To be honest, I'm not really concerned with the candidates' qualifications

[jenfly00 0]

Seriously.

The way I see it, the past eight years have been shit. Under the present administration, the very principles of this country have been violated. Our country has become one of robber barrons with war for profit and power.

It's time to restore the value of our constitution, stop making policy decisions for big corporations and oil speculators and be a better world neighbor.

I think McCain is a decent man and I have no problem with his VP choice, but it's time for a change. It's time to win back America.

So, I'm not nuts about Obama, but I will not lend my support to the party that so damaged my beautiful America.

It's hard to imagine anyone who values what this country once stood for lending their support to the party leading the past eight years.

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[MikeForsythe 0]

Then you are not for either party, right? I blame both the horrid Bush administration and the inept democratic controlled congress. To me, both parties are responsible and could have guided us in a better direction. Both parties promised “change” and both failed. If you want to get down to it, “political parties” did not damage America, people did.

I have been a lifelong registered democrat but as you get older sometimes you views change. I am not looking at which party will give me hope anymore, but which people will. “Change”, ah yes, the almighty hope……………..but is it? Change in and of its self is not always good. The question is what do we need to change, polices, people, parties or do we just need to start to use what is already there and not being used?

For me, this election comes down to trust, which person I trust with my children and grandchildren’s future. All the other issues are less important to me. Both candidates have slung the mud and made promises that cannot be kept (that is why they call them politicians).

The bottom line is I do not trust Obama, he scares the hell out of me. I don’t like McCain’s economics but he makes me feel safe at night when I am putting my granddaughter to bed. He has stood guard and protected our freedoms in the past and I trust that he will always do so. In this case I have to take wisdom and experience over youth and enthusiasm.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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Then you are not for either party, right? I blame both the horrid Bush administration and the inept democratic controlled congress.

Come on, dude. The thread was obviously made in a partisan way by a partisan. I doubt she's looking to be shown that she ought not to support the Democrats either; she already knows she will, and was trying to rationalize her dogged allegiance to a party that promised to fix America and then did nothing but make excuses and point fingers.

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The bottom line is I do not trust Obama, he scares the hell out of me. I don’t like McCain’s economics but he makes me feel safe at night when I am putting my granddaughter to bed.

Same here. Well, except for the granddaughter part. (Remember, I've spared you all the suffering of my procreation. )

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[jenfly00 0]

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Then you are not for either party, right? I blame both the horrid Bush administration and the inept democratic controlled congress. To me, both parties are responsible and could have guided us in a better direction. Both parties promised “change” and both failed. If you want to get down to it, “political parties” did not damage America, people did.

I have been a lifelong registered democrat but as you get older sometimes you views change. I am not looking at which party will give me hope anymore, but which people will. “Change”, ah yes, the almighty hope……………..but is it? Change in and of its self is not always good. The question is what do we need to change, polices, people, parties or do we just need to start to use what is already there and not being used?

For me, this election comes down to trust, which person I trust with my children and grandchildren’s future. All the other issues are less important to me. Both candidates have slung the mud and made promises that cannot be kept (that is why they call them politicians).

The bottom line is I do not trust Obama, he scares the hell out of me. I don’t like McCain’s economics but he makes me feel safe at night when I am putting my granddaughter to bed. He has stood guard and protected our freedoms in the past and I trust that he will always do so. In this case I have to take wisdom and experience over youth and enthusiasm.

So, you trade your country's honor for the illusion of safety.

If you are satisfied the directions our country has taken these past few years, McCain is the man for you.

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[MikeForsythe 0]

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So, you trade your country's honor for the illusion of safety. Your choice.

It has nothing to do with honor. The illusion would be on your part if you think that Obama can protect us more than McCain. But I would love to hear how you think he can do that.

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If you are satisfied the directions our country has taken these past few years, McCain is the man for you.

Well, since Obama and the democrats were in charge of congress and did nothing I guess the same can be said about Obama. Did you not read what I wrote?

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[SpeedRacer 1]

or vice versa.

why would one of these guys "protect" us better than the other?

anyway, quite frankly, I'm not all that scared of the terrorists.

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Then you are not for either party, right? I blame both the horrid Bush administration and the inept democratic controlled congress. To me, both parties are responsible and could have guided us in a better direction. Both parties promised “change” and both failed. If you want to get down to it, “political parties” did not damage America, people did.

I have been a lifelong registered democrat but as you get older sometimes you views change. I am not looking at which party will give me hope anymore, but which people will. “Change”, ah yes, the almighty hope……………..but is it? Change in and of its self is not always good. The question is what do we need to change, polices, people, parties or do we just need to start to use what is already there and not being used?

For me, this election comes down to trust, which person I trust with my children and grandchildren’s future. All the other issues are less important to me. Both candidates have slung the mud and made promises that cannot be kept (that is why they call them politicians).

The bottom line is I do not trust Obama, he scares the hell out of me. I don’t like McCain’s economics but he makes me feel safe at night when I am putting my granddaughter to bed. He has stood guard and protected our freedoms in the past and I trust that he will always do so. In this case I have to take wisdom and experience over youth and enthusiasm.

So, you trade your country's honor for the illusion of safety.

If you are satisfied the directions our country has taken these past few years, McCain is the man for you.

Sounds like you're willing to trade safety for the illusion of honor. It's not a black and white decision for me. We can have both.

If you aren't satisfied with the direction our country has taken these past few years I guess you should buy into the blue sky promises of Barack. I'll admit, he gives a great speech and is an engaging performer, but I need to hear the substance behind the fluff. Haven't heard it yet.

Statements like "You know, John McCain likes to say that he'll follow bin Laden to the gates of Hell, but he won't even follow him to the cave where he lives." mean nothing. It's pandering.

"I will -- listen now -- I will cut taxes -- cut taxes -- for 95 percent of all working families, because, in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle class." More pandering.

If you want to buy into it go right ahead. I have reservations.

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[billvon 3,111]

> The illusion would be on your part if you think that Obama can protect us more than McCain.

The bigger illusion is that a president protects us from terrorism. It is an excellent tool to use on a fearful populace, but far from true.

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I think McCain is a decent man and I have no problem with his VP choice, but it's time for a change. It's time to win back America.

What bothers me with Obama is that he basically promises everyone who asked everything, which makes me wonder if he's going to do anything at all.

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[Muenkel 0]

To all:

One of these 2 men are going to be our next president...warts and all. Another thing to consider is what type of congress will we have. Don't forget that congress' approval rating is lower than GWB's.

Pick the issues that are important to you and choose the candidate that best fits your criteria.

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Chris

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anyway, quite frankly, I'm not all that scared of the terrorists.

I'm glad you're at peace with that, however, they are a true danger to our national security.

I may be saying that because my sister's brother-in-law as well as my cousin's brother-in-law were both killed in the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks. Both men had three children and their wives were pregnant with their 4th. I witnessed first hand the human suffering endured that day at the hand of terrorists.

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[billvon 3,111]

>I may be saying that because my sister's brother-in-law as well as my
>cousin's brother-in-law were both killed in the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks.

A good friend of mine was recently killed in Iraq. Earlier, an old school friend was killed there. Another had a hole blown in his leg; a third one had his leg blown off.

So I have witnessed the suffering that an optional war can cause as well. I have no illusions that the suffering my friends went through 'counteracted' yours; indeed, it simply added to the misery. I pray we elect a president who does not add to it further.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I think Obama would be good for the USA on the international scene (far less people around the world will hate America) and anyone would be good by scraping the insane Patriot Act. But Obama has been making an aweful lot of "vote for me and -poof- everything will be magically fixed with the economy" promises. I can't see how Obama can keep his international commitments and come remotely close to fulfilling all his "feel good" social promises. It's as if you guys need someone like Obama internationally, but you need someone with a proven "economic" track record domestically.

But who am I to criticize the US for their political choices. You should see the real winners (barf) up here in Canuckistan.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[bodypilot90 0]

Shouldn't the president know how many states there are?


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To be honest, I'm not really concerned with the candidates' qualifications

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And this my friends is why she voted for Clinton

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Shouldn't the president know how many states there are?

Or how many houses he has

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[MikeForsythe 0]

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The bigger illusion is that a president protects us from terrorism. It is an excellent tool to use on a fearful populace, but far from true.

Please show me where I have used the word "terrorism" or show me where I tried to project fear on anyone. When I stated my reasons, terrorism was not even the reason why. I said what I was afraid of and not what anyone else should be. I stated what my choices were and why.

I know the chain of command and that leadership and confidence goes from the top down, so to say that the president does not protect us or can't be a deterrent is a joke. I personally don’t want someone as the president in these times who might hesitate from having NO command experience either domestically or internationally.

Next time try and not make something up that does not exist or try to instill fear by using what someone else didn't say. And don't ever throw the "terrorism" card up to me or think you know the fear of terrorism more than me. You may have known or lost someone that was at 9/11 or the war but I was at ground zero for 22 days looking for people and cutting body parts out. We had so many people begging our team day after day to find their missing loved ones so don't ever bring that cheap trick “terrorism” card to the play ground.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[Muenkel 0]

Mike,

First, thank you for your service at the WTC. I've heard first hand accounts of what rescue workers went through in the days and months after the attacks. What you did was heroic in my book.

It was me who mentioned knowing 2 victims of 9/11. Bill mentioned knowing victims of the Iraq war.

You suffered, we suffered. Don't compare sufferings with anyone else. They're never equal, they're unique to each individual.

Take care,
Chris

[jenfly00 0]

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So, you trade your country's honor for the illusion of safety. Your choice.

It has nothing to do with honor. The illusion would be on your part if you think that Obama can protect us more than McCain. But I would love to hear how you think he can do that.

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If you are satisfied the directions our country has taken these past few years, McCain is the man for you.

Well, since Obama and the democrats were in charge of congress and did nothing I guess the same can be said about Obama. Did you not read what I wrote?

Yes, I did. You grew old and fearful. You chose the past, I choose hope for our future.

I fully support your right to choose ...but I won't respect it.

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[MikeForsythe 0]

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Yes, I did. You grew old and fearful. You chose the past, I choose hope for our future.

My bad, I guess instead of asking if you read what I wrote I should have written if you understood what I wrote. Please read the highlighted parts below, I AM talking about the future, that of my kids and grandkids!!!

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Then you are not for either party, right? I blame both the horrid Bush administration and the inept democratic controlled congress. To me, both parties are responsible and could have guided us in a better direction. Both parties promised “change” and both failed. If you want to get down to it, “political parties” did not damage America, people did.

I have been a lifelong registered democrat but as you get older sometimes you views change. I am not looking at which party will give me hope anymore, but which people will. “Change”, ah yes, the almighty hope……………..but is it? Change in and of its self is not always good. The question is what do we need to change, polices, people, parties or do we just need to start to use what is already there and not being used?

For me, this election comes down to trust, which person I trust with my children and grandchildren’s future. All the other issues are less important to me. Both candidates have slung the mud and made promises that cannot be kept (that is why they call them politicians).

The bottom line is I do not trust Obama, he scares the hell out of me. I don’t like McCain’s economics but he makes me feel safe at night when I am putting my granddaughter to bed. He has stood guard and protected our freedoms in the past and I trust that he will always do so. In this case I have to take wisdom and experience over youth and enthusiasm.

Also, I did not grow fearful because of getting old, I am fearful of one person that wants to lead our country for the next four years. The reference to getting older was only to express that as you do so, you usually gain life experiences and some form of wisdom (so I hear) that sometimes gives you more insight as to what is and could happen in the future.

I fully support and respect your right to choose too. You do know that you can respect someone’s views without agreeing with them don’t you? Disrespect is never good and generally shows poor character, but then it is one of those things in life that you either have it or you don’t.

Stay safe and be well,
Mike

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[Lucky... 0]

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Seriously.

The way I see it, the past eight years have been shit. Under the present administration, the very principles of this country have been violated. Our country has become one of robber barrons with war for profit and power.

It's time to restore the value of our constitution, stop making policy decisions for big corporations and oil speculators and be a better world neighbor.

I think McCain is a decent man and I have no problem with his VP choice, but it's time for a change. It's time to win back America.

So, I'm not nuts about Obama, but I will not lend my support to the party that so damaged my beautiful America.

It's hard to imagine anyone who values what this country once stood for lending their support to the party leading the past eight years.

Great post.

[MikeForsythe 0]

Chris,

Very good point. In hindsight I am sure Bill did not mean any disrespect about it, so Bill, I apologize for that part of the response.

Stay safe and be well,
Mike

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[Lucky... 0]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then you are not for either party, right? I blame both the horrid Bush administration and the inept democratic controlled congress.


Hello, you been readin the news, the internet, etc over the last 7 1/2 years? The R's have held control of Congress, for most of that time, leading to Bush not vetoing anything for the 1st 5.5 years. Then when the D's got control 1.5 years ago he started vetoing like crazy and they've overriden him 4 times. So your point isssssssss? You have none, we'll see what happens when teh D's get control of the WH and Congress like will likely happen.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To me, both parties are responsible and could have guided us in a better direction.

We have been a debtor nation for at least 170 years, spiking in the times of war predominantly. 19.5 of the last 27.5 yeasr have had a Repub in the WH, the debt was 1 trillion then, now 10 trillion, so it isn't the Dems, it's the R's. I realize you don't care about numbers and facts, it's all about the country is in bad shape since yours took over almost 3 decades ago so let's blame them both.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been a lifelong registered democrat but as you get older sometimes you views change.


I really believe that, list the Dems you've voted for.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Change in and of its self is not always good.


It usually is, unless you're Sweeden or many of the sweet countries over in utopia. Regardless of always good, IT IS NEEDED NOW, HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don’t like McCain’s economics but he makes me feel safe at night when I am putting my granddaughter to bed.


The executive doesn't run the military, so that point doesn't matter. Your granddaughter's biggest enemy is the fiscal health of this nation, the debt. McSame is the most hazzardous candidate to the debt.

Waiting for the list of Dems you've voted for as pres.

[Lucky... 0]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, since Obama and the democrats were in charge of congress and did nothing I guess the same can be said about Obama. Did you not read what I wrote?


They overrode 4 of the like 10 vetoes sent to them, what else do you want?

[Lucky... 0]

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> The illusion would be on your part if you think that Obama can protect us more than McCain.

The bigger illusion is that a president protects us from terrorism. It is an excellent tool to use on a fearful populace, but far from true.

Right, he can make executive decisions, push the proverbial button, but the DOD is self-directing.