MikeForsythe 0 #1 September 2, 2008 So which should we do?Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 September 2, 2008 Every vote in the Electoral system also counts - per the rules of the Electoral system. Real disenfranchisement and fraud needs to be addressed before this farcical debate is given any serious time. (illegals voting, criminals voting, people voting twice, ballots thrown out, mail-in votes thrown out, soldier's votes being thrown away or 'lost', dead people voting, intimidation at the polls, voting without ID, etc etc etc etc) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 September 2, 2008 QuoteReal disenfranchisement and fraud needs to be addressed before this farcical debate is given any serious time. (illegals voting, criminals voting, people voting twice, ballots thrown out, mail-in votes thrown out, soldier's votes being thrown away or 'lost', dead people voting, intimidation at the polls, voting without ID, etc etc etc etc) Do you include the "glitchs" in the software in Diebold machines as well?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 September 2, 2008 Add in anything to the list that should be investigated. Heck, even those frauds that favor (insert personal political party name here). ALL of them is more important than debates on the Electoral system with people that don't even understand why it was made that way in the first place and then argue against it with improvised points worthy of a 3rd grader. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #5 September 2, 2008 On a population per electoral vote basis, a resident of Wyoming currently has four times more influence than a resident of California. I think every person's vote should have an equal influence on the outcome of an election. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 September 2, 2008 QuoteOn a population per electoral vote basis, a resident of Wyoming currently has four times more influence than a resident of California. I think every person's vote should have an equal influence on the outcome of an election. Blues, Dave On a population per popular vote basis, how much influence will a single Californian have over a Wyoming resident (vs that same Wyoming resident have over the Californian). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 September 2, 2008 QuoteSo which should we do? If it were up to solely popular vote, then NYC, Chicago and Los Angeles would be the sole factors in the election. Three cities do not a country make.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,133 #8 September 2, 2008 >If it were up to solely popular vote, then NYC, Chicago and Los Angeles >would be the sole factors in the election. "Los Angeles" is not a person. We should count everyone's vote, not every square mile's vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #9 September 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteOn a population per electoral vote basis, a resident of Wyoming currently has four times more influence than a resident of California. I think every person's vote should have an equal influence on the outcome of an election. Blues, Dave On a population per popular vote basis, how much influence will a single Californian have over a Wyoming resident (vs that same Wyoming resident have over the Californian). Can you rephrase the question? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #10 September 2, 2008 We may be splitting hairs here but California has 20% of the electoral votes needed to get elected president (55) Wyoming has 1% (3) The population in the 2000 census was: California 33,871,648 or 615,848 PER electoral vote Wyoming 493,782 or 164,594 PER electoral vote My point is that although not as “perfect” as one vote per person it isn’t like Wyoming as a state can bully California with there 3 electoral votes. What it can do is join with other like minded states and BALANCE the power of one large state – such as California. Keep in mind that many people in America don’t think that California is “there kind of state”. I like the electoral votes because to a degree it prevents the large population centers from running the elections. BUT ONLY if the smaller electoral states are of the same mind set. California, New York, Texas, Florida, and Pennsylvania represent over 28% of the total population in America (301,139,947 total and approx 85,000,000) without the electoral vote politician would not have to take into consideration AT ALL any of the smaller states. (Numbers from WikiAnswers)Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 September 2, 2008 It seems many conservatives fear their fellow americans votes. No large state, nor any small one.. is monolithic in this being placed in the red column or the blue column. The real map of America is one of shades of purple. Each persons vote should count...no matter what color. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #12 September 2, 2008 Wow now THATS deep. I am now fully for "Each persons vote should count.....no matter what color" Color me purpleKevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #13 September 2, 2008 QuoteCalifornia, New York, Texas, Florida, and Pennsylvania represent over 28% of the total population in America (301,139,947 total and approx 85,000,000) without the electoral vote politician would not have to take into consideration AT ALL any of the smaller states. If you total the 2004 Presidential votes in those five states, you'll find that Kerry got 1.6% more popular votes than Bush. However, because of the electoral voting system, Kerry got 27% more electoral votes from them. A popular vote would have restricted his advantage to 1.6%, so the electoral system amplified the voice of those five states rather than diminishing it. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 September 2, 2008 QuoteCan you rephrase the question? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Blues, Dave An electric train is traveling westward at 75 mph over level ground. A prevailing north wind (FROM the north) is blowing at ground level at 25 miles per hours, it's not gusty at all. Winds increase 5 mph for every 500 feet of altitude gained. Assuming Smoke is relatively massless...assuming the boundary layer is a linear dropoff to the surroundings within one foot of the train surface.... What direction and speed is the stack's smoke moving 3 seconds after exiting? I hope that simplifies things a bit. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 September 2, 2008 QuoteOn a population per electoral vote basis, a resident of Wyoming currently has four times more influence than a resident of California. I think every person's vote should have an equal influence on the outcome of an election. But due to the election demographics, the voters of Ohio or Florida are 100 times more important to the candidates. Voters in Wyoming are ignored, and those in CA are seen merely as sources for campaign donations. Don't fix what isn't broken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #16 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Can you rephrase the question? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Blues, Dave An electric train is traveling westward at 75 mph over level ground. A prevailing north wind (FROM the north) is blowing at ground level at 25 miles per hours, it's not gusty at all. Winds increase 5 mph for every 500 feet of altitude gained. Assuming Smoke is relatively massless...assuming the boundary layer is a linear dropoff to the surroundings within one foot of the train surface.... What direction and speed is the stack's smoke moving 3 seconds after exiting? I hope that simplifies things a bit. Do not try to bend the spoon; that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 September 2, 2008 Typical - why won't you answer the question instead of evading it? AH HA!! victory is mine. Bring on the dancing girls and the V-8 vegetable drinks. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #18 September 2, 2008 Quote If you total the 2004 Presidential votes in those five states, you'll find that Kerry got 1.6% more popular votes than Bush. However, because of the electoral voting system, Kerry got 27% more electoral votes from them. A popular vote would have restricted his advantage to 1.6%, so the electoral system amplified the voice of those five states rather than diminishing it. Blues, Dave Your right Dave, and hence my point that the electoral system doesn't hurt the big states as far as election power. THEY SHOULD have more power because they have MORE population but the EC does give some balance to the equation. Thr EC has problems but so does the one person one vote. Amazon made the point that I may not be trusting my other Americans - hell I'm not!!!! Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote If you total the 2004 Presidential votes in those five states, you'll find that Kerry got 1.6% more popular votes than Bush. However, because of the electoral voting system, Kerry got 27% more electoral votes from them. A popular vote would have restricted his advantage to 1.6%, so the electoral system amplified the voice of those five states rather than diminishing it. Blues, Dave Your right Dave, and hence my point that the electoral system doesn't hurt the big states as far as election power. THEY SHOULD have more power because they have MORE population but the EC does give some balance to the equation. Thr EC has problems but so does the one person one vote. Amazon made the point that I may not be trusting my other Americans - hell I'm not!!!! that California equation where the "state" of Cali got MORE power from the electoral college is by design - it's supposed to happen that way. The little states get balance via the 2 extra votes per state leveling. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #20 September 2, 2008 Quote Keep in mind that many people in America don’t think that California is “there kind of state”. Last time I went to California it was definitely still there.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #21 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote If you total the 2004 Presidential votes in those five states, you'll find that Kerry got 1.6% more popular votes than Bush. However, because of the electoral voting system, Kerry got 27% more electoral votes from them. A popular vote would have restricted his advantage to 1.6%, so the electoral system amplified the voice of those five states rather than diminishing it. Blues, Dave Your right Dave, and hence my point that the electoral system doesn't hurt the big states as far as election power. THEY SHOULD have more power because they have MORE population but the EC does give some balance to the equation. Thr EC has problems but so does the one person one vote. Amazon made the point that I may not be trusting my other Americans - hell I'm not!!!! that California equation where the "state" of Cali got MORE power from the electoral college is by design - it's supposed to happen that way. The little states get balance via the 2 extra votes per state leveling. Read THIS It isn't as obvious as it appears at first sight.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 September 2, 2008 Nope - DZ.com is like fast food, no links, just quips, ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #23 September 2, 2008 QuoteNope - DZ.com is like fast food, no links, just quips, I had links with my breakfast in Fort Dodge.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #24 September 3, 2008 Quote>If it were up to solely popular vote, then NYC, Chicago and Los Angeles >would be the sole factors in the election. "Los Angeles" is not a person. We should count everyone's vote, not every square mile's vote. I never said they were a person. New York City, New York 8,274,527 Los Angeles, California 3,834,340 Chicago, Illinois 2,836,658 Taking these city populations, not including the immediate outlying area, into consideration...the densely populated areas are hardly a disputed political mindset. The cities are more liberal leaning. A popular vote system puts well more than 15% of the vote in one parties' corner.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #25 September 3, 2008 Quote . . . dead people voting, . . . This has got to be stopped! They do not contribute to society in any meaningful way other than giving little kids the willies while watching horror movies. We need to take zombies out of the voting booth and put them back in their box." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
