Amazon 7 #26 September 1, 2008 QuoteWho cares? Is the girl running for VP - because I thought it was her mom. Why would the girls predicament have any bearing on the parent... Not like she made he pregnant. It certainly points to mommies parenting skills and how she has been raised.. ESPECIALLY condsidering her stances and how much she and others of her ilk like to push their bullshit into other peoples personal lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #27 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteNow Hubby also has an Abstinence Problem QuoteSorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here. Try this. Bottom line: This VP choice was not properly vetted. Rightly or wrongly, that will not reflect well on McCain's judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #28 September 1, 2008 It was in fucking 1984. I'm not a supporter of the Republicans, but the shit going on in this thread is lame. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #29 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteNow Hubby also has an Abstinence Problem QuoteSorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here. Maybe he was thinking of this. Following the Bush model.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #30 September 1, 2008 Quote It was in fucking 1984. I'm not a supporter of the Republicans, but the shit going on in this thread is lame. Really. I think opposing sex ed in schools and pushing abstinence instead show extremely POOR judgment, ignorance of human nature, and is highly relevant to the evaluation of someone wanting to be VP of the USA. And have you forgotten that we are suffering the 8th year of a president with poor judgment, and his DWI arrest years prior could have been taken as a warning indicator of that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #31 September 1, 2008 Quote I think opposing sex ed in schools and pushing abstinence instead show extremely POOR judgment, Because sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's?You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #32 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuote I think opposing sex ed in schools and pushing abstinence instead show extremely POOR judgment, Because sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's? Promoting ignorance has never solved any problem.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #33 September 1, 2008 Quote Because sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's? Promoting ignorance has never solved any problem. Non answer-try again. Because sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's? The ability to effectively debate does not make a position valid.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #34 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteWho cares? Is the girl running for VP - because I thought it was her mom. Why would the girls predicament have any bearing on the parent... Not like she made he pregnant. It certainly points to mommies parenting skills and how she has been raised.. ESPECIALLY condsidering her stances and how much she and others of her ilk like to push their bullshit into other peoples personal lives. No I don't think that it does point to mom's parent skills... The kids at that age are more prone to peer pressure than parent pressure. Plenty of kid "get them selves into trouble" from all sorts of back grounds. From what I've seen, I don't like Mummy Palin's extremist politics, but using the kid is just plain wrong IMHO (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #35 September 1, 2008 QuoteBecause sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's? Yes, comprehensive sex education has done that. Based On the Research, Comprehensive Sex Education Is More Effective At Stopping the Spread of HIV Infection: Research Shows That Abstinence-Only Programs Have Limited Effectiveness And Unintended Consequences Comprehensive Sex Education Is Effective Research has identified highly effective sex education and HIV prevention programs that affect multiple behaviors and/or achieve positive health impacts. Behavioral outcomes have included delaying the initiation of sex as well as reducing the frequency of sex, the number of new partners, and the incidence of unprotected sex, and/or increasing the use of condoms and contraception among sexually active participants.[4,5,6,7] Long-term impacts have included lower STI and/or pregnancy rates. [4,5,6,7] Evaluations of comprehensive sex education and HIV/ STI prevention programs show that they do not increase rates of sexual initiation, do not lower the age at which youth initiate sex, and do not increase the frequency of sex or the number of sex partners among sexually active youth.[4,5,6,7,14,15] Between 1991 and 2004, the U.S. teen birth rate fell from 62 to 41 per 1,000 female teens.[16,17] Some experts attribute 75 percent of the decline to increased contraceptive use and 25 percent to delayed initiation of sex.[18] Others credit increased contraceptive use and delayed initiation of sex about equally.[19] Regardless, contraceptive use has been critical to reducing teenage pregnancy. [References] Sex Education Linked To Delayed Teen Intercourse “Male teens who received sex education in school were 71 percent less likely — and similarly educated female teens were 59 percent less likely — to have sexual intercourse before age 15. Males who attended school, meanwhile, were 2.77 times more likely to rely upon birth control the first time they had intercourse if they had been in sex-education classes.” It is correct that abstinence-only education has had less than desired or advertised results: “A robust systematic review finds no evidence that such programmes reduce risky sexual behaviours, incidence of sexually transmitted infections, or pregnancy.” VR/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #36 September 1, 2008 >Because sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing > teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's? Yes. ====================== Date: February 23, 2005 Contact: Pam Willenz Public Affairs Office (202) 336-5707 BASED ON THE RESEARCH, COMPREHENSIVE SEX EDUCATION IS MORE EFFECTIVE AT STOPPING THE SPREAD OF HIV INFECTION, SAYS APA COMMITTEE Research Shows That Abstinence-Only Programs Have Limited Effectiveness And Unintended Consequences WASHINGTON – It is estimated that more than half of all new HIV infections occur before the age of 25 and most are acquired through unprotected sexual intercourse. According to the experts on AIDS, many of these new infections occur because young people don’t have the knowledge or skills to protect themselves. To address this important health issue, the American Psychological Association (APA) is recommending that comprehensive and empirically supported sex education and HIV prevention programs become widely available to teach youth how to abstain from risky sexual behaviors and learn how they can protect themselves against HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases. Based on over 15 years of research, the evidence shows that comprehensive sexuality education programs for youth that encourage abstinence, promote appropriate condom use, and teach sexual communication skills reduce HIV-risk behavior and also delay the onset of sexual intercourse. ===================== Abstinence Only vs. Comprehensive Sex Education: Chris Collins, M.P.P. Priya Alagiri, J.D. Stephen F. Morin, Ph.D. AIDS Policy Research Center & Center for AIDS Prevention Studies AIDS Research Institute University of California, San Francisco Executive Summary Over the last several years, Congress has em- phasized funding abstinence-only programs over comprehensive sexuality education. President Bush and leaders in Congress have called for “parity” in funding between abstinence-only sex education and family planning, safe sex pro- grams. Congress increased funding for federal abstinence programs in fiscal year 2002, and has been asked by the President to increase it by another $33 million in fiscal year 2003. The abstinence-only approach to sex education is not supported by the extensive body of scien- tific research on what works to protect young people from HIV/AIDS, sexually transmitted in- fections (STIs), and unplanned pregnancy. An assessment of the peer-reviewed, published research reveals no evidence that abstinence- only programs delay sexual initiation or reduce STIs or pregnancy. By contrast, credible re- search clearly demonstrates that some compre- hensive sex education, or “abstinence-plus,” programs can achieve positive behavioral changes among young people and reduce STIs, and that these programs do not encourage young people to initiate sexual activity earlier or have more sexual partners. ============================ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #37 September 1, 2008 Obama Says Palin Pregnancy “Off Limits” by Bonney Kapp Barack Obama addressed a gaggle of reporters this afternoon to discuss the latest goings-on with Hurricane Gustav. After brief opening comments on the much-hyped, overly politicized hurricane, reporters were curious about one thing: 17-year-old Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, made public today. “I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics,” the Democrat said forcefully. “It has no relevance to Governor Palin’s performance as governor, or her potential performance as a VP. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he continued. The candidate who himself was born to a teenage mom, reminded reporters, “You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and you know teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off limits.” When asked about an “unnamed McCain advisor” accusing the Obama campaign of spreading despicable rumors surrounding Bristol Palin online, Obama interrupted the reporter mid-question. “I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us,” he said directly. “Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that it was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that - they’d be fired,” he added. With that, Obama boarded his airport-bound bus to head to Milwaukee for a rally. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #38 September 1, 2008 Quote No I don't think that it does point to mom's parent skills... The kids at that age are more prone to peer pressure than parent pressure. Plenty of kid "get them selves into trouble" from all sorts of back grounds. From what I've seen, I don't like Mummy Palin's extremist politics, but using the kid is just plain wrong IMHO Of course young adults are more prone to to peer pressure.. and to their sexual urges.. BUT when mommy holds extremist views about womens reproductive rights... I dont think its much of a stretch that her daughter did not get very much information that MIGHT have given her a little more information... on birth control... let alone any means. Abstinence is great to teach...but when its all you are taught.. STD's....AND......babies happen.. in the "best" of families Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #39 September 1, 2008 QuoteIn all seriousness, McCain has got to come clean on whether he knew or not beforehand. It's just not going to fly that he knew about it but just never mentioned it till now. My guess is that Sarah Palin herself didn't know about it until after she was selected as VP. Any way you slice it, it's a terrible situation for the GOP. Rather than put to rest the other pregnancy, it adds fuel to it. I disagree. It's only terrible for the GOP if they choose to make a stink about it themselves, and I don't think they will. Pregnant teenage daughters happen to parents all across the political spectrum. I see no reason why this would be a problem, it only humanizes the ticket. Lord knows, we've had enough President's kids smoking pot, boozing it up with fake ID's and heaven only knows what else. Reagan's daughter was a complete hellion, fucking every rock star she could wrap her legs around and it never really damaged him. The mother covering for the daughter should be easy enough to disprove. I think it's a disgusting rumor to start, regardless of politics. The only part I have any problem with is the decision to marry. I do know a couple or two who married that young and are still together after thirty years, but they're the rare exception. But I suppose that's their business. Anyway, I'm voting for Obama just the same. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #40 September 1, 2008 QuoteAnd if anyone says it's not fair to use her pregnant child for political purposes just think about the field day neocons would have had if Chelsie Clinton had done the same thing at 17! And how would you know if this happened with Chelsea Clinton? The Clintons are all for abortion. Perhaps it did happen and they made their problem go away. The Palin's are dealing with this, despite what the lefty nutjobs who want to destroy them think. They're dealing with this the courageous way and proving to America that when Sarah Palin says she does not believe abortion is OK, she means it. Shows character to me. Something to think about before anyone here takes the moral high ground on this issue. If you have had sexual intercourse as a teenager or while unmarried (whether it resulted in a pregnancy or not) you are no better or worse than Bristol Palin and her boyfriend. I suggest you drop your stones because many of you are looking really foolish right now. As for abstinence teaching, biologically speaking, practicing abstinence prevents pregnancies and STD's 100% of the time. Regarding Tim Palin's DWI 24 years ago is laughable that anyone here would judge that since this very site promotes and glorifies alcohol use constantly. Once again, drop your stones. Still looking extremely foolish. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #41 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuote Because sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's? Promoting ignorance has never solved any problem. Non answer-try again. Because sex education in schools has been so effective in reducing teen pregnancies and incidents of STD's? The ability to effectively debate does not make a position valid. Just because YOU don't like the answer doesn't make it a non-answer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #42 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteIn all seriousness, McCain has got to come clean on whether he knew or not beforehand. It's just not going to fly that he knew about it but just never mentioned it till now. My guess is that Sarah Palin herself didn't know about it until after she was selected as VP. Any way you slice it, it's a terrible situation for the GOP. Rather than put to rest the other pregnancy, it adds fuel to it. I disagree. It's only terrible for the GOP if they choose to make a stink about it themselves, and I don't think they will. Pregnant teenage daughters happen to parents all across the political spectrum. I think you misread my post. The problem is not the pregnancy per se, it's the fact that it caught McCain off guard and now they're stuck with the implausible claim that he knew about it all along. As with all things political, it's the cover-up that hurts the most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 September 1, 2008 Quote And how would you know if this happened with Chelsea Clinton? The Clintons are all for abortion. Perhaps it did happen and they made their problem go away. Wow.. a whole new spin on Clinton Did it First.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #44 September 1, 2008 QuoteObama Says Palin Pregnancy “Off Limits” by Bonney Kapp Barack Obama addressed a gaggle of reporters this afternoon to discuss the latest goings-on with Hurricane Gustav. After brief opening comments on the much-hyped, overly politicized hurricane, reporters were curious about one thing: 17-year-old Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, made public today. “I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics,” the Democrat said forcefully. “It has no relevance to Governor Palin’s performance as governor, or her potential performance as a VP. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories,” he continued. The candidate who himself was born to a teenage mom, reminded reporters, “You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and you know teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off limits.” When asked about an “unnamed McCain advisor” accusing the Obama campaign of spreading despicable rumors surrounding Bristol Palin online, Obama interrupted the reporter mid-question. “I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us,” he said directly. “Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that it was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that - they’d be fired,” he added. With that, Obama boarded his airport-bound bus to head to Milwaukee for a rally. Good for Obama. The MOTHER'S stated position on sex education (and its spectacular failure) is fair game, however, .... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #45 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteWho cares? Is the girl running for VP - because I thought it was her mom. Why would the girls predicament have any bearing on the parent... Not like she made he pregnant. It certainly points to mommies parenting skills and how she has been raised.. ESPECIALLY condsidering her stances and how much she and others of her ilk like to push their bullshit into other peoples personal lives. No I don't think that it does point to mom's parent skills... The kids at that age are more prone to peer pressure than parent pressure. Plenty of kid "get them selves into trouble" from all sorts of back grounds. From what I've seen, I don't like Mummy Palin's extremist politics, but using the kid is just plain wrong IMHO But part of her extremist politics is opposing sex education programs for teens. Pushing ignorance - I suggest that DOES reflect on her parenting skills.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #46 September 1, 2008 Quote Just because YOU don't like the answer doesn't make it a non-answer. negative- Nerdgirl=Answer Billvon=Answer Kallend=Unsupported statement, not answer. Ok my Devil's Advocate pot stirring in done-back to your regularly scheduled disagreementsYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #47 September 1, 2008 QuoteMcCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites. Why do they feel the need to use Palin's daughter's pregnancy to rebut some silly rumors that are floating around the Internet? If they wanted to announce the pregnancy, they should have just announced it. Instead, they've politicized the situation by saying that they're releasing the news as a rebuttal to the liberals. Anyhow, it doesn't affect my vote. And I'd disagree with her view on abstinence-only sex education whether her daughter was pregnant or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #48 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuote Just because YOU don't like the answer doesn't make it a non-answer. negative- Nerdgirl=Answer Billvon=Answer Kallend= "Promoting ignorance has never solved any problem" Ok my Devil's Advocate pot stirring in done-back to your regularly scheduled disagreements Perhaps you can point us to a situation where promoting ignorance solved a problem.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #49 September 1, 2008 "The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said. Last time I counted there were some 20 "despicable rumors" about Obama floating around the internet**, and I don't recall any outrage from the McCain camp about those. **www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #50 September 1, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo you think McCain is going to die in office then? Sorry no, that is not what I meant. (sorry if my post was confusing) I do think though that because of his age he will only run one time. That sets her up to be the next Rep. canidate. Her conservative views will make her very popular. So, the left is taking her on now. You mean, she's going to get the same treatment Hillary got from the right? Absoluttly. Did you expect anything differnt? The only differnce is the lefts attack will be more peronal and hypocritical. But I am glad to see you agree with me on the reasons for doing so."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
