [fullstop]

Apparently 3 people (so far) believe the rapist has that right.

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Abortion should be allowed REGARDLESS of whether the pregnancy resulted from rape.

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[kallend 2,117]

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There are already.

There are conditions regarding the females choice. However, there aren't any conditions regarding the males choice. I believe that if the female has the choice to abort then the male should have the choice to give up parental rights and financial responsibility.

I agree 100% . But My beliefs go a bit further, and I feel that the father should have a say in the an abortion. If my wife chose to abort, My life would have been destroyed, I would not be able to live with myself, and would just, give up.

I disagree. She's the one that has to carry the baby, she's the one that makes the decision. That is exactly why conversations regarding birth control, abstinence, abortion, etc, need to take place PRIOR to having sex, not after an unintended pregnancy occurs, so that issues like dad wanting to keep a kid that mom wants to abort don't come up.

We're discussing RAPE here. A conversation PRIOR to sex?

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If the federal government (or states, if you prefer) wish to make abortion illegal, they need to offer solutions other than teaching abstinence (Didn't work for Bristol, it seems.) It's absolutely cruel to think a rape or incest victim should endure carrying a child, much less having to raise him/her.

Here's one solution that's almost as ridiculous as NOT PUTTING YOUR SEXUALLY ACTIVE TEENAGE DAUGHTER ON THE PILL:

If they want to make it illegal, they should post want-ads for surrogate mothers, and keep them on retainer for just such occasions. If you believe that an embryo is indeed a child - and not a potential child - that's fine, just remove the fertilized egg from the victim and place it into one of the surrogates for incubation. Then the government can truly decide what's in the child's best interest, and act accordingly and responsibly.

(By the way, I'm a man, and I don't think any of us has any fucking business telling ANY woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.)

T.I.N.S.

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Abortion should be allowed REGARDLESS of whether the pregnancy resulted from rape.

I agree, but I'm trying to see how many people agree with Sarah Palin's position, which I consider to be extreme.

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Abortion should be allowed REGARDLESS of whether the pregnancy resulted from rape.

I agree, but I'm trying to see how many people agree with Sarah Palin's position, which I consider to be extreme.

That is an extreme position to take. And the part about not ensuring your sexually active teenager is on the pill. I still don't know much about this woman, but my take based on what I do know so far (if these things are true) is there is the potential for extremely poor judgement.

I think Mr. McCain's ploy of picking her may very well blow up in his face.

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i think any adult should be allowed to have an abortion reguardless of the circumstances surrounding conception. i also believe that minors should have to notify parents or guardians prior to having an abortion, but that's a whole debate in itself. i disagree with conservatives on this issue, but it's not a deciding factor one way or the other for me. a candidate's abortion stance is so far down on the list of issues that are important that its not a deciding factor for me.

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That is an extreme position to take. And the part about not ensuring your sexually active teenager is on the pill. I still don't know much about this woman, but my take based on what I do know so far (if these things are true) is there is the potential for extremely poor judgement.

I think Mr. McCain's ploy of picking her may very well blow up in his face.

Well put.

T.I.N.S.

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We're discussing RAPE here. A conversation PRIOR to sex?

Unless he's raping his wife, the person I responded to was not discussing rape.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

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Being personally opposed to something is someones right...

As for understanding and upholding the laws, and respecting legal precident, that is what a VP is expected to do.

Ronald Reagan was personally opposed to some things, but yet he chose to adhere to the law, and not let his own personal convictions cloud his judgment.

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Pro life is pro life. I believe that the unborn child is a life also, and horrible things happen in this world, but killing an unborn child is not the solutiion.

So a woman who has already suffered the trauma of rape should be further victimized by being forced to carry the rapist's child for nine months, along with the physical toll that pregnancy takes on a woman's body?

I would likely commit suicide before enduring such a sentence.

So you would be killing two people instead of just one.

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Being personally opposed to something is someones right...

As for understanding and upholding the laws, and respecting legal precident, that is what a VP is expected to do.

Ronald Reagan was personally opposed to some things, but yet he chose to adhere to the law, and not let his own personal convictions cloud his judgment.

And if she becomes Prez, she gets to nominate justices to the SCOTUS.

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There are a few on SCOTUS right now that you probably abhor, but yet they understand the constitution and legal precedent far better than you ever will and decide cases based upon that knowledge.

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Ronald Reagan was personally opposed to some things, but yet he chose to adhere to the law, and not let his own personal convictions cloud his judgment.

Now that's the sign of a true politician. Unfortunately, we don't see enough of that kind of conviction.

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He was a true leader, the politics were secondary.

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I disagree. She's the one that has to carry the baby, she's the one that makes the decision. That is exactly why conversations regarding birth control, abstinence, abortion, etc, need to take place PRIOR to having sex, not after an unintended pregnancy occurs, so that issues like dad wanting to keep a kid that mom wants to abort don't come up.

I don't like the concept of abortion, I'd rather see none take place through abstinence, birth control, adoption, whatever. Until that happens though, abortion at an early stage should remain legal.

Sound to me like "Equal rights when it is convenient" but women have more rights when it is hard on them. How about when the woman chooses to have the baby, and the father that wanted to have the abortion has to pay for the rest of his life, thus having a large impact on his life for the rest of his life.

Another thing that bothers me is when people say abortion is ok in certain circumstances and not in others. Abortion is either killing a baby, or just a medical procedure (like having liposuction), and if it is not killing a baby, what is wrong with it being used as a form of birth control? What is the difference between someone that has 10 tummy tucks over the course of their life and 10 abortions if it is not killing a baby?

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Sound to me like "Equal rights when it is convenient" but women have more rights when it is hard on them. How about when the woman chooses to have the baby, and the father that wanted to have the abortion has to pay for the rest of his life, thus having a large impact on his life for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately for men, the reality is that they really don't have a choice in the matter after the woman has become pregnant. It's not fair, but thinking about who you put your dick in should help cure that problem some.

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Sound to me like "Equal rights when it is convenient" but women have more rights when it is hard on them. How about when the woman chooses to have the baby, and the father that wanted to have the abortion has to pay for the rest of his life, thus having a large impact on his life for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately for men, the reality is that they really don't have a choice in the matter after the woman has become pregnant. It's not fair, but thinking about who you put your dick in should help cure that problem some.

So women and men are not equal........

This starts a whole new debate.

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Sound to me like "Equal rights when it is convenient" but women have more rights when it is hard on them. How about when the woman chooses to have the baby, and the father that wanted to have the abortion has to pay for the rest of his life, thus having a large impact on his life for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately for men, the reality is that they really don't have a choice in the matter after the woman has become pregnant. It's not fair, but thinking about who you put your dick in should help cure that problem some.

So women and men are not equal........

And?

What's the debate?

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Sound to me like "Equal rights when it is convenient" but women have more rights when it is hard on them. How about when the woman chooses to have the baby, and the father that wanted to have the abortion has to pay for the rest of his life, thus having a large impact on his life for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately for men, the reality is that they really don't have a choice in the matter after the woman has become pregnant. It's not fair, but thinking about who you put your dick in should help cure that problem some.

So women and men are not equal........

This starts a whole new debate.

Men and women are equal but different.

And I agree with Conundrum... if you don't want to take the chance of an unwanted pregancy, get snipped, use condoms, and/or don't have sex to begin with. BOTH men and women need to quit whining about negative consequenses of their actions and accept responsibility for getting themselves in that situation to begin with. If you don't want to risk paying child support if a chick keeps a kid you don't want, don't screw her to begin with. It's not rocket science here.

Is abortion killing a baby? Honestly, I don't know. I don't see a problem with very very early abortions (first month, maybe two). I do have a problem with late term abortions... if a baby can be born at 7 months gestation and survive, then abortion at that stage should not be legal. Where's the line drawn? I don't know.

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As a victim of rape, I think it's ridiculous to force a woman to have MORE mental and physical reminders of something so monumentally damaging to a person. Even after the baby is born, there are physical reminders left to their body that a baby was born from that horrible act. I'm sorry, but my life is important too. It takes years to get over something like that, and I can't say I ever will be. You can all say I'm wrong if you want, but it is my opinion.

I would have to completely agree with your point.

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Sound to me like "Equal rights when it is convenient" but women have more rights when it is hard on them. How about when the woman chooses to have the baby, and the father that wanted to have the abortion has to pay for the rest of his life, thus having a large impact on his life for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately for men, the reality is that they really don't have a choice in the matter after the woman has become pregnant. It's not fair, but thinking about who you put your dick in should help cure that problem some.

So women and men are not equal........

And?

What's the debate?

equal rights, Equal pay for equal work, women in the military, Glass ceiling........there are a lot of debates that say that women and men have equal rights.

Edited to add that I never got this answered and would like an answer from the pro-abortion crowd

Another thing that bothers me is when people say abortion is ok in certain circumstances and not in others. Abortion is either killing a baby, or just a medical procedure (like having liposuction), and if it is not killing a baby, what is wrong with it being used as a form of birth control? What is the difference between someone that has 10 tummy tucks over the course of their life and 10 abortions if it is not killing a baby?

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Pro life is pro life. I believe that the unborn child is a life also, and horrible things happen in this world, but killing an unborn child is not the solutiion.

So a woman who has already suffered the trauma of rape should be further victimized by being forced to carry the rapist's child for nine months, along with the physical toll that pregnancy takes on a woman's body?

I would likely commit suicide before enduring such a sentence.

So you would be killing two people instead of just one.

Perhaps. But I don't think I'd be able to deal with the emotional trauma of being forced to carry a rapist's child. And anyone who would force me to carry a rapist's child obviously has little regard for my life anyway.

I honestly don't know what I would do, and I hope that I never have to find out. But I'm not about to look some woman/girl in the eye and tell her, "Sorry you got raped and ended up pregnant from it, but things happen, and now it's your duty to carry that baby." (Though I suspect that most people who hold your opinion have never actually had to look a woman in the eye and say such a thing.)

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Sound to me like "Equal rights when it is convenient" but women have more rights when it is hard on them. How about when the woman chooses to have the baby, and the father that wanted to have the abortion has to pay for the rest of his life, thus having a large impact on his life for the rest of his life.

Unfortunately for men, the reality is that they really don't have a choice in the matter after the woman has become pregnant. It's not fair, but thinking about who you put your dick in should help cure that problem some.

So women and men are not equal........

And?

What's the debate?

equal rights, Equal pay for equal work, women in the military, Glass ceiling........there are a lot of debates that say that women and men have equal rights.

It really depends what we're talking about. It's impossible to be "equal" for everything. Anyone who thinks men and women are completely equal on all levels is a bit loony.