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And how would you know if this happened with Chelsea Clinton? The Clintons are all for abortion. Perhaps it did happen and they made their problem go away.

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Wow.. a whole new spin on Clinton Did it First....

Read the entire statement I quoted from another poster. That poster brought Chelsea Clinton into it. I just questioned how that person or any of us would know whether Chelsea was ever in this situation. You're the one spinning now.

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And just like they suggested...you are doing EXACTLy as other moralists would have done...Dont spin too hard to the right there Chris.... spinning that much can get you really dizzy

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>The Clintons are all for abortion. Perhaps it did happen and they made
>their problem go away.

And perhaps it already happened with the Palins as well. As we have seen, being a pro-life republican politician can mean you want to make abortion for everyone _else_ illegal, but still want the option yourself.

In any case it's a stupid hypothetical. Heck, Sarah Palin might have had three additional kids and sacrificed them all to a pagan god. You can't prove she didn't!

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Sarah Palin might have had three additional kids and sacrificed them all to a pagan god. You can't prove she didn't!

Ok Kallend/billvon, you are correct because it is imposiable to prove your ignorant statment is wrong since none of us are her. Its good to see you (Amazon) have finally figured out how to win all arguments no matter what. Good job Andy908 You are all the same.

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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And how would you know if this happened with Chelsea Clinton? The Clintons are all for abortion.

what a load of vicious right-wing insinuation and propaganda

pro-choice is not the same as "for abortion"

I am pro-choice but would have never pushed for abortion if our child had been disabled or conceived out of wed lock or whatever. I am certainly not "for abortion".

Just because I think it wrong for the government to intrude into the integrity of a woman's body and that a dumb-ass criminalization approach is unlikely to reduce abortions but very likely to make the problem a lot worse does not make me nonchalant with human life.

This equation is pretty insulting to a large majority of pro-choice people.

Cheers, T

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>Ok Kallend/billvon, you are correct because it is imposiable to prove
>your ignorant statment is wrong since none of us are her.

As another point goes sailing over JohnDeere's head.

Yes, that example was as absurd as Muenkel's. It was an analogy.

>You are all the same.

Unless you have an R after your name. Then your ignorant statements are, apparently, dead on.

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And how would you know if this happened with Chelsea Clinton? The Clintons are all for abortion.

what a load of vicious right-wing insinuation and propaganda

pro-choice is not the same as "for abortion"

I am pro-choice but would have never pushed for abortion if our child had been disabled or conceived out of wed lock or whatever. I am certainly not "for abortion".

Just because I think it wrong for the government to intrude into the integrity of a woman's body and that a dumb-ass criminalization approach is unlikely to reduce abortions but very likely to make the problem a lot worse does not make me nonchalant with human life.

This equation is pretty insulting to a large majority of pro-choice people.

Cheers, T

It's quite deliberate, of course. An attempt to mislead those who are too lazy to pay attention.

Pro-choice means the GOVERNMENT has no business interfering in what is a very personal decision. The woman can choose to deliver the baby.

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Sarah Palin might have had three additional kids and sacrificed them all to a pagan god. You can't prove she didn't!

Ok Kallend/billvon, you are correct because it is imposiable to prove your ignorant statment is wrong since none of us are her. Its good to see you (Amazon) have finally figured out how to win all arguments no matter what. Good job Andy908 You are all the same.

Don't forget about the giant Spaghetti Monster God too...your post cracked me up.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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>Ok Kallend/billvon, you are correct because it is imposiable to prove
>your ignorant statment is wrong since none of us are her.

As another point goes sailing over JohnDeere's head.

I heard the whoooshing noise all the way up here in Illinois.

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Wow, you, Billvon and Amazon are really having problems with reading comprehension today. Being Pro-Choice is pro-abortion, no matter how hard you try to make a distinction to quiet your consciences. The statement "I would never choose abortion myself but I would never stop anyone else from having one." is the same logic as "I would never steal, but I would never stop anyone else who chooses to steal." It's guilt by omission.

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>Being Pro-Choice is pro-abortion . . .

I am pro-choice and not pro-abortion, so your statement is false (and has little to do with the topic anyway.)

>The statement "I would never choose abortion myself but I would never stop
>anyone else from having one." is the same logic as "I would never steal, but I
>would never stop anyone else who chooses to steal."

Nope, since stealing is a crime and abortion is not.

A better example is "I would never drink alcohol but I would not stop someone else who chooses to do so." Is such a person "guilty" of something?

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I am pro-choice

You also claim to be Catholic. Before you call out someone on their credibility, look in the mirror.

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>You also claim to be Catholic. Before you call out someone on their credibility,
>look in the mirror.

When you look in the mirror, do you see a doctor-killer? After all, pro-lifers often target (and sometimes murder) doctors. And you are one of them.

Or can you support an idea (abolition of abortion) and not support how other people misuse that idea (murder?)

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Being Pro-Choice is pro-abortion . . .

Right. Because we see all of those pro-choice people marching around OB-GYN clinics, trying to get pregnant women to abort their babies.

And if the Clintons were pro-abortion, then I really wouldn't expect them to have any children, ya know? But they're not; they're pro-choice. There is a difference.

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>You also claim to be Catholic. Before you call out someone on their credibility,
>look in the mirror.

When you look in the mirror, do you see a doctor-killer? After all, pro-lifers often target (and sometimes murder) doctors. And you are one of them.

Or can you support an idea (abolition of abortion) and not support how other people misuse that idea (murder?)

First, I want to say that my above statement was uncalled for and a low blow. I apologize sincerely for that. I'm going to delete it, but since it is quoted, it's out there.

Pro-lifers do not 'often' target doctors for murder. That is an exaggeration. The ones that do are radical in their thinking and are criminals. So yes, I absolutely support the abolition of abortion and do not support those that misuse it and commit murder.

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When you look in the mirror, do you see a doctor-killer? After all, pro-lifers often target (and sometimes murder) doctors. And you are one of them.

OMG you dont think about things to much do you Kallend? Some very small % of pro-lifers want to kill docs. but your ignorant statement is sooooo far out there ok Amazon??? You know i heard Manson liked water and im sure you do to , does that make you crazy?? Never mind dont answer the last question i think i know the answer I didnt realize you could be like wack job left.......

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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>OMG you dont think about things to much do you Kallend?

Dude, you're having the wrong conversation with the wrong person. Please think a bit more before hitting POST.

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OK, I let my emotions get the best of me and said something to Bill that I completely regret and am sorry for. I truly do not think that way.

I'm back on track now. To be honest, I do not understand the difference between being pro-choice and against abortion. Leaving all the radical examples aside because neither you, Bill or I are radicals; help me to understand this viewpoint.

I'll use myself as an example without rambling. I truly believe that life begins at conception and an abortion ends that life (please note that I am not referring to anyone's culpability here and do not believe those who have had an abortion are evil.). Since I believe as I do, I cannot bring myself to support legalized abortion because the act in and of itself is murder. My beliefs here are not uncommon and are held by millions, if not billions of people.

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>Pro-lifers do not 'often' target doctors for murder. That is an exaggeration.
>The ones that do are radical in their thinking and are criminals.

I agree! Further, I'd suggest that 99.99% of pro-lifers do not support murder of any form - even if they might support preventing a doctor from doing his job in other ways.

Likewise, I am against abortion. I think that it is the worst possible solution to a common problem. I also think that I am not better at making that decision than a couple and their doctor.

Again, it's like many of my other beliefs. I do not think people should become addicted to drugs or alcohol - but I also think that using them should be their choice. That does not mean that I am "guilty" if a friend of mine decides to do lots of coke and destroy his life. I will try to talk him out of it, and get him into counseling, and point out where his road will lead him - but in the end it's up to him to make the decision.

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Pro-lifers do not 'often' target doctors for murder. That is an exaggeration.

It's no more of an exaggeration than claiming pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion.

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Pro-lifers do not 'often' target doctors for murder. That is an exaggeration.

It's no more of an exaggeration than claiming pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion.

I have to ask then, what's the difference between Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Ok Kallend/billvon, you are correct because it is imposiable to prove your ignorant statment is wrong since none of us are her. Its good to see you (Amazon) have finally figured out how to win all arguments no matter what. Good job Andy908 You are all the same.

Yes I admit it.. we are all the same......educated.

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Likewise, I am against abortion. I think that it is the worst possible solution to a common problem. I also think that I am not better at making that decision than a couple and their doctor.

This is a very logical statement and for the first time, I understand where you are coming from on this issue.

I guess the difference in the way you and I view this issue is that I see abortion as a conscious decision to end a life and therefore support laws to prohibit it. I think (correct me if I am wrong) that you don't veiw abortion as ending a life but perhaps a potential life.

BTW: Do you accept my apology for my earlier statement to you?

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>I think (correct me if I am wrong) that you don't veiw abortion as ending a
>life but perhaps a potential life.

Yep. It is no more of a crime than using an IUD as birth control, in my opinion. It is still a very bad idea.

> Do you accept my apology for my earlier statement to you?

Yes, don't worry about it. We all get a little hot under the collar sometimes.

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It's no more of an exaggeration than claiming pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion.

You obviously didn't read or chose to ignore my reply to Shotgun just above your post. If you're going to jump into a conversation and make comments, it's best if you educate yourself as to what is happening in the conversation.

To bring you up to speed, I am asking for an explanation as to what the difference is between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Apparently Gawain is asking also.

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