airdvr 210 #1 September 3, 2008 Show everyone what real change ought to look like. Thank you Joe Lieberman. You've got brass ones.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #2 September 3, 2008 ... I thought there'd be a clicky... Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #3 September 3, 2008 I think that's a verdict that can only be made in November.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 September 3, 2008 Quote I think that's a verdict that can only be made in November. It's even got you a little worried 'eh John?With Barack attacking GWB (an admittedly easy target) he attacks partisan congress (whose rating is even lower). His choice of Palin becomes more obvious. Makes Barack's McSame charges a bit more difficult. Then, he gets the Dem's VP candidate from 8 years ago to stump for him! Did any catch the look on Andrea Mitchell's face when she interviewed Joe right after his speech? Looked like she swallowed a spider. This is gonna be fun! Even my dyed-in-the-wool, pro-union Democrat friend muttered under his breath "not this year".Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #5 September 3, 2008 Quote Quote I think that's a verdict that can only be made in November. It's even got you a little worried 'eh John? You're counting your chickens before they've hatched. I've learned that's a dumb idea. The only good strategy I've seen is keeping George Bush away from the RNC (and the responsible party there is named Gustav).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 September 3, 2008 Quote Quote Quote I think that's a verdict that can only be made in November. It's even got you a little worried 'eh John? You're counting your chickens before they've hatched. I've learned that's a dumb idea. You can't even admit it's an excellent strategy? Possibly the only one he could use?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #7 September 3, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Quote I think that's a verdict that can only be made in November. It's even got you a little worried 'eh John? You're counting your chickens before they've hatched. I've learned that's a dumb idea. You can't even admit it's an excellent strategy? Possibly the only one he could use? The only good strategy I've seen is keeping George Bush away from the RNC (and the responsible party there is named Gustav).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #8 September 3, 2008 Quote The only good strategy I've seen is keeping George Bush away from the RNC (and the responsible party there is named Gustav). Funny thing is I was telling the skydivers around me this weekend the exact same thing...Gustav was a boon for McCain. It gave them a chance to show an improved response and kept Bush away from the RNC. Win-Win. I'll agree with the original poster though, that the Palin pickup was good for McCain. I don't really care what Lieberman had to say, as his support of McCain has been well publicized. He also got Bush to support him, and we've learned how well to regard Bush's "good ideas". Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #9 September 3, 2008 QuoteShow everyone what real change ought to look like. What has McCain said he'd change? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #10 September 3, 2008 The partisan BS in DC. He certainly has precedence.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 September 3, 2008 QuoteThe partisan BS in DC. He certainly has precedence. And that's why he's kept his campaign on the up & up and issue-oriented rather than, say, resorting to a comparison of Obama to Paris Hilton & Britney Spears? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #12 September 3, 2008 Quote I'll agree with the original poster though, that the Palin pickup was good for McCain. Blues, Dave Well - when her extreme views on sexual privacy issues become better known (no abortion even in cases of rape or incest of a minor) I think her appeal will diminish except among hard core religious zealots, and McCain has those anyway. Polls consistently show that such an extreme position is shared by less than 20% of voters. And the events of this week show the bankruptcy of her ideas on sex education.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 September 3, 2008 Quote Quote I'll agree with the original poster though, that the Palin pickup was good for McCain. Blues, Dave Well - when her extreme views on sexual privacy issues become better known (no abortion even in cases of rape or incest of a minor) I think her appeal will diminish except among hard core religious zealots, and McCain has those anyway. And the events of this week show the bankruptcy of her ideas on sex education. You lefties are really afraid of her. I like itAnd so will the majority of the countrySo? You and yours have no choice but to try and destroy herVery revealing to see and, I predict it will get much worse and then it will be too late for the left to back track. I cant wait until the video of her in church is televised on a major news source. Then we can compare it to the prayer wall noteNo sir kallend, if she is what she appears to be, she will become wildly more popular, not less popular as per your hope."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #14 September 3, 2008 I think Palin was a good pickup and I am looking forward to the speech tonight. If she does well it will bode extremly well for the RNC. The Biden pick created no excitement for Obama and Biden really brings no excitement to the Dem ticket. I think Palin will help sway alot of the undecided voters to vote for McCain.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #15 September 3, 2008 QuoteQuote I'll agree with the original poster though, that the Palin pickup was good for McCain. Blues, Dave Well - when her extreme views on sexual privacy issues become better known (no abortion even in cases of rape or incest of a minor) I think her appeal will diminish except among hard core religious zealots, and McCain has those anyway. Polls consistently show that such an extreme position is shared by less than 20% of voters. And the events of this week show the bankruptcy of her ideas on sex education. As opposed to how well the left's ideas on sex education are working? Which one is more bankrupt? That dog only hunts if Bristol didn't attend a public school. For her, pro-life means pro-life. I don't agree with her on that one but she's consistent and I don't think it's a deal breaker. Roe v. Wade isn't going to be overturned by anyone anytime soon, if ever.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,156 #16 September 3, 2008 QuoteI think Palin was a good pickup and I am looking forward to the speech tonight. If she does well it will bode extremly well for the RNC. The Biden pick created no excitement for Obama and Biden really brings no excitement to the Dem ticket. I think Palin will help sway alot of the undecided voters to vote for McCain. I don't think many undecided voters believe that a minor who has been raped should be denied an abortion by government fiat.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #17 September 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe partisan BS in DC. He certainly has precedence. And that's why he's kept his campaign on the up & up and issue-oriented rather than, say, resorting to a comparison of Obama to Paris Hilton & Britney Spears? Blues, Dave Playing the race card was really up and up too wasn't it?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #18 September 3, 2008 QuoteBiden pick created no excitement for Obama and Biden really brings no excitement to the Dem ticket. I think Palin will help sway alot of the undecided voters to vote for McCain. I'm not really looking for "excitement" when I decide who to vote for. The VP choices tell me a lot about McCain and Obama, and I'm now pretty sure that I will vote for Obama. I do think Palin was a good choice for McCain as far as helping him to win the election. It pushed some undecided voters (like myself) away, but it will help him to gain others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #19 September 3, 2008 Am I the only one wondering strategy on what? (Nevermind on what basis or how excellence is determined.) Here's a discussion from February on Sen McCain's foreign policy, defense policy, national security. I would be very interested in comparing or seeing any changes over the interim. VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #20 September 3, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe partisan BS in DC. He certainly has precedence. And that's why he's kept his campaign on the up & up and issue-oriented rather than, say, resorting to a comparison of Obama to Paris Hilton & Britney Spears? Blues, Dave Playing the race card was really up and up too wasn't it? 1 - I've yet to see Obama play the race card. 2 - Even if he has, that wouldn't make McCain's negative campaign strategy any less typical. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #21 September 3, 2008 1 - I've yet to see Obama play the race card. 2 - Even if he has, that wouldn't make McCain's negative campaign strategy any less typical. "...he doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollars bills..." Barack Obama http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2695369528081230187&ei=TNu-SIKIG4ns-wHtmYn9CQ&q=obama+race+card&vt=lf http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYX,GWYX:2006-32,GWYX:en&q=obama%20race%20card&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv# "..because the realities are...ya know...as a black man Barack can get shot goin' to the gas station." http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYX,GWYX:2006-32,GWYX:en&q=obama%20race%20card&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv#Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #22 September 3, 2008 Quote1 - I've yet to see Obama play the race card. 2 - Even if he has, that wouldn't make McCain's negative campaign strategy any less typical. "...he doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollars bills..." Barack Obama http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2695369528081230187&ei=TNu-SIKIG4ns-wHtmYn9CQ&q=obama+race+card&vt=lf http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYX,GWYX:2006-32,GWYX:en&q=obama%20race%20card&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv# "..because the realities are...ya know...as a black man Barack can get shot goin' to the gas station." http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYX,GWYX:2006-32,GWYX:en&q=obama%20race%20card&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv# So any mention at all of his race means he's playing the race card? Do you also accuse McCain of playing the POW card? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #23 September 3, 2008 Actually his play of the POW card is abit obnoxious.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #24 September 3, 2008 QuoteQuote1 - I've yet to see Obama play the race card. 2 - Even if he has, that wouldn't make McCain's negative campaign strategy any less typical. "...he doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollars bills..." Barack Obama http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2695369528081230187&ei=TNu-SIKIG4ns-wHtmYn9CQ&q=obama+race+card&vt=lf http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYX,GWYX:2006-32,GWYX:en&q=obama%20race%20card&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv# "..because the realities are...ya know...as a black man Barack can get shot goin' to the gas station." http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYX,GWYX:2006-32,GWYX:en&q=obama%20race%20card&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv# So any mention at all of his race means he's playing the race card? Do you also accuse McCain of playing the POW card? Blues, Dave His military experience is relevant to his campaign. Aren't we supposed to be beyond race? Liberals have told me for years that it shouldn't be an issue. Yet here comes the Obama's telling us that Barack has a chance of being shot going to get gas...because he's black? And that the Republicans are going to try and scare you by saying that he's black. Hell, Republicans have bent over backwards to avoid even the apprearance that race is a factor.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #25 September 3, 2008 QuoteHell, Republicans have bent over backwards to avoid even the apprearance that race is a factor. So the bottom line is you think "mentioning" = "playing the card." Out of curiosity, can think you think of a single Republican who repeatedly states Obama's middle name but not McCain's middle name? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites