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You never cease to amaze me Mr Scarecrow.
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QuoteCan you even define those terms; "life" and "conception"?
I will answer this question in deference to you. Like Shotgun said, this thread is not an abortion debate, so I will leave it there.
conception: When the sperm penetrates the egg.
life: When the sperm penetrates the egg.
So . . . life happens before the DNA exists to create it?
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Now if you want me to define the different states of life, forget about it. That would be more complex than my master's thesis.
I'd like to read that thesis none the less. Was this a scientific paper or a philosophical one?
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Oh, and BTW, I just looked at the dictionary on Yahoo Reference, and their definition of pro-abortion is pretty much the same as their definition of pro-choice: "Favoring or supporting legalized abortion."
So, according to that definition, you would be right that they are the same thing. But I don't agree with the definition. To me, "pro-abortion" seems to imply someone who advocates having abortions as if it's often the best thing to do. I think it's a word that came about from pro-lifers to make pro-choicers seem like they think abortion is a great thing to do, which is usually not the case.
And to sort of get back on topic, I hate to hear of 17-year-old girls getting pregnant, but I admire Bristol for choosing to keep the baby. And it sounds like she will have a very supportive family to help her raise the child.
So, according to that definition, you would be right that they are the same thing. But I don't agree with the definition. To me, "pro-abortion" seems to imply someone who advocates having abortions as if it's often the best thing to do. I think it's a word that came about from pro-lifers to make pro-choicers seem like they think abortion is a great thing to do, which is usually not the case.
And to sort of get back on topic, I hate to hear of 17-year-old girls getting pregnant, but I admire Bristol for choosing to keep the baby. And it sounds like she will have a very supportive family to help her raise the child.
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>now if only books could make you smart you all would be in luck
Yep. Fools around the world have this misconception that books and education can make you smarter. Look at all the people who waste their lives going to school, reading and writing books, inventing useless stuff, researching drugs with gay names and discovering planets and whatnot that no one will ever visit. Doesn't help them figure out who will win the Redskins game, now does it? Doesn't get them an extra case of Bud Light, or a bigger couch, or a 42" plasma screen TV, does it?
Thought not. Morons.
Yep. Fools around the world have this misconception that books and education can make you smarter. Look at all the people who waste their lives going to school, reading and writing books, inventing useless stuff, researching drugs with gay names and discovering planets and whatnot that no one will ever visit. Doesn't help them figure out who will win the Redskins game, now does it? Doesn't get them an extra case of Bud Light, or a bigger couch, or a 42" plasma screen TV, does it?
Thought not. Morons.
Amazon 7
Quotelife: When the sperm penetrates the egg.
So the sperm are not alive before they get to the egg???
I realize that every sperm is sacred.. so all you guys do not respect life... all those billions of poor sperms...... in sheets.. on walls.....on the ground...
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QuoteTo me, "pro-abortion" seems to imply someone who advocates having abortions as if it's often the best thing to do. I think it's a word that came about from pro-lifers to make pro-choicers seem like they think abortion is a great thing to do, which is usually not the case.
To me its the people who choose to abort a female fetus.. so that they can try again since male life is far more valued than female life in some places.
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QuoteTo me, "pro-abortion" seems to imply someone who advocates having abortions as if it's often the best thing to do. I think it's a word that came about from pro-lifers to make pro-choicers seem like they think abortion is a great thing to do, which is usually not the case.
Language is important. If a side can frame the language to their advantage, they have a much better chance of "winning."
The trick then, for the third parties, is to understand the topics involved well enough to know when others are trying to manipulate them through language.
This is one of the reasons "1984" should be required reading in school.
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And to sort of get back on topic, I hate to hear of 17-year-old girls getting pregnant, but I admire Bristol for choosing to keep the baby. And it sounds like she will have a very supportive family to help her raise the child.
Actually, as the thread-starter, I don't think that is the main topic. The most important issue brought up by this thread is not the pregnancy nor is it the views of Sarah Palin on birth control. It is the fact that McCain, on his first major decision as a potential president, did a botched job when it came to vetting this candidate. Apparently, they are insisting they knew this all along but, if so, how could they possibly be okay with it coming out the way it did? There's no way they knew about this beforehand and the sooner they are honest about that the better it will be.
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QuoteI think it's a word that came about from pro-lifers to make pro-choicers seem like they think abortion is a great thing to do, which is usually not the case.
Or perhaps it came from pro-lifers like me who honestly did not know there was a difference.
Thank you for your honesty in your reply. It's a breath of fresh air to have a honest discussion in SC.
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billvon 3,116
>There's no way they knew about this beforehand and the sooner they are
>honest about that the better it will be.
Does it really matter? He has a tendency to be a "maverick" and make precipitous decisions; I think people already know this about McCain. This really isn't anything new.
>honest about that the better it will be.
Does it really matter? He has a tendency to be a "maverick" and make precipitous decisions; I think people already know this about McCain. This really isn't anything new.
QuoteYou never cease to amaze me Mr Scarecrow.
As long as your amazed
Ms LiberalNothing opens like a Deere!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
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QuoteYep. Fools around the world have this misconception that books and education can make you smarter. Look at all the people who waste their lives going to school, reading and writing books, inventing useless stuff, researching drugs with gay names and discovering planets and whatnot that no one will ever visit. Doesn't help them figure out who will win the Redskins game, now does it? Doesn't get them an extra case of Bud Light, or a bigger couch, or a 42" plasma screen TV, does it?
Thought not. Morons.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
After reading that, I couldn't help but think of my favorite scene from Trailerpark Boys:
Ricky: The thing with me is that I AM smart and I’m smelf, I’m self smarted, basically, by myself, basically from nature and smoking drugs and doing different things I’ve self… s… like self learned myself. And that’s the whole difference I guess is that I don’t need the books or the schooling type things. I just get everything on my own and because of that I’m alive right now. I mean if I had read more books or tried to go on to collage and different things like that I’d be dead right now because people say books and collage are for to be make you smarter, but they can also be for to be make you dead, which is what could have happened to me. My brain doesn’t use enough oxygen because I don’t have the whole thing filled with different stuff and if it was full, it’s only part full, and that’s why I’m alive right now. The guards are giving me here, you know, read this book, try to get smarter but I’m like, alright, I’ll pretend to read it but I’m not going to really read it cause my brain will be more full and if I have another heart attack I’m going to die... I just wanna get out of here now and spend time with Lucy and Trinity and get my family going again. Basically that’s all that matters to me. They come to visit me a couple times in jail for the first time ever which is awesome, Lucy seems to be really digging me and looking really good and I just wanna get out of here and see them, exercise a bit, maybe eat better and try to quit smoking. I’m going to quit smoking cigarettes first, and then, you know, work off the dope or whatever eventually, although I don’t know.
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"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC
Quote>now if only books could make you smart you all would be in luck
Yep. Fools around the world have this misconception that books and education can make you smarter. Look at all the people who waste their lives going to school, reading and writing books, inventing useless stuff, researching drugs with gay names and discovering planets and whatnot that no one will ever visit. Doesn't help them figure out who will win the Redskins game, now does it? Doesn't get them an extra case of Bud Light, or a bigger couch, or a 42" plasma screen TV, does it?
Thought not. Morons.
Actually the fools are the ones that think you HAVE to goto college to be smart.
Nothing opens like a Deere!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!
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QuoteQuoteYou never cease to amaze me Mr Scarecrow.
As long as your amazedMs Liberal
All right you two . . . enough of the name calling.
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QuoteQuote>now if only books could make you smart you all would be in luck
Yep. Fools around the world have this misconception that books and education can make you smarter. Look at all the people who waste their lives going to school, reading and writing books, inventing useless stuff, researching drugs with gay names and discovering planets and whatnot that no one will ever visit. Doesn't help them figure out who will win the Redskins game, now does it? Doesn't get them an extra case of Bud Light, or a bigger couch, or a 42" plasma screen TV, does it?
Thought not. Morons.
Actually the fools are the ones that think you HAVE to goto college to be smart.
And you don't have to go to the gym to be strong . . . but it helps.
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billvon 3,116
>Actually the fools are the ones that think you HAVE to goto college to be smart.
Exactly. College is for arrogant pansy-ass elitists who think that just because they understand calculus, protein synthesis and Maxwell's Equations they're smarter than people who watch the Redskins! Next thing you know, those elitists will be claiming that the ability to speak and write English means something. I mean, as long as you can communicate in grunts and put an X on a line instead of a signature, you're as smart as anyone - and don't let them tell you anything different!
Exactly. College is for arrogant pansy-ass elitists who think that just because they understand calculus, protein synthesis and Maxwell's Equations they're smarter than people who watch the Redskins! Next thing you know, those elitists will be claiming that the ability to speak and write English means something. I mean, as long as you can communicate in grunts and put an X on a line instead of a signature, you're as smart as anyone - and don't let them tell you anything different!
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QuoteI have to ask then, what's the difference between Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?
Pro-choice is acknowledging that a person's body is that person's own, and should a female conceive, the government should not be able to dictate to her that she must have the baby, that she cannot terminate the pregnancy. Pro-choice favors having options. The relative value of those options might vary from individual to individual, but those values are decided on by the individual, not the government.
Pro-abortion is favoring abortion in the event of unexpected pregnancy, as a default strategy.
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QuoteIt is the fact that McCain, on his first major decision as a potential president, did a botched job when it came to vetting this candidate.
I wouldn't call that a "fact." I don't really see any reason to think that McCain didn't know about the pregnancy. I don't think it's something that will hurt his campaign, so I don't think it would have kept him from picking her as his VP. Actually, it probably helps to ensure the votes of pro-life Christians, which I assume is one of the main groups he was trying to woo by choosing her.
QuoteApparently, they are insisting they knew this all along but, if so, how could they possibly be okay with it coming out the way it did?
How else would it have come out? Do you think they should have just announced it as soon as they announced who the VP candidate was? It's something that really shouldn't be anyone else's business anyway, but they're probably announcing it now since it's going to come out one way or another. (Politics being nasty and all.)
Shotgun 1
QuoteThank you for your honesty in your reply. It's a breath of fresh air to have a honest discussion in SC.
Yes it is, and you're welcome.
Now stop being nice or you're going to piss off the people who come to SC just to find something to get pissed off about.
Amazon 7
Aw come on Paul.. he keeps calling me a liberal.. I mean.. you are a liberal.. but me?????
Sheesh.. the PA's that you guys allow some people.....never cease to amaze me
It's good to see her preaching abstinence works at home. Clearly that platform is her strong point. Maybe if she choose to teach about contraception she wouldn't be forcing her daughter into a marriage just so the conservatives stay happy.
Also, it looks like he didn't vet Palin and it was a maverick rash move to pick her because of the power play with Rove:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/why-palin-mccain-v-rove_b_122841.html
Also, it looks like he didn't vet Palin and it was a maverick rash move to pick her because of the power play with Rove:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/why-palin-mccain-v-rove_b_122841.html
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you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me....
I WILL fly again.....
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