birdlike 0 #126 September 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteWow, you, Billvon and Amazon are really having problems with reading comprehension today. Being Pro-Choice is pro-abortion, no matter how hard you try to make a distinction to quiet your consciences. The statement "I would never choose abortion myself but I would never stop anyone else from having one." is the same logic as "I would never steal, but I would never stop anyone else who chooses to steal." It's guilt by omission. Ridiculous. I'm anti-abortion, but pro-choice. I think abortions indicate a gross amount of irresponsibility, other than abortions to save the mother's life. But the key is, do we legislate the right to have an abortion or legislate the prohibition of same? We know what attempting to prohibit anything ends up doing: costing us a lot of money to fail to prevent what we are trying to prevent. It looks like in cases like these, those who will do whatever is prohibited regardless of its illegal status have us kind of cornered.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #127 September 2, 2008 QuoteHaving a hard time dealing with the bad news, aren't you? Maybe he will stop by the local recruiters office tomorrow.. since there is so little to look forward to in civilian life...for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #128 September 2, 2008 QuoteOK, I let my emotions get the best of me and said something to Bill that I completely regret and am sorry for. I truly do not think that way. I'm back on track now. To be honest, I do not understand the difference between being pro-choice and against abortion. Leaving all the radical examples aside because neither you, Bill or I are radicals; help me to understand this viewpoint. I'll use myself as an example without rambling. I truly believe that life begins at conception and an abortion ends that life (please note that I am not referring to anyone's culpability here and do not believe those who have had an abortion are evil.). Since I believe as I do, I cannot bring myself to support legalized abortion because the act in and of itself is murder. My beliefs here are not uncommon and are held by millions, if not billions of people. Saying pro-choce = pro-abortion puts you in the category of a religious zealot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #129 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote When you look in the mirror, do you see a doctor-killer? After all, pro-lifers often target (and sometimes murder) doctors. And you are one of them. OMG you dont think about things to much do you Kallend? Some very small % of pro-lifers want to kill docs. but your ignorant statement is sooooo far out there ok Amazon??? You know i heard Manson liked water and im sure you do to , does that make you crazy?? Never mind dont answer the last question i think i know the answer I didnt realize you could be like wack job left....... I want my 15 seconds back. You know how to fix that??? The same way i quit wasting my time reading your post.... if you posted it i skip itNothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #130 September 2, 2008 Are you sure that mash does not have some methanol in it?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #131 September 2, 2008 Quote Who cares? Is the girl running for VP - because I thought it was her mom. Why would the girls predicament have any bearing on the parent... Not like she made he pregnant. Yet another American politics Red Herring Hey, I was personally gladdened when she got named to run... now I'm pretty disgusted. The reason it becomes a viable discussion point? Republicans like to talk a lot about Christian morality, right? Waiting until marriage for sex, etc.? And here she has an underage daughter sneaking around making babies and she evidently failed to raise her own child with her values. What's that say about either her values or her daughter's obedience or how in-touch with her daughter she is, or how good a parent she is?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #132 September 2, 2008 QuoteQuotePro-lifers do not 'often' target doctors for murder. That is an exaggeration. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's no more of an exaggeration than claiming pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion. You obviously didn't read or chose to ignore my reply to Shotgun just above your post. If you're going to jump into a conversation and make comments, it's best if you educate yourself as to what is happening in the conversation. To bring you up to speed, I am asking for an explanation as to what the difference is between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Apparently Gawain is asking also. I don't use drugs, think they're pathetic, but I am for the legalization of them. Sounds contradictory? It's not. I think drugs degrade people, but that illegalizing them creates crime, just as with alcohol prohibition, so I wish the gov would make all drugs legal even tho I hate them. Understand? I know in church they teach this black/white nonsense, but that is such finite thinking I feel bad for those subject to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #133 September 2, 2008 What ever it is it's good, you dont question the chefs recipe.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #134 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Ok Kallend/billvon, you are correct because it is imposiable to prove your ignorant statment is wrong since none of us are her. Its good to see you (Amazon) have finally figured out how to win all arguments no matter what. Good job Andy908 You are all the same. Yes I admit it.. we are all the same......educated. I will admit it you all can spell and know grammer pretty good, now if only books could make you smart you all would be in luck Yea really, book learnin is waaaaaaaaaaaay overrated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #135 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote So you think McCain is going to die in office then? Sorry no, that is not what I meant. (sorry if my post was confusing) I do think though that because of his age he will only run one time. That sets her up to be the next Rep. canidate. Her conservative views will make her very popular. So, the left is taking her on now. You mean, she's going to get the same treatment Hillary got from the right? Hey, if Palin ends up being hypocritical enough, if her morals end up being questionable enough, she might end up having Obama trade Biden for her. All she needs to do is publicly counsel her daughter that an abortion is the only right choice. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #136 September 2, 2008 Quote I think abortions indicate a gross amount of irresponsibility, other than abortions to save the mother's life. Hope you're not lumping victims of rape or incest into the into the "grossly irresponsible" category. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #137 September 2, 2008 Quote You never cease to amaze me Mr Scarecrow. His posts are like that roadside fatality that you consciously don't want to look at, but can't help yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #138 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Who cares? Is the girl running for VP - because I thought it was her mom. Why would the girls predicament have any bearing on the parent... Not like she made he pregnant. Yet another American politics Red Herring Hey, I was personally gladdened when she got named to run... now I'm pretty disgusted. The reason it becomes a viable discussion point? Republicans like to talk a lot about Christian morality, right? Waiting until marriage for sex, etc.? And here she has an underage daughter sneaking around making babies and she evidently failed to raise her own child with her values. What's that say about either her values or her daughter's obedience or how in-touch with her daughter she is, or how good a parent she is? You cant control everything your children do. They will eventually do what they want. All you can do is show them the way and hope they figure out the rest. File it under shit happens!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #139 September 2, 2008 QuoteThe reason it becomes a viable discussion point? Republicans like to talk a lot about Christian morality, right? Waiting until marriage for sex, etc.? And here she has an underage daughter sneaking around making babies and she evidently failed to raise her own child with her values. What's that say about either her values or her daughter's obedience or how in-touch with her daughter she is, or how good a parent she is? Did you see the movie called Charlie Wilsons War??? Think the preachers daughter..... Like so many children raised in repressive evangelical christian households.... she reminds me of SEVERAL preachers kids I knew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #140 September 2, 2008 Quote I don't use drugs, think they're pathetic, but I am for the legalization of them. Sounds contradictory? It's not. I think drugs degrade people, but that illegalizing them creates crime, just as with alcohol prohibition, so I wish the gov would make all drugs legal even tho I hate them. Wow, that is just how I feel! Next thing you know, you and I are gonna be kindred spirits, sort of like happened with me and Amazon. Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #141 September 2, 2008 Quote>now if only books could make you smart you all would be in luck Yep. Fools around the world have this misconception that books and education can make you smarter. Look at all the people who waste their lives going to school, reading and writing books, inventing useless stuff, researching drugs with gay names and discovering planets and whatnot that no one will ever visit. Doesn't help them figure out who will win the Redskins game, now does it? Doesn't get them an extra case of Bud Light, or a bigger couch, or a 42" plasma screen TV, does it? Thought not. Morons. How many of them smarty-pants college boys have a double-wide? I didn't think so....... point in case (intentional reversal) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #142 September 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteThe reason it becomes a viable discussion point? Republicans like to talk a lot about Christian morality, right? Waiting until marriage for sex, etc.? And here she has an underage daughter sneaking around making babies and she evidently failed to raise her own child with her values. What's that say about either her values or her daughter's obedience or how in-touch with her daughter she is, or how good a parent she is? Did you see the movie called Charlie Wilsons War??? Think the preachers daughter..... Like so many children raised in repressive evangelical christian households.... she reminds me of SEVERAL preachers kids I knew. I haven't seen it, but my dad recommended it highly and I will get it when the library gets it. She reminds you of "several" preachers' kids? How about "99% of preachers' kids"?! And yet, the preachers have never realized what their effect on their own kids has been, all this time.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #143 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote life: When the sperm penetrates the egg. So the sperm are not alive before they get to the egg??? I realize that every sperm is sacred.. so all you guys do not respect life... all those billions of poor sperms...... in sheets.. on walls.....on the ground... The PH of a vagina is slightly acidic to kill bacteria, which inadvertently kills millions sperm, prohibiting pregnancy..... so you female types have a human killing machine right before your human birthing machine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #144 September 2, 2008 Quote I don't use drugs, think they're pathetic, but I am for the legalization of them. Sounds contradictory? It's not. I think drugs degrade people, but that illegalizing them creates crime, just as with alcohol prohibition, so I wish the gov would make all drugs legal even tho I hate them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow, that is just how I feel! Next thing you know, you and I are gonna be kindred spirits, sort of like happened with me and Amazon. I know.. its some kinda wierd....personally I dont do drugs.. but I also think they should be undemonized.. and TAXED. IT would put a lot of crime syndicates out of business overnight. It would also help the reduce the deficit a LOT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #145 September 2, 2008 QuoteHow many of them smarty-pants college boys have a double-wide? I didn't think so....... point in case (intentional reversal) Jokes work better when you first give them a chance to be appreciated without including an explanation.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #146 September 2, 2008 Quote I know.. its some kinda wierd....personally I dont do drugs.. but I also think they should be undemonized.. and TAXED. IT would put a lot of crime syndicates out of business overnight. It would also help the reduce the deficit a LOT. I still have to wonder whether it's reasonable to expect all the people who were willing to engage in the drugs black market, including murdering people, if suddenly their "industry" was dissolved overnight. They're not exactly likely to just shrug, and go out and get jobs... So, what will they be doing?Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdlike 0 #147 September 2, 2008 Quote The PH of a vagina is slightly acidic to kill bacteria, which inadvertently kills millions sperm, prohibiting pregnancy..... so you female types have a human killing machine right before your human birthing machine "Prohibiting" pregnancy? Maybe "inhibiting fertilization," but certain not what you said.Spirits fly on dangerous missions Imaginations on fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #148 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Quote In all seriousness, McCain has got to come clean on whether he knew or not beforehand. It's just not going to fly that he knew about it but just never mentioned it till now. My guess is that Sarah Palin herself didn't know about it until after she was selected as VP. Any way you slice it, it's a terrible situation for the GOP. Rather than put to rest the other pregnancy, it adds fuel to it. Totally agree, and with her hard right evangelical stance, it was a big fuck up - no way he would have chosen her if he knew,.... Why do you think that? McCain is against a woman's right to control her own body, against funding sex education, and when asked if he thought condoms helped prevent the spread of AIDS, he replied "You've stumped me". Palin: The AK gubernatorial candidates were pressed on their stances on abortion and were even asked what they would do if their own daughters were raped and became pregnant. Palin said she would support abortion only if the mother's life was in danger. She said, "I would choose life." (November 2006). Translated, the only choice Palin supports is a rapist's right to choose the mother of his child. Birds of a feather, IMO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Translated, the only choice Palin supports is a rapist's right to choose the mother of his child. So how is visitation established then? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why do you think that? McCain is against a woman's right to control her own body, against funding sex education, and when asked if he thought condoms helped prevent the spread of AIDS, he replied "You've stumped me". I'm just saying that this selection was a fuck up, if they did their homework they should have known. Gov Palin had to know, but didn't think she would be selected as VP runner, so when asked she immediatley accepted, then had to break it to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #149 September 2, 2008 Quote Quote Translated, the only choice Palin supports is a rapist's right to choose the mother of his child. Quote Live by the media smear...get busted by the media smear. IT just keep getting better and better. Quote All you can do is to educate and monitor, suppression of intelligence, education is purely pathetic, AKA the Republican Party. I guess any semblance of an intelligent discussion is now gone. Thanks to you three for chiming in. >>>>>>>>>>>>All you can do is to educate and monitor, suppression of intelligence, education is purely pathetic, AKA the Republican Party. That's not intelligent? What's that I hear....... hey, Joh Deere is PM ing you, better get it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #150 September 2, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWow, you, Billvon and Amazon are really having problems with reading comprehension today. Being Pro-Choice is pro-abortion, no matter how hard you try to make a distinction to quiet your consciences. The statement "I would never choose abortion myself but I would never stop anyone else from having one." is the same logic as "I would never steal, but I would never stop anyone else who chooses to steal." It's guilt by omission. Ridiculous. I'm anti-abortion, but pro-choice. I think abortions indicate a gross amount of irresponsibility, other than abortions to save the mother's life. But the key is, do we legislate the right to have an abortion or legislate the prohibition of same? We know what attempting to prohibit anything ends up doing: costing us a lot of money to fail to prevent what we are trying to prevent. It looks like in cases like these, those who will do whatever is prohibited regardless of its illegal status have us kind of cornered. Agree with the 1st sentence, the 2nd? What is prohibited in this case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
